Monday, January 1, 2018

Bobby Beausoleil in Santa Barbara

Robert Kenneth “Bobby” Beausoleil  was born in Santa Barbara, California on November 6, 1947. The oldest of five children, Bobby might well be the reason for the Beausoleil family to exist; he was born less than seven months after his parents wed in late April of that year.

Record of the marriage of Charles Beausoleil and Arlene Mattox on April 29, 1947. Six and a half months after the nuptials, Robert Kenneth Beausoleil was born. (From the California, County Birth, Marriage, and Death Records, 1830-1980. California Department of Public Health)

During Beausoleil’s first year of life, in 1948, his family lived in a bungalow at 1426 Garden Street. The Santa Barbara city directory for that year listed father Charles as a salesman for the local Petan Dairy Farms. (Here “salesman” means that he drove a milk truck.)         

                                                  1426 Garden Street today                                                    

The next year the family moved a block east to a double-occupancy house at 1429 Laguna Street. The Beausoleils resided there for two years before moving again, this time to another double-occupancy house at 419 1/2 North Soledad Street. Charles was still supporting the family as a salesman for Petan Dairy. (Built in 1934, the house on Soledad had two bedrooms and two bathrooms divided amongst the people living there. Although a lower middle-class residence when the Beausoleils lived there — and even so today — the current Zillow value estimate for the property is $1,119.096, typical of real estate values in Santa Barbara.             

                                                                1429 Laguna Street

                            The former Beausoleil residence at 419 1/2 North Soledad Street                                                                                                                
Still on the move (and with Charles still winning the bread as a milk delivery person for Petan Dairy) the family moved up and spent 1953 and 1954 living in a single-family residence at 1028 Castillo Street. (The home there was torn down and replaced with a small subdivision for seniors in 1987. )

Then, in 1955 and on into the 1980s the Beausoleils lived at 1382 Santa Rita Circle. By now Charles had worked his way up to being a route supervisor for another dairy company, Arden Farms. And he supplemented his income from that job by working part-time as a clerk in a nearby liquor store.

Bobby began attending the Santa Barbara High School. He would have been a member of the class of ’65 but he didn’t make it that far. His picture appears in the 1963 school yearbook as a sophomore, but although he is listed as a student during the next two years he did not graduate and there are no photos of him in the ’64 and ’65 books.

  Bobby Beausoleil as a sophomore in the 1963 
Santa Barbara High School Olive & Gold yearbook

                                                   The Santa Barbara High School today

In a 1998 interview for Seconds Magazine Beausoleil recalled his time growing up in the city that calls itself “the American Riviera.”

“I was born in Santa Barbara, California in 1947, to a couple who were and still are—at least the one of them who is still living—Catholic. I was the first born son, the first of five children. I have two brothers and two sisters. Not a well-to-do family, but we always got by. My dad worked two jobs sometimes to make that happen with such a large family. For most of the years when I was growing up he worked for Arden Farms Dairy—he was milkman, basically, and he became a manager for the company later on. It was a working class family. On the GI Bill my dad bought a tract home in 1955, and that's where I spent most of my years growing up. We had lived in a couple of other houses before that.”

The 1969 Santa Barbara City Directory for Bobby Beausoleil's parents. It shows Bobby's father Charles as a route foreman for the Arden Farms Dairy Company.

Above and below, current views of the home that the Beausoleil family resided in in 1969. 
The house is just a few blocks from Santa Barbara’s Shoreline Park and the Pacific ocean. 
(The second story was added after their residency. )



The Mesa Liquor Store where Charles Beausoleil supplemented the 
family income by working part-time as a clerk in 1959

Beausoleil was always into music. He recalled,

“I’ve always had a fascination for music. The earliest Christmas present that I remember getting was a drum—one of those little toy drums with paper heads and a pair of drumsticks. I was four or five, but I remember that gift, whereas I don't really remember any of the others. And I remember that I beat it to death, there was nothing left of the skins on either side—which was kind of a shame because then it wouldn't work as a drum anymore! After that as I was growing up I remember building these strange instruments, out of wooden crates, sort of jug band type instruments….  and I would play them and just banged the hell out of them. So maybe had I been born one universe over from this one I would have been a drummer. But as it happened I found a guitar in the attic of my grandmother's house when I was about eleven years old….

