Monday, August 10, 2015

Photo ID Help: Garretson

My dearest readers, we would like you to study the following photo and please do let us know if you think the topless, or shall I say shirtless figure on the right in the photo below is one William (Bill) Garretson, who was known as Rudi Altobelli's boytoy caretaker at 10050 Cielo Drive:

Possible Garretson Photo # 1

Now, for comparison, please inspect the authentic photo of William "Bill" Garretson when he was finally released from jail after having been the first suspect of the Tate murders. This photo is the one below. A quick Austin Ann note: the hairless chest seen in photo # 1 seems to be the same as photo # 2. Of course, I could be wrong.....

Totally, 100% authentic Garreston Photo # 2


NOTE: We are not saying it is Garretson, however we do want to hear from our readers to see what y'all think! Ya dig?





96 comments:

JC said...

Nipple placement, navel size and slight treasure trail all look the same. The pictures are small but sure looks like him. What a great find.

58f7f4b8-1dd6-11e4-a6f1-df825d6e9554 said...

Photo #1 is Donny Osmond.

Vermouth Brilliantine said...

Gee whiz, if I looked that good I've have never bothered buying a shirt either.

chatsworth charlie said...

A young Donovan Leitch?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/Donovan_(1965).jpg

MHN said...

I'm almost certain that the two figures on the left of the photos are not the same man. Does that help?

equinox12314 said...

Ann,

You seem to be an expert on men's physiques :):) - like to explain?

From looking at both, I think the guy in the top photo is way taller than WG. He has a longer torso - measuring from armpit to waist.LOL. Also, photo one guy has much darker hair than WG, and it is straighter. I think photo one guy has a larger chin.LOL.

Do you know who the guy on the left is in photo one?

Got to feel sorry for WG because Law Enforcement could have at least given him a pair of shoes and shirt to wear.

black_love_in_space said...

I think it IS ol' Bill G in photo #1!
Discrepancies between the two photos can easily be blamed on hunching and lighting.
Look at the shape of the navel and left nipple....

black_love_in_space said...

I think it IS ol' Bill G in photo #1!
Discrepancies between the two photos can easily be blamed on hunching and lighting.
Look at the shape of the navel and left nipple....

Matt said...

The case of the oblong nipple. It was bound to happen...


Suze said...

I know I can't be the only one that thinks the top pic looks completely gay, can I? Not that there's anything wrong with that!

SusanB said...

I might be wrong ( Im looking at pics on my ph) but Im seeing the same mole/freckle on WG in first and second photo....just below his left shoulder blade as youre looking at him.

SusanB said...

Hi Equinox. The guy on the left? Thats Pat Krenwinkle!

SusanB said...

I mean left COLLARBONE! Sorry.😯

equinox12314 said...

SusanB said...
Hi Equinox. The guy on the left? Thats Pat Krenwinkle!

Susan, LMAO:):)

ziggyosterberg said...



MHN said...

I'm almost certain that the two figures on the left of the photos are not the same man. Does that help?

-----------

Technically, you're right. However, as Jesus said in the book of Matthew, the Lord sees all and knows all. So only he knows for sure.


MHN said...

ziggy - stop stirring! :)

Re the mystery man, I've blown them up and placed them together in one jpeg for comparison purposes, and I just don't know. If I were testifying in court I'd say I can't rule it out but nothing more positive than that.

Pros:

-curly dark hair, swept at the fringe from his left to right
-similar cupids bow, full lips, and marked dimples at corners of mouth
-sharpness of adam's apples very similar
-shoulders of similar build, and similar shadowy hollows under collarbones
-wrists slender and tapering
-shorter than male companion in each image

Cons:

-possible mole below left cheekbone of mysteryman not seen in Garretson pic, though possibly hidden behind curls
-mysteryman has two moles aligned vertically beneath his left boob, and two lower down aligned diagonally beneath his right, as well as another directly above his right nipple. None of these are visible in the garretson pic. Unless they are photographic rather than bodily blemishes...
mysteryman possibly has a fuller, deeper jawline. Garretson's seems to slant up more diagonally, though again the difference in facial expression and photographic angle makes it difficult to be sure.

I don't know. Could be....

Matt said...

BAD ZIGGY! BAD!

HellzBellz said...

@M.H.N..... You FBI ?? CIA ??

MHN said...

Hellzbellz, was it my use of the technical term "left boob" that blew my cover?

AustinAnn74 said...

