Wednesday, February 15, 2012

Barker Grave Sites?

 Above photo shows the sites

Remember the AP article from 2008?  The reporter spoke with retired Inyo County Sheriff's Detective John Little who said that in 1974 Assistant Sheriff Jack Gardiner told him to go up to the Barker Ranch and look for four grave sites within 100 to 150 yards of the ranch house.

Also remember that after Dianne Lake spent 6 months in Patton State Hospital, she came to Big Pine, California to live with Jack Gardiner and his wife as a foster child.  She credits Jack and his wife with deprogramming her and saving her life.

Dianne has never spoken of any knowledge of graves.  But how else would Jack Gardiner know?  Is it possible that Diane has blocked out a lot of her former life just to be able to cope? Some believe that that is a strong possibility.

You may recall that Vern Plumlee and Ed Bailey hooked up with Steve Zabriski at the end of October 1969 up in Portland, Oregon.  They told Zabriski that "Charlie and Clem" were responsible for killing Sharon Tate.  Bailey also said that he had personally seen Charlie shoot a guy in the head with a .45 in a gully behind the Barker Ranch.  Zabriski made a report to Portland PD on November 2nd, 1969.

Virginia Graham and Ronnie Howard were not interviewed about the Susan Atkins confession until November 17th, 1969.  So if Plumlee and Bailey were telling the truth about Manson's connection to the Tate murders over two weeks before Law Enforcement first knew about it, then they must be telling the truth about the murder in the gully behind the Barker Ranch.





21 comments:

Suze said...

I remember seeing this on TV. Debra Tate was involved. They hadn't ID'd any potential graves, though. I think I remember they couldn't get permission to dig.

What's changed?

orwhut said...

As far as I know, Clem had nothing to with killing Sharon Tate. If they got that part wrong maybe they got the part about shooting the guy in the head wrong, too.

leary7 said...

I'm sorry, I know this is incredibly politically incorrect, but if you can't be incorrect on a Manson blog where can you be...
but everytime I see Suze's avatar (is that what you call em?) I have to stifle the impulse to lobby for only topless photos in avatars here. Hey, I am not being sexist, guys too, but I can assure you with my surgery scars and others my chest shot would be the ugliest by far. But it would be in the Manson spirit would it not? Didn't he preach body beautiful and no inhibitions? And think of the buzz it would create on the net - "hey, did you hear of the Manson blog where everyone is shirtless?"
We need more fun here Liz. Maybe a "name that chest" contest where eveyone submits a chest photo and we try to match poster with photo. Yeah, we could do it with legs, or butts, but why not chests - our very own 'Mansonites Gone Wild' spring break.
Sorry, I guess I have moved into the 'dirty old man' phase of my life. Might as well embrace it.

Suze said...

Thank you for the compliment Leary , but that would be a great way to take this blog way way off topic, not to mention getting Liz in trouble. LOL.

At one point Matt had his pic in a speedo. Where did that one go?

Matt said...

Suze, that pic will no longer serve as my avatar. I took way too much teasing. :)

And Leary, I think I entered the dirty old man phase when I was still in diapers.

Panamint Patty said...

eh, boobs are overrated.

leary7 said...

as always, Patty hits it to the moon.

Matt said...

Those aren't boobs, Patty. That's a BUTT!

leary7 said...

I swear I have never been a boob guy, but I have boobs on the brain today. Must be the new meds.
But it got me wondering, whose boobs do we know in the Family? Red and Blue's for sure. And there must be a topless Sadie somewhere. And Gypsy from the porn film she was in. Who else? If Saint was around he would know. But they were all so flat chested- Cappy and Brenda and Ouish and Leslie etc. I always thought it hilarious Charlie wanted to make money dancin topless. Most of em looked like teenage boys.

leary7 said...

"make money" having the girls dance topless....not Charlie dancin topless. brain fart.
can you see Charlie in a Chipendales gig?

leary7 said...

boobs aside though, all the women here are alluring and fetching, as Cary Grant might have said, but Suze really is an extrodinary knockout. She has that Daisy Duke thing going on.
Ah, to be younger, handsomer and richer. And with a cool car.

maxfrost said...

leary7 - You need to watch Inside the Manson Gang. You'll see very good boobage and buttage from Gypsy, Brenda and Country Sue.

HellzBellz said...

This Topic started ,Barker Grave Sites, and look where you are now..... and I love it !!

leary7 said...

hey, I just realized I got my first "second base" at age 13 in the Mt Auburn Cememtary in Cambridge Mass. So I may have some sort of Pavlovian thing about graves and boobs.

toocrowdedinthishouse said...

Around 2008 I saw a very quick blurb on the news, something about the new digging at the Barker Ranch. My ears perked right up and I began to read books about the case (I had not yet dared to read Helter Skelter), practically got sick over the murder photos, and started researching the case online. When I was a child in LA at the time of the murders, the subject was taboo in my parents' home, and I did not know much, other than the frightening and gory basic facts. I was surprised to learn of the Manson link to Topanga, where I spent a great deal of time, and Pacific Palisades (specifically Rustic Canyon). Anyway, this revelation about new bodies to be found was the catalyst for me.

Shak El said...

Bailey (giddenings) is now out of prison and the last I have heard was working for a peace group. He was a poster child at one time for the Anarchist Black Cross as a prisoner of conscience. He wrote an interesting pamphlet on anarchism and mentioned the Hawthorne incident by date but no details in his guerilla war resume.

Panamint Patty said...

Hi Shak, are you saying Larry Bailey now goes by Larry Giddenings?

Shak El said...

http://truthontatelabianca.com/forum/442-larry-giddings-aka-larry-bailey/

Matt said...

From the TOTL Site:

"Officers Frankie Alexander and Randy Benson stopped Randy Joe Williams and Gary Van Pilon on Cherry Street between 4th and 5th avenues. While Officers Benson and Alexander were arresting and handcuffing Williams and Pilon, the second getaway car, a dark brown Mustang, pulled along side Officer Alexander. The driver, later identified as Lawrence Charles Bailey, stuck a gun out the window and shot Officer Alexander twice. Pilon escaped into the vehicle as Bailey tried frantically to drive away. While Bailey's Mustang sat on the hill spinning its wheels on the rain-slicked pavement, Officer Benson drew his service revolver and opened fire, wounding Bailey in the chest. The car finally gained traction and pulled away, but collided with two patrol cars at the intersection of 5th Avenue and Cherry Street. Bailey, regaining control of the Mustang, sped north on 5th Avenue, the wrong way on a one-way street. Pursuing police units forced the Mustang to the curb at 5th Avenue and Pike Street where they took Bailey and Pilon, still wearing Officer Alexander's handcuffs, into custody."

"Law enforcement officials concluded that Artie Ray Baker planned the jailbreak. Baker, Dunne, and Bailey had served time together in the Deuel Vocational Institute near Tracy, California, designed for young violent offenders. And, they were members of a small, heavily armed group of revolutionaries in Humboldt County, called the Wellspring Communion, an offshoot of the Symbionese Liberation Army. This was an organized attempt to free a member of their militant group by any means necessary. As one police officer observed, 'They had enough ammunition to kill every cop in the city.'"

Janson2112 said...

Wow and Vern got out to live his life and Charlie's dumbass is still in jail? Is a movie stars life worth more than a cop? or am I
missing something?

Duane Damage said...

God only knows whats up there. In response to the comment about clem being involved in the Sharon Tate thing, Its been suggested that Charlie and Clem went up to the tate house after the murders were commited. Thats where the cops found a pair of glasses not belonging to anyone in the house.