“My mother could play a couple of songs on the piano, I guess she'd had a few lessons. But other than that there was no real music tradition in my family. My uncle at one point must have played guitar a little bit, since he played me a song that one time. On my father's side, both my grandparents were deaf. Other than singing in the shower, which he did with considerable passion, my father didn't bring any musical ability to my early years, or at least not any musical influence. Most of it was just my listening to the radio…. 

“We had one table radio, but eventually my mom got a hi-fi stereo, one of those console things on which she would play Harry Belafonte and Johnny Mathis records. When she got the stereo I was given the family radio, but up until that point I had a crystal radio that I had built and it had a little earphone, and underneath the blankets I would listen to KISS radio all night. Every third or fourth song they played was a rock song, you had to listen through all these other songs…. 

“Santa Barbara wasn't really a place that was on the cutting edge…. At the time I heard one person characterize it as "a town for the newlywed or nearly dead." When I was first growing up there it was a pretty small town, only a couple of stop lights where the highway went through. Very quaint . . . the wealthy people were up in the hills, the less wealthy were on the flats, down at sea-level. There was Haley Street area, which was the black ghetto, and there were the barrio areas and then the upper crust in the Montecito and Hope Ranch areas, and various strata in between. It was a pretty nice town, and the beach was always great. I loved the ocean, and the mountains weren't too far away. 

“I never really got into [surfing]. I did a lot of body-surfing and swimming. I think probably my life might have gone differently if I had been able to afford a surfboard, but they were kind of spendy back in those days and I never got into it. I wound up in more of a greaser mode—the hair falling down the center of the forehead and the ducktails…. [I was] twelve or thirteen.”

A summer spent with his grandmother in El Monte, California was characteristic of Beausoleil's penchants for music, rebelliousness, and associating with people he found interesting.

“I was visiting my grandmother during the summer in El Monte, in the Los Angeles County area, and made friends with some, I guess, Rockabilly-oriented people. This was a Mexican barrio and a white ghetto, El Monte, with a lot of people from Arkansas and other places who had migrated to California looking for the economic "Grail," and found themselves in this low-rent district, pretty much a shanty town type of environment. I wound up hanging out at this gas station which a friend of mine helped his parents operate. It was a little run-down 76 station. He was about my age, thirteen or fourteen. His parents would spend most of the day in the bar, and he would for the most part run the gas station and we helped him, me and a couple of other guys. We all played guitar, so we spent much of our time sitting on old car seats behind the gas station playing "What I Say" or some stuff that one of the guys brought from Arkansas like "Under the Double Eagle" or "Wildwood Flower," all those kinds of things. I got into where I was picking notes instead of just strumming and I expanded my repertoire in a sense, or my techniques anyway. I had a blast doing that. Then I refused to return to Santa Barbara when it was time to go back to school—I wanted to stay there with my grandmother and hang out with my friends. That lasted for several months past the time I was supposed to have gone back to school . . . and then I got busted. It was just after Christmas and my friends and I went out in one of our homemade jalopies. 

“We were building these cars and we usually took them down to this dry riverbed to race them—none of us were old enough to drive. One night we went out and got crazy and just kind of terrorized the neighborhood. One of the things we did was vandalize a lawn of Christmas decorations. We took all the cardboard reindeer and A hammered them up on the side of a truck van that was out behind the gas station, and turned it into a circus van with reindeer flying across the sides. About two hours later the Sheriff's Dept. pulled into the gas station and there the evidence was, in plain view, and we all got busted. I was sent to L.A. Juvenile Hall and then back to Santa Barbara. To make a long story short, I wound up in a kind of a reform school, a fire camp called Los Prietos, up in the mountains above Santa Barbara. My parents basically said that they couldn't control me any longer.”