Equinox, you are right. I am an expert on men's chests....heee heee.....in my opinion, I think it's him.

Mr. Humphrat said...

It looks like Matt and the Colonel to me.

Vermouth Brilliantine said...

That top pic is the gayest thing I've seen on this site since that guy saying he wanted Donald Trump's balls.

It's kinda hot. (The pic, not Trump. Btw, is the blog's US audience aware that 'trump' is slang in the UK for 'fart'? The more you know).

Matt said...

Funny, Hump. Very funny... :)

You know the second pic gives a real sense of Garretson's diminutive stature. I find it amazing the LAPD entertained the idea that he could overpower 5 people, especially Frykowski who was a big guy.


Vermouth Brilliantine said...

And I dunno, the guy in the bottom picture- his face looks different, much more weathered, and hair's curlier. But I imagine being locked up, questioned by the police, and separated from your scented honey-infused hair products could probably have a stressful impact on a man's appearance.

Vermouth Brilliantine said...

And yes, Matt, you could almost call him a 'twink'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeltwSYoxEI

MHN said...

Vermouth - 'the last trump' is also the sky-shattering sound that will herald the rapture and the return of Christ to earth in glory.

It's like you're trying to force me to talk about it again... ;)

Mr. Humphrat said...

Yes the pics look a lot alike to me. Especially chest and belly button. Face and hair very similar, if not as curly. Also the taller man he is snuggling up with reminds me of one or both the guys, who the heck were they going into the court-I think maybe Sandy's husband and friend who had been robbed. Or was another woman's husband. How long has Hlousek been MHN?

Mr. Humphrat said...

Linda's husband

DebS said...

My two cents. The two "Garretson's" look to be about the same age in both pictures but I think that the pants in the top picture did not come into style until much later. The pants that Garretson is wearing in the lower picture are smooth and rather tight fitting, the style in the late 60s. The pants at the top are baggy and have those two pleats that became popular when khaki pants came on the scene.

To hell with the nipples, I went straight to the groin!!!!

Robert Hendrickson said...

The top photo must'a been taken BEFORE Hillary met Bill

equinox12314 said...

Mr. Humphrat said...
It looks like Matt and the Colonel to me.

Yes, it is one of their rare public outings together:)

Mr. Humphrat said...
How long has Hlousek been MHN?

Since he became a cult hero to millions.

equinox12314 said...

DebS said:

"To hell with the nipples, I went straight to the groin!!!!"

Deb, you must be back on the aphrodisiacs. Or is it the heat in California?

DebS said...

Hee, hee, hee! Maybe I should lay off the oysters.....

AustinAnn74 said...

It's Chest Rockwell from Boogie Nights....

goomba said...

Here's a YouTube video with more pictures of Garretson:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYVR318Sf_I

Very strange happy music soundtrack.

Matt said...

Gee, thanks Vermouth. Now I can add twink and power bottom to my already warped vocabulary!

MHN said...

Equinox. You spelled "zero" wrong. And also another word.

MHN said...

Matt, no-one here believes "power bottom" is not already a regular part of your vocabulary.

equinox12314 said...

MHN said...
Equinox. You spelled "zero" wrong. And also another word.

Very subtle, Michael:) I am always very careful when I pronounce the other word you refer to in case it comes out wrong!

Boots said...

He is walking like he was man handled in photo #2

AustinAnn74 said...

Matt, I suppose nobody has noticed the other thing we had discussed the other day, huh? Hmmm. . . . .

Matt said...

I'm pretty sure Suze did.

Fiddy 8 said...

I agree with DebS, those shorts in photo #1 don't look like 60s fashion.

I got a real screename!

MHN said...

AustinAnn - You mean about the blog being Red read? (Ann, I always totally respect and almost always agree with the things you write here, so I genuinely hope you do understand I'm not a Jesus basher, quite the opposite.)

Mr. Humphrat said...

Fiddy 8 you were 58etc etc etc right? Nice new name. Good eye on the fashion Deb. They do look a lot alike. Seems like a lack of hair curls in #1, but people can look different. Also seems like a longer torso in #1. Where was the photo found?

MHN said...

You beat me to it Humph: Ann - what's the story behind the photo?

MHN said...

Fiddy8 - It's a shame; I think '58f7f4b8-1dd6-11e4-a6f1-df825d6e9554' was beautifully evocative.

SusanB said...

Re the guy on the left... Frank Zappa?

AustinAnn74 said...

MHN, no that is not what I was discussing with Matt. It was something about the photo. Thanks, though!

