Thursday, May 24, 2012

"New Possible Evidence" in Manson Murders

Breaking news at NBC Los Angeles this evening...

In a letter dated March 19, LAPD Chief Charlie Beck requested "eight hours or so" of audio recordings between attorney Bill Boyd and his then-client Charles "Tex" Watson, according to a U.S. bankruptcy filing.

Watson, the former right-hand man of Charles Manson, is currently serving a life sentence for his involvement in the 1969 Manson Family murders.

Although the LAPD has yet to receive the recordings, police believe the interviews could contain information about unsolved murders.

"The LAPD has information that Mr. Watson discussed additional unsolved murders committed by followers of Charles Manson," Beck wrote.

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Read more at:

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/New-Evidence-Manson-Family-Murders-Audio-Tex-Watson-153819745.html

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29 comments:

Panamint Patty said...

Here we go....WOOT

sunset77 said...

From what I know of Watson, I consider it highly unlikely Mr. Watson would have discussed any unsolved murders with anyone.

Each time I've read Ray Hoekstra's book, I've gotten the impression Watson knew EXACTLY how much info about him was known, and Watson made every deliberate attempt to provide no additional info.

There may be info that is "unknown" in the 8 hours of audio this cop wants, but if it has anything to do with criminal activity I'll be surprised.

Ole J.C. said...

Probably committed by Tex.

orwhut said...

Would a conversation between an attorney and client be allowed in court?

Dilligaf said...

orwhut,

Watson waived his privilege when he signed over the tapes to Hoekstra.

eviliz said...

w00t w00t

orwhut said...

Dilligaf,
Thanks.

AustinAnn74 said...

Didn't somebody named "Larry" write a letter to Sandra "Blue" Good, mentioning a lot of the unsolved murders? In the letter he mentioned that Sadie, Tex, Katie, himself, Clem, ZERO and some others witnessed Charlie shoot some people in the head OUT IN THE DESERT. The letter is on the ZodiacManson connection website. The letter also mentions the Habe girl that was kidnapped, etc. I am surprised nobody has mentioned this letter. A copy of it is clearly shown on that website. He wrote about unsolved murders that they were involved in.

Matt said...

This is going to be an interesting chapter in the ongoing story. Stay tuned, folks...

orwhut said...

AustinAnn74 said... Didn't somebody named "Larry" write a letter to Sandra "Blue" Good,

White Rabbitt??????????

Matt said...

Well, now it has reached MSNBC

Panamint Patty said...

Tex must be shitting himself right about now.

Bee Grass said...

Wonder if in these recordings Tex was talking about murders he witnessed by Charlie and others before the murders he was involved in. I doubt he was going to volunteer anymore information than he had to. But if he talked about murders he witnessed he could use that to show he was too scared of what would happen to him if he didn't do what he was told. He probably knew one day some bodies would be dug up in the desert.

Panamint Patty said...

Huh. Interesting take, Bee.

Panamint Patty said...

WHAT'S ON THEM TAPES????

sunset77 said...

From an old interview on Watson's website:

"It's not easy for me to talk about or read about the actual murders as portrayed in my book Will You Die For Me. The facts of my book were taken from tape recordings I did with my attorney only 4 months after the crime. These recordings were very accurate descriptions of the crime, play-by-play. It's very painful for me as I recall destroying so many lives."

Another factor to consider is if these tapes contained info about unsolved murders and his lawyer hid that info, Boyd could be construed as an accessory to murder. Since Boyd is dead, that's moot, however I doubt a lawyer would have concealed evidence on tape recordings that could have led to him (Boyd) being charged with a crime.

Bee Grass said...

It wasn't Boyd who wrote Watson's book was it? Boyd probably wasn't the only one who had a copy of these. Maybe Boyd was the only one who had original unedited versions of the recordings though. Sure would be nice if these recordings got leaked.

sunset77 said...

It's my understanding that Ray Hoekstra wrote Watson's book. He was a prison chaplin, he died in 1997.

I think I read on Watson's site that Boyd sold his confession to pay for his (Watson's) legal defense. Whether Hoekstra had access to Watson's audio taped confession is unclear.

I must admit I would like to hear the unedited version of those audio tapes myself.

I don't know if the police or public will ever be given access to these tapes or not. Simply because a lawyer dies, I can't see where that would make confessions between Waston and his lawyer available to the police or public especially since Watson is still alive and seeking parole. This is a murky legal situation as is much about this case.

Mrstormsurge said...

Tex waived his right to atty-client privilege for these tapes when he sold the tapes' content

Bee Grass said...

I wonder if someone was shopping these tapes around and word got back to LAPD about what was supposedly on them. Boyd would have had good reason to keep the master recording to himself. But since he is dead who knows who has been and possession of them, and if copies have been made. I wouldn't be shocked if parts or all of the recording started popping up online.

orwhut said...

Since Chaplain Ray Hoekstra never told police about any other murders I doubt any are mentioned on the tapes. If they are, it seems to me that Chaplain Hoekstra, at least thought, the information was protected by clergy penitent privelege.

Bee Grass said...

Thats is if the Chaplain got the full unedited recordings.

orwhut said...

Good point, Bee Grass. So, are the tapes that were sold to the Chaplain the only ones that Tex waved the rights to and are the originals still protected by attorney client privilege?

Suze said...

I guess we'll find out Tuesday?

Aren't attorney/client privilege and clergy/penitent privilege legally exempt anymore? I always thought that you could admit to spying for Al Queda to your attorney or minister and they would never be legally bound to divulge that information. Is that not the case?

Bee Grass said...

I think that if Tex would have talked about murders that was going to happen then they would have had to go to law enforcement about it. But if he talked about murders that had already happened then they would have been covered by attorney privileges...until Tex signed over the rights for his attorney to sell off those recordings. Maybe Boyd told Watson that he would only release portions of these recordings that would not implicate him in any murders that was not already out there and known about. If these recordings do have Tex talking about unsolved murders then he has some explaining to do next time he comes up for parole. Maybe sooner. Born again my ass.

orwhut said...

Bee Grass,
I'm switching back and fourth between this and another group. We're talking about the 'bees knees' over there and its confusing me.

TomG said...

Well, number one, of course they were involved in crimes they never were prosecuted for.....what did you all think, they had a sloppy weekend in August of 1969?

As far as Tex Watson, who is not my favorite person in the world, and I truly try to see the best in everyone of my fellow human beings...

He was a straight, Christian Texas boy who smoked a little weed, didn't want to run track no more....moved to California, smoked a little more weed, got TWISTED! And you're in the game!

From what I've heard about it, drug use leads to additional drug use and sooner, if not later, you are in confrontations with people. Some of them not very nice.

Confrontations lead to showdowns. You stand your ground or you slither away.

So on a hot summer night, our boy is slicing a screen window, and going into the house one leg at a time.

The Good News is.....he's sorry about it now. But Tex could always be whatever he had to be,

Jesse2112 said...

Hah Stabby Tex Sorry?? Me thinks not, the only thing he is sorry about is that he is in jail! Otherwise if he was truly sorry and remorseful there is alot of info he could have come out with by now.

A.C. Fisher Aldag said...

Wow. So much for attorney / client privilege and the right to confidentiality.

Hear that crackling sound? It's the constitution burning.