Beausoleil later recalled that his out-of-control behavior included "walking my dog without a leash, stolen Christmas tree ornaments, bomb scares, [and] hitchhiking on the freeway.”

Although his rebellious behavior caused some friction with his parents, Beausoleil never rejected them:

“I got along with them okay. I had loving parents, and I had a good family—still do, my dad's dead now but my mom has hung in there with me through all of these years. It wasn't so much a problem with them as with me. I was just a freedom-bound person from when I was very young. I was very independent and the circumstances enhanced that proclivity—I moved out into the garage when I was nine, which was something I wanted to do, rather than share a bedroom with two other brothers, both considerably younger than me. So I built a little room out in the garage, and that gave me a situation where I could pretty much come and go as I pleased. I used to go down to the beach late at night…. I wasn't doing anything criminal, but in the middle of the night I liked to take my dog and go down to the cliff overlooking the ocean, which was just a couple of blocks from where we lived. I'd spend hours down there. Sometimes I would just walk the neighborhood streets at night, and that kind of oriented me to being very independent.” 

Despite his independence in Santa Barbara, Beausoleil was still bored and dissatisfied, and his restlessness got him into enough trouble that he was eventually sent to “reform school,” specifically the Los Prietos Boys Camp located about ten miles north of the city in the Los Padres National Forest.

According to its website, “The Los Prietos Boys Camp program is located on 17 acres in the Los Padres National Forest.  The facility provides a local commitment option for delinquent males between the ages of 13 and 18.  Los Prietos offers a 120 or a 180 day program.  Wards earn their way out of the program based on their participation and behavior.

“The goal of Los Prietos is to return wards to the community as responsible and productive members of society.  Discipline, respect and responsibility are the motto of the facility.  Both programs embrace a zero-gang tolerance philosophy and strive to provide pro-social training, opportunities and life experiences that help to broaden a boy's world view, as well as his attitude toward all community.  The program provides work and vocational training, counseling, drug and alcohol programming, religious and spiritual expression, and promotes volunteer and community work service.”

Above and below, the entry sign at Los Prietos Boys Camp (Is that a black panther 
at the top of the sign?) and a typical barrack.

“My grandmother had cancer, and so when I was visiting her I didn't want to leave her alone—she'd been pretty much discarded by the family—and at least that was part of my rationalization, that I wanted to stay there with her . . .and to be with my friends and learn more about playing guitar, and take the old jalopies down to the riverbed, all those kinds of things. I was having more fun in that little shantytown called El Monte than I was in Santa Barbara, where I really didn't fit because I couldn't afford a surfboard. My parents had four other kids to deal with, and I'd made my own bed so to speak, so my parents let me lay in it and they signed the papers to let me spend some time in Los Prietos Boys School. It actually did a number of things for me. One, I got physically strong—I grew up a lot there. It was a good transition from boyhood to manhood, and it was pretty grueling at times…. 

“[The main issues there were] work, and dealing with a bunch of hard-headed kids. They definitely put a guy through his paces. They had a kind of boot camp training, and they really put you through it. One of the things that you did was to go up on the shale hill and break up the shale and then load it onto a flatbed truck, which would go over a tiny bridge and dump it on the other side of the creek. You asked what you were doing this for, and they would tell you, "We're moving this hill over there, to the other side of the creek." This was something you did, and you spent a lot of hours doing it in the heat. It was not that they were trying to kill us. They were trying to make men out of us. And it did serve that purpose for me…. 

“There was a part of me that resented it—I didn't like being there and I wanted to go home—but at the same time I was getting tougher, and that was good. And I'll tell you the truth though, I didn't really notice it until I got out. I didn't realize how different I had become from other people. It was something that had taken place over a period of ten months or so. There were some changes that took place. I hated having my hair cut short like we had there, and I promptly started growing my hair as soon as I got out. This was pre-Beatles, pre-hippy, it wasn't a fashionable decision at that point….