AustinAnn74 said...

Also, about the pants.....Why would the photo have to be the 60s necessarily? Couldn't the photo have been from the 70's maybe? I don't know. I really think it's him, though. That, or it's his doppelgänger. The mole, or large freckle on the upper chest area near nip is what has me doing comparisons....I keep thinking I can see that thing in both photos.

Mr. Humphrat said...

SusanB said: Re the guy on the left... Frank Zappa?
HA! That would be a first-a photo of Frank Zappa where he didn't look sarcastic :)
He looks like one of the guys back in that time my dad would be driving along and see them from behind and say "is that a girl?" and I'd be rolling my eyes. Which reminds me of the scene in Easy Rider in the restaurant where the rednecks are commenting on the longhairs that just walked in. Oh and "Turn the Page" by Bob Segar.

HellzBellz said...

NOT Zappa...NEVER , REALY I mean that....Come on MHN..Back me up here...

HellzBellz said...

But a bit more serious here...I did watch both in other programs and so...(No I am not CIA nor FBI..... LOL )and I came to the technical conclusion that Foto 1 could be a trick,Photoshop, Cut and paste..... Not on Garretson, but the other guy. And looking at te place and position of the richt nipple, because I think they are in Negative. And we all know what happens if you look to the Negative...(Manson Intervew somewhere)But annyway, the nipple is ecactly 21degrees turned from the center of an OVAL !! the both Niplles are turned around its own Center excactly the same. And actually I think it is Richard Nixon wearing a Wigg sold from Tex earlyer on...and false Beard ofcause. He was comming to tell Garretson he didnt have to go to Vietnam... or is this far fedged???

MHN said...

The guy on the left? I don't know much about Zappa to be honest, but that guy's suit is not well fitted, and his tie looks cheap. Surely a major rock star could afford a better suit than that?

HellzBellz said...

Sh!tttt !!! that must be the Wigg BOUGHT from Tex....NOT sold from...sorry guys,forgive me, Our Dutch Secret Service doesnt aply me with a propper degree in the English Language..So I have to order my own Self-Studdy Packet with Discount somewhere on the Internet.

Robert Hendrickson said...

I know this is supposed to be an entertaning POST, but please do this experiment:

Imagine it's August 10th 1969, and YOU are part of the newly assembled
LAPD detective team assigned to solve the TATE house Massacre case.

YOU cops ( all the mansonblog names commenting on this POST )have Garrettson in custody and have just discovered the top photo of HIM.

YOUR comments are those of the "detectives" assigned to the case.

THEN re-read ALL the comments.

NOW - what do YOU think the chances are the LAPD will actually crack the subject CASE correctly?

MHN said...

But Robert, that experiment is predicated on an LAPD detective being as irredeemably knuckle-headed as someone like equinox (for example). KIDDING equinox :)

But seriously, nobody claims the investigation was a masterpiece of police work. If you want to know how flawed it was just re-read Bugliosi's account of the struggle to get the police to show some interest in the gun. (Thankfully Bug's vanity led him to record for posterity the deficiencies of the LAPD's work in order to highlight more strikingly with his own genius.)

Matt said...

Well, shoddy police work isn't relegated to the LAPD, nor is it uncommon. They're human like the rest of us.

A few years ago a long time friend of mine thought she was helping a friend by renting a van for him. What she didn't know was that he used it to transport the body of his wife (yes, he offed her) to a local lake to hide.

The Raleigh police knew she was a friend of the killer (as was I) and included her in the investigation - to the point of a search warrant of her home. At this point she had no idea that Robert was guilty. The receipt for the van rental was in plane sight on her kitchen table because she had no idea it was evidence.

The police executed the warrant, tore her place apart and not one of them looked at the receipt. Police work reminiscent of the LAPD of 1969 (or LASO for that matter).

HellzBellz said...

Wow Matt, quite a story, gives one to think indeed.

@ MHN.... reacting your comment I think well become quite an investigators team..Technicly I mean...LOL !!!

@ Robert Hendrickson, When reading this post I saw 2photos, and was asked as a reader what I thought ? ? I just gave my opinion on that...The rest is just bulshitting around a bit. Sometimes the Serious Mode is somewhat lower ....

Matt said...

Well Ann, not too many people think this looks as gay as you & I do.


AstroCreep said...

I think the top pic looks incredibly loving and gay... However, not knowing the context of the photo it makes it hard for me to say that conclusively. Men don't generally get that close with shirts off in a casual setting. Also, I have no issues with homosexuality. Its's just not my personal cup of tea.

