Saturday, March 17, 2012

NOT Pic Dawson

People have been asking about the photos that The Colonel has seen of Debra Tate with Pic Dawson. Though Patty has never seen those either, here's something interesting to ponder in the meantime. Deb is on the right, on the left is Nastassja Kinski. Bent over is Johnny Crawford who as a boy played Mark McCain on "The Rifleman". In the pool tickling Deb's foot is someone who may have had more tail than Wilt the Stilt Chamberlain, and that's a lot!



Klaus is NOT amused, Ahnold.



Nah. Actually, Patty has read that Nastassja and her father were never close. Neither apparently were Deb and PJ. Were escapades like this the reason for that, or a symptom of it? Certainly nothing was ever the same for the Tate family after August 8, 1969. The more we learn, the more the questions come to mind...Mind if Patty keeps asking them?





21 comments:

Vikess said...

That guy in pool looks to me like Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Matt said...

Vikess said...
That guy in pool looks to me like Arnold Schwarzenegger.


I'm speechless.... LOL! j/k, Vikess...

Vikess said...

:D

Jason said...

Not to be a total idiot, BUT... Is it Arnold? Who is the dude in the other picture? I 'm so confused.

starship said...

N. Kinski would have been seriously young in this picture, no?

toocrowdedinthishouse said...

Maybe this was obvious to everyone else, but, on closer inspection of this photo I just noticed that not a stitch of clothing can be seen on any of the 4 frolickers. Not even a strap.

Panamint Patty said...

Yes, it IS Arnold, and yes, Nastassja would have been very young. But from what Patty understands, Roman had already gotten to her way before this photo was taken. Ew.

POB Mermaid said...

When was this photo taken? Nastassja wasn't even born until 1961...so I'm guess the late 70's?

And I've been a lurker for what seems like ever. Love the info I find here.

POB Mermaid said...

My first post and I make a typo...

maria said...

I have a question and I'm hoping that someone can pick it up in this thread and maybe elaborate thoughts...

There is a picture, fairly recent, of Debra walking hand in hand with Roman's wife, Emmanuelle Seigner, in Paris. I think it was taken around the time of the libel suit that Roman launched against a magazine whose name escapes me right now.

Anyway, my question is this: wouldn't it stand to reason that if Patti had misgivings about Debra and with Alisa and she being close enough for Alisa to contact Roman re: Patti being buried in Sharon's plot, that Roman too would be estranged from Debra?

I don't know if I worded that well or not..just seems odd that he and his family have a relationship with Debra, yet her own family doesn't.

Also, I have watched several interviews with Doris, including her infamous diatribe against Watson in 1990 and she has clearly said every time that Sharon was 8 months pregnant at the time of her murder -- yet in a previous post in another thread on this blog, Alisa insists that Sharon was due end September, beginning October? Even Patti has gone on record confirming she was 8 months pregnant in August 1969.

Don't get me wrong -- I loved Restless Souls, but some things just don't seem to be adding up.

maria said...

I have a question and I'm hoping that someone can pick it up in this thread and maybe elaborate thoughts...

There is a picture, fairly recent, of Debra walking hand in hand with Roman's wife, Emmanuelle Seigner, in Paris. I think it was taken around the time of the libel suit that Roman launched against a magazine whose name escapes me right now.

Anyway, my question is this: wouldn't it stand to reason that if Patti had misgivings about Debra and with Alisa and she being close enough for Alisa to contact Roman re: Patti being buried in Sharon's plot, that Roman too would be estranged from Debra?

I don't know if I worded that well or not..just seems odd that he and his family have a relationship with Debra, yet her own family doesn't.

Also, I have watched several interviews with Doris, including her infamous diatribe against Watson in 1990 and she has clearly said every time that Sharon was 8 months pregnant at the time of her murder -- yet in a previous post in another thread on this blog, Alisa insists that Sharon was due end September, beginning October? Even Patti has gone on record confirming she was 8 months pregnant in August 1969.

Don't get me wrong -- I loved Restless Souls, but some things just don't seem to be adding up.

beauders said...

polanski's birthday is August 18 and he was returning to los angeles for that then shortly after the baby was due. at least tate was 8 months along, but i believe she was due the week after polanski's birthday or two or three weeks after her murder.
further i just bought a midnight globe that claims polanski and debra tate were dating. i've heard rumors of course of debra tate and polanski having sex. it could be true and would explain why the colonel would not be too happy with her.

Jason said...

I am very amazed at Debra's loyalty to Roman. Not only did he cheat on her sister profusely, he admitted he had sex with other girls just days after Sharon's murder. The part in Restless Souls where he grabbed his stuff and bailed, and signed over Sharon's estate to her dad, and let her dad clean up the blood proves to me he is not a stand up guy. It seems like all he did after the murders was pose for pics for Life magazine. And I don't care what anyone says, sodomizing a 13 year old girl makes him a pervert in my book.

Panamint Patty said...

A question that begs to be answered: Where was Roman when this photo was taken? Behind the lens? Just out of its range? Hmmmm.

Panamint Patty said...

Where are Patty's manners - welcome, Mermaid.

POB Mermaid said...

Thank you ever so much, Patty! :)

Janson2112 said...

One of the many many many, questions that go unanswered in this saga is what happened with Debbie Tate to get disowned by the family. Everyone in the family is now gone and unable to explain. I do not know if there are any explanations in Restless Souls, since I havent read it yet, but I wonder if Alissa knows what really happen with this.

Jason said...

I would like to know more about the story with Debra and her father's remains. I keep hearing she hasn't ever buried them? Shouldn't they be buried with Sharon, Doris and Patti?

orwhut said...

I realize I'm posting to a thread that's over a year old but, seeing as how I stumbled onto it, maybe someone else will too.
A light bulb lit when I read Beauders comment above about the midnight globe claim that Roman and Debra were once dating. Way back, before I developed an jnterest in the case, I think I read an article title about Roman and Sharon's kid sister having a relarionship. When I started following the blogs it surprised me that this relationship was not mentioned and I decided my recollection was flawed. Now I suspect I might have read the title to the article Beauders has.

Alabama PI said...

We are on the same path. I could swear I read an article about them dating but through all my research I haven't been able to find any documentation of it.

Alabama PI said...

I could have swarn i read they dated as well but there is nothing documented or at least anymore.