“I did have an opportunity to play a little guitar when I was there, but it wasn't something that was normally allowed. The way that worked out was that I got into the glee club—there was this guy who was one of the camp counselors, and he wanted to start a glee club. I joined the glee club and after trying to sing a cappella with these guys for awhile, I convinced him that some musical accompaniment would be needed. He had an old guitar in the cabin where he lived and he brought it out, so I got the opportunity to play a few chords along with the glee club songs. The action was so high on this guitar that it was excruciating to play, especially when I'd already lost my calluses. But at least once a week I could grip the neck of a guitar and do a little bit with it….

[Later], I lost my guitar in El Monte—it stayed down there after I got busted, and there was no way to retrieve it. So I didn't have a guitar when I got out. But when I'd been in Los Prietos during the summer months there were fires, and this was a fire camp. We didn't actually go out on the fire lines, but we would follow the path of the fire to put out the smoldering stumps, or during the fire we would sometimes load the liquid fire retardant that the fire planes dropped. We would fill the same planes with grass seed after the fire, for re-seeding. They paid us by the hour and I made quite a bit of money—I had almost $300 by the time I got out. So when I got out I had almost enough money to buy a guitar and pay cash for it. I got a little help from my mom…. 

“The [guitar] I wanted was [costly], although by today's standards it was extremely inexpensive considering what it was: a Les Paul signature SG Gibson, cream white, 3 gold pickups—just a gorgeous guitar, with a nice hard shell case. I paid $269 for it, plus the case, and today that guitar would be worth probably ten grand! So I had this really cool electric guitar and I started going back to Bonnie Langley's [Music Store on State Street] just to have somebody to play with, and because I didn't have my own amplifier yet. I got to play a little bit there, but she wasn't allowing that as openly as she had been before. Also I had evolved and the people I had grown up with had not, I don't know how to describe it any differently than that. I had gone through all this stuff and I didn't fit in…. 

“[And] I would not have stayed [in Santa Barbara] as long as I did were it not that I was afraid of getting busted again. So I tried to mind my P's and Q's and hang in there as long as I could, but I just kept getting more and more distant from myself and the kids in town. By the time I was not even sixteen I was pretty much living with a girl in an apartment, she was about four or five years older than I was…. 

“She was the sister of a friend of mine. We just hit it off. Like I said, I was beyond my years, at least in my attitudes and thinking and how I carried myself. Part of the reason why I left Santa Barbara was that she became too dependent on me, too obsessed with me. So eventually I left and went to stay with my cousin for a little while in Sunland, down on the outskirts of L.A. County. I was headed down a shady path I guess, although not in a criminal sense. My favorite cousin who I had gone to stay with turned out to be kind of a dip. He really didn't take care of his family very well. It's a little embarrassing, but at the same time it's part of the story here—I wound up sleeping with his wife. He left, and I ended up living with her. I got a job at the Travel-Eze Trailer Company, building trailers, supporting his wife and kid, and sleeping in his bed with his wife. And again, she was quite a few years older than I was. I was only sixteen….

“She was working too, we both were. I had no experience doing that, but I grew up in a family where my dad worked two jobs. So as far as understanding a work ethic and supporting a family, I had no problem with that. I just did what came naturally. I've always had the ability to work, to do real work. I kept my job easily enough. Actually I had not quite turned sixteen yet. I had a learner's driving permit, which you're allowed to get at fifteen and I'd doctored it so that I appeared to be sixteen—that had allowed me to get a job at the trailer company, and it also allowed me to drive. I bought a car, a '50 Ford with an Olds engine in it, and a hydromatic transmission. I loved that car! So I was beginning to do adult things. Then my grandmother died, the whole family was notified. Of course I had been very close to my grandmother. I went to the funeral, and it turned into a very ugly situation. My cousin went to my family and told them I was sleeping with his wife. It got really weird. My father was trying to lay down the law all of a sudden and take me home, to make me tow the line. And he'd got one of my uncles backing him up….