In regards to the police work and Bugliosi, I'm almost complete with the audio book "Restless Souls" and it paints Bugliosi as being somewhat in the dark asking/BEGGING the police for more information and evidence. Did the police investigate like incompetent boobs? Yes I think they did. It seems like PJ Tate's investigation uncovered about as many clues as the LAPD.

equinox12314 said...

Matt said...

"...The Raleigh police knew she was a friend of the killer (as was I) and included her in the investigation"

Really good story Matt. Surprised they didn't pull you in too:)

The Raleigh Police sound like they wouldn't notice if a guy passed them wearing a mask, a stripey jumper and a bag with 'swag' written on it.

equinox12314 said...

MHN said...
But Robert, that experiment is predicated on an LAPD detective being as irredeemably knuckle-headed as someone like equinox (for example). KIDDING equinox :)

Michael,

as we seem to have been on a religious theme recently, I am praying to the Lord for the redemption of your soul. As a (lapsed) Catholic, I am saying ten 'Our Fathers and a 'Hail Mary' for you:)

mrgroove said...

I'm inclined to thinking its WG in both photos. Lots of similarities.

MHN said...

Matt: "not too many people think this looks as gay as you & I do."

Are you kidding? I thought it had gay overtones so blatant it literally went without saying. It's like, nobody commented that both guys had hair, because obviously both guys had hair.

Equinox: lapsing is the best thing about Catholicism isn't it? It's like someone says in Woody Allen's 'Love and Death' - "I never want to marry. I only want to get divorced."

Hellzbellz: it's like a crazy new franchise of CSI!

orwhut said...

equinox12314 said.
The Raleigh Police sound like they wouldn't notice if a guy passed them wearing a mask, a stripey jumper and a bag with 'swag' written on it.

Reminds me of the fruitcakes who "couldn't pour piss out of a boot with the bottom written on it".

AustinAnn74 said...

It's simply a grooming session in photo # 1.
My tuxedo cat reminded me of it just now, as I watched him trying to groom the dog.

Mr. Humphrat said...

"younger than springtime are you!"
"sweeter than music are you!"
"Angel and lover heaven and earth
are YOU TO ME!"
it's not a grooming session
he's just showing him his hangnail.

MHN said...

I especially love the subtle title the jpeg of photo 1 has been given: "garretson_gay"

As soon as I saw that my perception of the photo changed in the twink of an eye.

equinox12314 said...

AustinAnn74 said:

"My tuxedo cat reminded me of it just now, as I watched him trying to groom the dog"

Ann, what kind of things go on in Texas!!! LOL. BTW Your thread has given us the best laugh in ages.

Has it been a deliberate policy on the part of the Admin here not to cover anything go on at the Anniversary. There is usually a number of people who make their way up to Cielo.

Robert Hendrickson said...

Not only does the top photo scream of "gay pride," BUT because the bearded guy is a dead ringer for JC, I thought the very idea of the poster was to transform Jesus bashing into a new and improved wave of Helter Skelter.

Believe it or not Matt, I can beat YOU on the "receipt" issue. An LAPD officer put a "parking ticket" on the windshield of a can parked across the street from my bother-in-law's house in Hollywood. The driver was still sitting up in the driver's seat - with a bullet HOLE in HIS head.

Actually, you could "fairly" say that because the LAPD never even contacted ME, after Merrick was murdered, maybe the ONLY way you could PASS the TEST to become a detective was to FAIL it.

BUT it's kinda like the President trying to sell a DEAL with the Iranians NOT to develop a nuclear bomb. Hey, "shit for brains" THEY had an atomic bomb years ago.

HellzBellz said...

@ Robert Hendrickson sayd : Believe it or not Matt, I can beat YOU on the "receipt" issue. An LAPD officer put a "parking ticket" on the windshield of a can parked across the street from my bother-in-law's house in Hollywood. The driver was still sitting up in the driver's seat - with a bullet HOLE in HIS head

Wow thts realy wors case of stupidness yes... But this was only 1 officer who was at the Rank of ,,Parking Tickets,, its the next one story you write, wich I think is more to worrie,...
Maybe shows that system is/was failing everywhere in USA. But I cannot judge on that fromout Europe where we only have acces to this Info since the Internet... But throughout the years I learned some of the American ways...(you must remember the Robert Dwyer suicide, and most important the story behind this) Owh.....and shit happens all around the world nowadays. it always has.But we now know it faster,more detailed, researcheable....

equinox12314 said...

