Wednesday, March 6, 2013

Q&A from Grump




There has been a name that Charlie mentioned at least 2 times that I know of. The name is “Doc Hartman”.

In the Diane Sawyer interview: “I was raised in the judges robe, under Doc Hartman, I’m like his little boy”

In his 1992 Parole hearing: “So I went through the lieutenant there and they brought the guys - the lieutenants and the men that were in uniforms from the dentists office and all the Navy and the doctors from Doc Hartman, they brought them from back east…”

Any idea who or what a Doc Hartman is???





11 comments:

GrumpFromPahrump said...
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starship said...

Not Doc Martens, was it?

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LH said...

Heinz Hartmann maybe?

Hey Grump, did you end up reading the hard copy of Myth of Helter Skelter? Any different from what was on the internet?

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orwhut said...

Charlie had a thing about ego, even writing a song about it, Old Ego is a Too Much Thing.
My guess is that he encountered Doc Hartmann's Ego Psychology in the prison system and incorporated it into his hodge podge philosophy and his rap.

LH said...

Well didn't Hartmann do work on adolescent psychology too? Around the time Charlie would've been at the Training School for Boys? I mean, I'm definitely stretching here but could he (Charlie) just be free associating a name he heard at the time he was a kid in jail and first seeing psychiatrists?

LH said...

Thanks for the heads up on the book too. Not gonna be too quick to pick it up now. Since I can just read it for free on the net. Though I suppose I'll need it for the "collection"...

Lauren Webster said...

Makes sense, as Charlie was constantly talking about Fruedian ideas and if he can't read that well, how would he know about them? The doctor probably believes in Fruedian Pyschology, related it to Charlie and Charlie started believing/preaching.

rfoster1 said...

There was a Doctor Samuel B. Hartman around Columbus, Ohio. He had a huge farm called, obviously, the Hartman Farm that employed a large number of migrant workers. Charlie did move around some through Ohio. You might check it out more. http://www.forgottenoh.com/Hartman/hartman.html