“I basically told them all to get fucked, and I took off. I went to Hollywood. “

Thus, Beausoleil was already long gone from the area by the late summer of 1967 when Charles Manson, Mary Brunner, and Lyn Fromme took up temporary residence in a house at 705 Bath Street  in the city.

705 Bath Street. Charles Manson, Mary Brunner, and Lyn Fromme lived here briefly in 1967.

There are some interesting notes of commonality between Bobby Beausoleil and Charles Manson, the significance of which can only be imagined. For one thing, Bobby’s father was named Charles. The maiden names of Manson’s and Beausoleil’s mothers were strikingly similar, Maddox for Manson and Mattox for Beausoleil. Both men had been institutionalized (albeit Manson much more so than Beausoleil). They had a shared residency/experiences in Santa Barbara. And, of course, they both had a keen interest in music.

Driving north out of Los Angeles on Highway 101 on August 5, 1969 after the murder of Gary Hinman would have taken Beausoleil through Santa Barbara and just over a mile away from where his parents then resided. Did he have any thought of seeing them as he passed by? Did he know anybody else in town he could have stayed with? Or was all of that too far in the past? We will never know. We just know that Beausoleil in fact drove straight on up 101 until either he or the car (the deceased Gary Hinman's Fiat) conked out at the top of the long, steep grade going up to the Cuesta Pass three miles north of San Luis Obispo. There he pulled over and went to sleep in the front seat. The next morning California Highway Patrol officer Forrest Humphrey stopped to check the car, and the rest is true-crime history.



28 comments:

Doug Smith said...

Really interesting George - thank you for this detailed timeline of Bobby's time leading from childhood pretty much to The Grass Roots/Mondo Hollywood period. Please keep going if you are willing and able!!!
Cheers

starviego said...

When Bobby was arrested in his car he allegedly had blood stains on his clothing and there was blood on the knife. Kind of a stupid question, but does anybody know if the blood stains were of the same blood type as Gary Hinman's blood? Presumably this would have come out at trial.

----------

El Monte is a name that comes up more than once in the Manson saga. It was the home of Steven Parent, and also the location of the house where Tex was supposed to pick up the drugs but he ran right through, leaving Crowe, Kroner, and others waiting in the car.

Panamint Patty said...

So if Bobby was sleeping with adult women at age fifteen was he a molested child?

starviego said...

Yes, he was:

http://cielodrive.com/bobby-beausoleil-parole-hearing-2016.php
PRESIDING COMMISSIONER LABAHN: On one of your ventures, you were hitchhiking and you were -- you were sexually assaulted. ...And was that while you were running away, or were you just hitchhiking?
INMATE BEAUSOLEIL: I was on my way home.
PRESIDING COMMISSIONER LABAHN: From?
INMATE BEAUSOLEIL: I was on my way home from being -- from living with my grandmother in Los Angeles County, I was in El Monte.

Smill said...

I don't think they tested the blood. I remember reading either an interview or hearing transcript where BB was questioned about the blood. He said it was probably where he cut himself bc he was always using tools and knives.

Jenn said...

Thanks for these pictures, George. Being pretty close to Santa Barbara, I've been meaning to look up those addresses and post pictures of them as I did for San Luis Obispo County, where I live.

El Monte is a nice little bedroom community. I taught at Arroyo High School, where Steven graduated from, in the early 80s.

George Stimson said...

Thanks, Jenn. I liked your San Luis Obispo piece, especially the part about Clapton visiting Jim Gordon.

penny lane said...

Off topic...but I thought some of you might find this interesting ..Trail Went Cold: – Episode 53 – Ronald Hughes http://trailwentcold.com/2018/01/03/the-trail-went-cold-episode-53-ronald-hughes/

starviego said...

Smill said...
"I don't think they tested the blood."