Robert Hendrickson said:

"An LAPD officer put a "parking ticket" on the windshield of a can parked across the street from my bother-in-law's house in Hollywood. The driver was still sitting up in the driver's seat - with a bullet HOLE in HIS head."

Good old LAPD - where would we be without them.

When Merrick was murdered - did you not consider going along voluntarily to see if you could help. Or was that a case of not putting your head in the lion's mouth unless you have to?

Robert Hendrickson said...

Great question EQ: When I saw Bugliosi on the nightly news walking with Merrick's wife at the funeral, I thought maybe this is the time to NOT go looking for trouble.

AND when Leo Rivers, Merrick's right hand man, told me they had dropped the case after interviewing 60 people (and most all said they were glad he was dead) I knew the matter was NOT something I needed in my life. His last words to me were: "May we never meet again." AND I drove away with a truck loaded with all my film.

TODAY, if questioned by a new breed of cops, I would probably respond with "Try looking in your own backyard. There you will find motive and opportunity."

AustinAnn74 said...

Equinox, honey, I am lucky if I get any kind of posting out, much less an anniversary one. :-) To be perfectly honest, I didn't even realize that it was the 46 anniversary, until yesterday. By then, it was too late. Oh, BTW, cats grooming dogs is nothing new in my household. I don't know about the other parts of Texas, but in Austin, anything goes!!! As we like to say here, "Keep Austin Weird!"

Robert Hendrickson said...

Mr. Bellz, you're raised an interesting issue - the value of the World-Wide internet, especially where the "establishment" has a "message" to broadcast.

This week, here in LA, it is the 50th anniversary of the infamous Watts Riots (a REAL Helter Skelter) AND most all older folks are saying "Nothing has changed."

BUT of course, and NOTHING will ever change for the BLACK people, until another "minority" takes THEIR place.

AND until then, the "establishment" will continue to spend millions of dollars in advertising (settling lawsuits)for KILLING blacks.

Cause it's much cheaper to pay off the surviving family members, than to pay for TV time to get the "message" accross. AND the message is very clear. "Blacks, Browns, and White trash - stay in your cages OR the Zoo keepers are here, there and everywhere - so BEWARE !

I'm even beginning to realize that the Nazi SS may have actually developed this process purpose at the expense of the Jewish people. AND it worked !

THEY obviously got the "message" out !

equinox12314 said...


Robert Hendrickson said:

"... (and most all said they were glad he was dead) I knew the matter was NOT something I needed in my life. His last words to me were: "May we never meet again." AND I drove away with a truck loaded with all my film."

Mr H,

This may be a sensitive subject which you do not wish to put on a public forum, but what was it about this guy that made him so unlikeable? What the hell was wrong with him? BTW, I completely exonerate you from any involvement in his untimely demise:)

HellzBellz said...

@ Mr Hendrickson, maybe not to discuss on this blogg, but I do have a question. From what I know/did read, they (LAPD) were verry sure of who shot your Partner then...(a mental case, someone from his own Inner Circle) And they DID caught the RIGHT man didnt they ?? I dont need details, I only want to know If I did read the right story on the WWW/World-Wide-Wicked-Web......
Regards H.B.

equinox12314 said...

OFF TOPIC

There was a recent thread on Steve McQueen where we discussed Jay Sebring. I was looking at a McQueen Facebook thread and someone has posted a photo of Jay cutting SM's hair on the set of the 'Cincinnati Kid'. Apparently, Sharon had been considered for the Tuesday Weld part. I hadn't seen it before, so apologies to anyone who has done so already.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204832832800485&set=gm.429827003881511&type=1

It was posted by a lady called Lisa Schmiege Shrestha on a public group called 'Steve McQueeen Beautiful'.

ziggyosterberg said...


I should probably get my eyes checked, because these guys (or gays?) don't look alike to me.

The first dude's face reminds me a bit of Brad Davis as Billy Hayes in Midnight Express, especially at the start of the movie when his hair was longer. He also has higher, more rounded cheekbones. Garretson had lower cheekbones and a flat, wide face. From what I've seen of Garretson, his facial features were similar to Lars Ulrich (Metallica drummer and major douchebag).

ziggyosterberg said...


@MHN & @equinox - Roman Catholic here too.

