Monday, April 22, 2013

Thoughts on the Tex Tapes


                    So.... What Says Tex? Thoughts on the Tapes.....       

"My Definitive Statement"
  

"I have no knowledge of any murders committed by the Manson family, other than those which have already been prosecuted by the authorities."
 

"I have never personally heard any Manson Family member speak of any bodies being buried at Barker Ranch."
 

Charles Tex Watson- May 2008. (A Prisoner Outreach with Abounding love- Website of Charles "Tex" Watson)

“Bodies Buried?”
 

"This is what CNN asked me when they requested an interview on March 26, 2008. I turned down the phone interview and a visit, but I responded to their questions by mail. I do know that no one had been buried by the Manson Family at Barker Ranch when I fled Manson two weeks before they were arrested on October 10, 1969. The only runaways I knew at Barker Ranch were Stephanie and Kathryn, a.k.a. “Kitty”. As reported above, they were picked up by the California Highway Patrol. There are only two faithful members of the old Manson family left. It stands to reason that if there were bodies buried at Barker Ranch, at least one of the rest would have come forward with reliable information during the past forty years."     

Charles Tex Watson- May 2008. ( A Prisoner Outreach with Abounding love- Website of Charles "Tex" Watson)

Well now we can all stop worrying right?  Tex said in 2008 he knows nothing, and he would never  change his story- would he? He was a man of God by this time, and surely he would not betray his faith and all encompassing love of the lord by telling another lie???  

Hmmm.... On the other hand- maybe we should NOT take him at his word. Tex has always been a self serving and looking out for himself first and foremost type of bastard. What  would he have had to gain by revelaing more than he had to? Personally- I wouldn't put a two and half timer on these tapes revealing didley scadoodle. I think the guy always had the attitude that ultimately it wasn't his fault and that life made him act the way he did, and casued him to wind up in the Circumstances he found himself in. To keep confessing makes him less a compassionate kid and more the monster he really was. I don't think he wanted people to know that, and I am not sure at that point it had sunk in to him yet how he was viewed from the outside. He probably still thought he could play the sympathetic role- hence the initial period when he feigned like he was a mute and dying...  But every once in awhile- I get hope and read something which makes me wonder what if???
 

What if those tapes really do say something? Would Tex really talk?????
 

Here are a few more words from Tex's online Biography (Will you Die for Me?) to ponder:

"Boyd was no cynic. He knew I was guilty and his intent was not to get me off. He simply believed firmly that under our system of justice every person-no matter how obvious his guilt or how horrible his crime-deserves a fair trial."
 

"Bill was a mild, soft-spoken man with glasses, the beginnings of baldness, and a conservative taste in his clothes. He was also, as the next nine months would prove, a tenacious fighter for what he believed was right".

"We had our first meeting the morning after my arrest, in a dingy little upstairs room at the jail, a room which would become very familiar to me over the next nine months. My parents were present, and I continued to insist that I had no idea what the warrant was all about. (Chief Davis had not yet held his press conference-it took place at 2:00 P.M. Los Angeles time.) It was only after they had gone back to Copeville that I called Boyd back and told him that there was one thing that had happened in California-I had been involved in the Tate LaBianca killings. Lawyers, like poker players, need poise - and Bill Boyd handled the moment well. We would need to talk a lot, he said."

              

           Did Tex find someone to admire and trust?  A confidant?  Maybe... Just Maybe....





13 comments:

Panamint Patty said...

Hey, ST. Welcome back.

St. Circumstance said...

:)

Ole J.C. said...

There's no statue of limitations for murder and Watson knows this. From Davis' and Grogan's parole hearings there's enough to indict him for murder in the Shea case. Tex is way too self-serving to even admit other murders in which he may be implicated as an accessory, co-conspirator, or killer.

Quentin said...

Gee, just two?And maybe YOU ARE ONE? SELF SERVING SEEMS IT!!!

rfoster1 said...

I don't trust preachers anymore than I trust politicians.

beauders said...

could you imagine being bill boyd and hearing tex oh ya i killed the people at sharon tate's.

Aaron said...

How come he hasn't been tried for Shea? Maybe the authorities don't believe he was really a part of it. It didn't come up on the actual trial did it?

St. Circumstance said...

Hey Aaron :)

Here is what PATRICK SEQUEIRA, Deputy District Attorney had to offer at Tex's 2011 Parole hearing:


Shorty Shay murder -- Shay was a ranch hand who was murdered after the Tate- LaBianca murders. He was killed and his body was never discovered initially. And the reason he was killed was because they believed he was a snitch and he also had a black wife or girlfriend, and the racist Charles Manson really did not like that. But in any event, two of the individuals -- three individuals were convicted of that murder, Charles Manson, Steve Grogan and Bruce Davis. Many years afterwards, Steve Grogan led authorities to the body, which was recovered. But what is interesting to note too, and this is something that's never been discussed by Mr. Watson that I can tell in any of the documents that I've seen, is that in parole hearings for both Bruce Davis and Steve Grogan, they both indicated that Tex Watson was involved in that murder as well. In fact, on pages 10 through 13 of one of Mr. Davis's parole hearings -- just a second, I'll get it for you. He basically indicates that Shorty Shay was taken out -- they were driving the car with Shorty Shay. And this is from the parole hearing transcript, June 22nd, 1993, pages 10 through 13, and this is page 10, line -- let's see, line 5. I'll just read a couple lines. "Inmate Davis: Well, I was -- I was in the car when Steve Grogan hit Shorty with a pipe wrench. Charles Watson stabbed him. I was in the back seat with Grogan. They took Shorty out. They had to go down a hill to a place and then Shorty Shay was ultimately killed." Mr. Watson, of course, was never prosecuted for that crime because I believe at the time there was insufficient evidence to even charge him with the crime. The body wasn't discovered. The three people that were convicted were the people that basically bragged about the murders and ultimately they were convicted of the Shorty Shay murder.

Aaron said...

Well that's what I am saying. None of this came out during the original trial. There is no statute of limitations. Why isn't Tex charged now?

Aaron said...

And aren't Tex and Bruce still friends? I wouldn't think so after that.

St. Circumstance said...

Not sure why they never charged him at the time outside of what was said by the DDA and the fact that - at the time- Tex was given the death penalty, so maybe they thought " why bother" if they didn't have enough evidence for a slam dunk case and he was toast anyway??

I am not sure how close they are today- but for awhile they were actually running the prison ministry together, and working out of a shared office when the prison chapel was away. After a few complaints from those both inside and out about this arrangement- it was ended...

I believe Bruce met his wife through Tex or some mutual acquaintance during this time period. Pretty sure I read that somewhere.

so yeah they were definitely friends for at least a while while inside...

Aaron said...

I think if I were Tex I would be pretty mad at Bruce for bringing it up in parole hearings.

eviliz said...

Blogger Aaron said...
I think if I were Tex I would be pretty mad at Bruce for bringing it up in parole hearings.

Yup.