You would think the defense attorneys at his trials would have raised a big stink about it if the detectives couldn't match the blood stains to BB via bloodtype(DNA evidence not having been invented yet).

ps
Does anybody know if the transcripts to his two trials are available somewhere?

AustinAnn74 said...

Okay, BB had just stabbed someone to death, yet....the blood came from cutting himself because he was always using tools & knives?.....uh, okay....

starviego said...

That's why I asked about the bloodtype. It was nine days later when he was caught. How do we know he didn't stab someone else in the interim?

David said...

As to the blood.....

There was blood on BB's T-shirt:

"Francis Turney (Witness- the Granado of LASO): I found traces of blood on the right sleeve and on—close to the hem on the right side of the front."


And on his Levi’s:

"Witness: I found traces of blood. It was on the right leg, if I remember correctly."

But as to both:

"Kanarek: Well, as far as the clothing is concerned, Mr. Turney, would you tell us what tests you ran on the clothing?
Witness: I checked the stains with the benzidine to determine presence of blood.
Q: Did you run any other tests?
A: No, I didn’t.
Q: So you don’t know whether the blood that is on the clothing is human blood or animal blood?
A: No, I don’t."

Peter said...

Interesting that his father was a milkman. After La Bianca, the Family took chocolate milk and cheese from the refrigerator. Both of those items are dairy products made from milk.

Coincidence?

starviego said...

"Traces" That's not a lot. What about the knife? Did they run any tests on it?

David said...

Good post George. I enjoyed it a lot.

David said...

Here you go.....

Q: All right. And after your examination—or, as a result of your examination of the knife marked as People’s 18, did you form any opinion as to whether or not there was blood on the the knife?

[Objection]

A: Yes, I did
Q; And what was that opinion?

[Objection]

A: There was no blood on the knife.

*****
A: I found no blood on the sheath.

You're welcome.

brownrice said...

Good post, George.

Peter said
Interesting that his father was a milkman. After La Bianca, the Family took chocolate milk and cheese from the refrigerator. Both of those items are dairy products made from milk.

Coincidence?


Laugh of the day for sure! Nice one, Towely... I mean Peter.

AustinAnn74 said...

BB stabbed Gary in the chest with a knife.....end of story....

starviego said...

David,

Wow! Thanks for the info. I was under the impression BB had Hinman's blood on the knife, his clothing, and his boots. And now I find out none of it was true.

Is your info from the first BB trial? Do you have a link to it?

David said...

The quotes are from the Manson-Hinman/Shea trial but the evidence should be the same at all of the trials and is at the Davis trial. Turney was the blood evidence expert for LASO for this crime but his role was limited.

Yes, Austin-Ann, BB stabbed Gary Hinman in the chest and killed him. Brunner and confessions convicted BB, Manson et al, not forensics.

Remember blood evidence in 1969 was not used the way we look at DNA evidence today. The primary purpose of blood typing in 1969 was really only to exclude/include suspects: A and B blood at the scene.The victim is A. X is a suspect because he has a cut on his hand. X is type O. It is less likely X is the perpetrator.

Alternatively, it could be used to create a blood trail showing movements at the crime scene. This is how Bugliosi used Granado at that trial- and left us with Sharon Tate on the front porch.

Per his testimony at the Davis trial Turney's only job at the scene was to create the blood trail. Since he had one victim he did not type any of the blood and did not even run the test to determine if it was human. The blood then corroborates Brunner's testimony- fight in the hall and the kitchen over the gun, Hinman hit on the head with the gun several times and then the final attack in the living room and blood on the wall.

However, even if Turney had typed the blood on BB's clothing and let's say it came back as type O+ and Hinman was type O+. All he could reliably say was that Hinman was also type O+ and so are about 35% of all human beings.

Anon said...

I had thought that B.B. made up his last name because if you break it down, in french it translates to Man son.

HellzBellz said...

@ Anon.... Beau-Soleil actualy means Beautyfull Sun

grimtraveller said...

Anon said...