We're in good company on this blog. We've also got Tom the postman and I'm guessing, based on his surname, Joe Esposito. And we can't forget the Colonel. I think Matt may have been Catholic, but as we all know, he converted to Latvian Orthodox for personal reasons.

equinox12314 said...

Ziggyosterberg said:

"...Brad Davis as Billy Hayes in Midnight Express".

Ziggy, that is one film that is forever etched on my mind! It scared the hell out of me on the basis that it is a true story. Turkey wants to join the European Union - not until they get their cruel and unnatural tortures stopped!!

Panamint Patty said...

We did indeed go to Cielo. Patty, Stoner, Channels, Aes Nihil and others. And Stanton LaVey made a guest appearance at El Coyote!

equinox12314 said...

Hi Patty,

That sounds wonderful! Hope you all had a great get-together. Impressive cast that you gathered there!

Robert Hendrickson said...

Bellz, Ziggy, EG: Your questions are great AND first I have to say "Midnight Express" goes way beyond traditional filmmaking.
I just saw it again a month ago and realized that when Brad physically "destroys" the villian of the play, but NOT the nasty guard, the same "rage" was likely present on August 9, 1969.

Merrick was a character probaby like none that YOU have ever personally known. He was a pathalogical LIAR and an out and out THIEF. AND he actually enjoyed causing people harm, especially those who rejected HIM.

That HE and Bugliosi immediately became buddies may have been partly because Vince was immediately dazed by Joan (Merrick's wife).

I'm sure there is a relevant story here, and I have personnaly witnessed some of Merrick's hurtful ways, that even included humiliating HIS own son in front of us.

To my knowledge, I am the only one that found REAL justice in dealing with him, except maybe for the person who killed him.

As I understand it, it was a year or so after he was murdered that one day some guy just walked into the police station and proclaimed HE killed Merrick. Case closed - how conveinient, but for the FACT that Ronnie Howard was also murdered a year later, I cannot forget the timing.

AND Ronnie had spilled everything to Merrick and most likely Joan knows the TRUTH also.

She has been in hiding for seems like forever, BUT maintained a friendship with Vince.

IF you are reading this Joan, maybe it's time to reveal. Don't worry, the cops are probably dribbling on one another in some rest home by now.

Matt said...

It's Macedonian Orthodox, but we need not split hairs.


starship said...

Ah, the LAPD. If AQUARIUS lasts that long and if you're still watching, I have a feeling they will need to kill off the Duchovny character and his hippie sidekick sometime before they egt to August 9, 1969. They're being portrayed as just too competent and clever...

HellzBellz said...

Thanksz for that Insight Mr Hendrickson.

bucpaul2812 said...

WWJD? By the looks of the first photo, William Garretson, by the looks of it.

aMy said...

Late to the party here and so this my have been said but... Huh??! Its got to be him. His chest looks longer in photo 1 because he is wearing his trousers lower than just below his b button as in authentic photo. Also the hair parting- side parted at front! And the same hair in general. Sorry if this already mentioned

Sarah said...

I found this blog through the "Cielo drive" website. I'm trying to understand something with this website - is it manson friendly?. If so why?. Why glorify any of those insane killers?. If I'm wrong- sorry.

AustinAnn74 said...

Sarah, I am one of the posters on this blog and I can say I am so NOT Manson friendly, it's ridiculous. There are a lot of Manson Family-friendly people that comment, though. I get very annoyed with it, but, alas, that's how it is. Glad you are visiting us, however.....

DebS said...

Sarah, we are neither pro-Manson nor anti-Manson. We are pro-truth. We try to present the facts about the case and the people involved. At times that might seem like we favor the Family but there are just as many times that we don't. We also try to fill in some blanks about both the victims and the Family. Welcome to the blog!

Ralph D said...

The man in the top photo is not Bill Garretson. He is taller and has a much longer torso. There are some color photos taken of Bill at Cielo Drive inside the guest house, by the pool, and in front of the main house by the covered wishing well. You can find on the Internet. I'm guessing they were taken by the property owner, the late Rudi Altobelli, a middle aged gay man 19 year old Garretson was living with in the guest house. I wonder if Rudi took any shirtless pics of Bill that have not been published?

Roger Adams said...

I think Garreston was a looker in his day 😉

Droid1058 said...

Bill was definitely a handsome man. He sure looked good shirtless. A smooth buff body with just a treasure trail of hair below the belly button. He was not a big guy but was reportedly "very well endowed". I bet Mr. Altobelli was a happy camper. I'd want Bill to move in with me also.