I had thought that B.B. made up his last name because if you break it down, in french it translates to Man son

Bobby Filsdel'homme doesn't sound quite so exotic as Beausoleil !
Bobby's name stood out to me from the moment I first read about him because a]I was doing French at school at the time and b]I lived in a country where the sun shone most of the time and it could get uncomfortably hot so there was nothing beau about that soleil for me !

starviego said...


Does anybody know if the transcripts to his two trials are available somewhere?


The first trial is available on Cielo's site.
It's not dramatic at all. I don't know if it's the full transcript but apart from saying he didn't sleep, Bobby never speaks and until DeCarlo turns up when the prosecution had rested, it doesn't appear that they tried particularly hard to prove Bobby's guilt to any degree. It all just kind of ambles along. It's really odd but perhaps I'm saying that because the Tate/LaBianca trial is just the opposite, the prosecution take the battle to the opposition and go in guns blazing from the kick off.
It's not altogether surprising that 4 members of the jury weren't convinced of Bobby's guilt.
In retrospect, the testimony of witnesses like Glenn Krell, David Katsuyama and Kitty Lutesinger are are the real bombs here ~ though I'm obviously biased in this respect.
It is rather interesting that Bobby has spent a number of years castigating Danny DeCarlo and trying to implicate him firmly in the mechanics of the Hinman murder {even down to positing Susan Atkins as his girlfriend ~ something I've never heard corroborated anywhere else} yet in his recent parole hearings, he says he got into hassles because he was trying to impress the Straight Satans ~ something that came from DeCarlo in that first trial. DeCarlo reckoned Bobby told him what happened because he was trying to impress a biker. Funnily, Al Springer felt Charlie did the same thing with him about the Cielo killings.
As for the 2nd trial transcript, I tried LA County but after a couple of months, they told me they can't locate it. I remember Simon Davis saying that you needed some kind of court order to get it whereas they'll send you the entire TLB transcripts free if you formally request them.

brownrice said...

Anon said...
I had thought that B.B. made up his last name because if you break it down, in french it translates to Man son.


You probably need to learn a bit more French before you get a gig as a translator :-)
Beau means beautiful
soleil means sun

i.e. beautiful sun

AustinAnn74 said...

BB had a major grudge against Danny DeCarlo for testifying against him, and considering the fact that Danny was there, along with everyone else during the planning of the robbery. The last parole hearing transcript I read, BB admitted finally that Danny didn't have anything to do with the crime. Over the years, BB has stated Danny's girlfriend was Susan Atkins, Danny gave him the gun, Danny drove him & the girls to Gary's house, etc.
Bobby would probably have better luck with the parole board if he'd quit acting like its everyone else's fault that he killed that poor man. He also was written up for putting tape over a door jam in one of the guard's offices, while a prison employee saw him doing it, and wrote him a 115 or 128, which, I guess is a big deal in prison. The parole board questioned him about it, and in usual BB style, he made some lame excuse about why he did it and got caught. Tape over a door jam isn't a big deal, if you ask me, but a prisoner doing it is another story. They reamed him over the coals for it, then got extra pissed that he tried to bullshit his way out of it. He said he did it to make it easier to put water in the coffee maker.Ya know, in a way, I feel bad for him, but then again, I can't stand the way he tries to convince everyone that he is the true victim in this whole thing. He forgets Gary is the one who's lying in that coffin, not him.

starviego said...

grimtraveller said...
"As for the 2nd trial transcript, I tried LA County but after a couple of months, they told me they can't locate it. I remember Simon Davis saying that you needed some kind of court order to get it..."

Hmmm.... interesting. Are they trying to cover something up?

David said...

Starviego said: "Hmmm.... interesting. Are they trying to cover something up?"

What on earth could they possibly be covering up from what was once a public trial? The DA needed one witness to convict BB, Manson, Davis and Atkins (pled guilty) for the murder of Gary Hinman: Mary Brunner.

Peter said...

Pressure from the dairy lobby to hush the whole thing up.