tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post1717984780325780561..comments2024-03-28T23:53:16.262-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Ron Hughes: A Look Back at a Remarkable ManMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-26091269859153545382018-05-15T07:56:54.814-04:002018-05-15T07:56:54.814-04:00Interesting that the poster in the background of t...Interesting that the poster in the background of the Halloween photo says "here to do the devil's work."Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08760641498649508874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-53608371512364808262018-03-26T01:37:38.163-04:002018-03-26T01:37:38.163-04:00Hughes was a terrible lawyer lol. When Richard Nix...Hughes was a terrible lawyer lol. When Richard Nixon publicly announced Manson was guilty any competent defense lawyer would have pleaded for a mistrial and by law would have gotten it. It makes one wonderJames1983https://www.blogger.com/profile/00925784259915513959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-24096846248504318352018-03-11T09:32:42.645-04:002018-03-11T09:32:42.645-04:00For those interested there is a copy of "Deat...For those interested there is a copy of "Death To Pigs" by Robert Hendrickson in like new condition starting bid $14.99 on ebay. No it is not mine, but just know it is hard to find so I thought I'd let everyone know. Where is Grim, has he given up on the Manson blogs?beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-37162117090628263672018-03-08T13:44:56.948-05:002018-03-08T13:44:56.948-05:00Blogger cielodrivecom said...
In the missing perso...Blogger cielodrivecom said...<br />In the missing person report, it says Hughes went up with James Forsher and his wife, Yana Forsher. If I’ve learned anything from the Manson saga, it’s to never get in a car with someone going by the name Yana<br /><br />That's weird. <br /><br />Larry Dyer's wife was named Yana. Lawrence Stephen Dyer married Yana M Ferriera Oct. 27, 1970. Their child was born Dec. 14, 1970. That fits with Larry telling Ron Hughes he couldn't go to Sespe because his wife was pregnant.<br /><br />Larry was born Oct. 27, 1950. It seems that Ron Hughes had a history of hanging out with younger people. Larry died Oct. 6, 1995. DebShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093893870315262396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-1672561622510625872018-03-08T08:21:50.617-05:002018-03-08T08:21:50.617-05:00David said...
Van Houten: her conviction turns la...<i>David said...<br /><br />Van Houten: her conviction turns largely on Kasabian's testimony. Reading their cross examination and certain side bar comments I think they truly believed they impeached her testimony. </i><br /><br /><b>Even the highly egocentric Bug was willing to admit Hughes had chinked his star witnesses' armor:<br /><br /><i>"He knew about drugs, misticism, karma, auras, vibrations, and when he questioned Linda about these things, he made her look just a little odd, just a wee bit zingy. He had her admitting that she believed in ESP, that there were times at Spahn when she actually felt she was a witch."</i></b><br /><br />Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-21963908602515909012018-03-07T19:41:16.939-05:002018-03-07T19:41:16.939-05:00And my apology for using Matt's fine post on H...And my apology for using Matt's fine post on Hughs to bring that up. Bobbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10389583431989189659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-11698064724124061372018-03-07T19:14:29.292-05:002018-03-07T19:14:29.292-05:00Hi, if someone could tune in to Netflix for THE PU...Hi, if someone could tune in to Netflix for THE PUSH , supposedly they can do in 90 minutes what Manson did in months. Thanks. Bob.Bobbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10389583431989189659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-25279028057293071002018-03-07T14:44:52.512-05:002018-03-07T14:44:52.512-05:00Starving said: "Did these guys really think t...Starving said: "Did these guys really think they were going to get an acquittal for Krenwinkle and Van Houten? On what evidence?"<br /><br />Krenwinkel: I can't imagine how he could believe that. <br /><br />Van Houten: her conviction turns largely on Kasabian's testimony. Reading their cross examination and certain side bar comments I think they truly believed they impeached her testimony. <br /><br />Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-21219511630697117272018-03-07T13:13:42.489-05:002018-03-07T13:13:42.489-05:00David said...
"He also informs the court tha...David said...<br /> "He also informs the court that at "Lums" on Thursday Hughes was <b>very 'up' and 'optimistic</b> about the case and looking forward to the final phases of the trial."<br /><br />Paul Fitzgerald was also reportedly very depressed by the guilty verdicts when they came in. Did these guys really think they were going to get an acquittal for Krenwinkle and Van Houten? On what evidence? starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-82995873152837918632018-03-07T06:05:56.726-05:002018-03-07T06:05:56.726-05:00Did he have water in his lungs and shit?..Great re...Did he have water in his lungs and shit?..Great read Matt..thanksPenny lanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10401896105440499937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-57859630889276865242018-03-06T20:52:40.872-05:002018-03-06T20:52:40.872-05:00Why doesn't his autopsy reveal his real cause ...Why doesn't his autopsy reveal his real cause of death ? Did he have a heart attacked while on drugs while bopping in the hot springs ? Did a flash flood really transport his heavy body that far and also mostly nude when found ? If he's going to blow some weed or more, why take all his case files with him ? So many questions and all the evidence doesn't line up for me regarding an easy simple answer given his involvement with the MF and trial. Occum's Razor ? Maybe he slipped and hit his head knocking him out while wearing his BVD's in the pool and the storm drowns and washes him away ?Robert Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11931071604173368606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-72717880919808255022018-03-06T19:47:00.545-05:002018-03-06T19:47:00.545-05:00Let's go draftin'. Draftin' our closin...Let's go draftin'. Draftin' our closing. Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08760641498649508874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-72728320934615856102018-03-06T19:44:54.638-05:002018-03-06T19:44:54.638-05:00Early in the morning we'll be startin' out...Early in the morning we'll be startin' out. Some hippies will be coming along.<br />We're loading up our woody with our transcripts inside. And headin' out singing our song.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08760641498649508874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-69901196817815220372018-03-06T18:49:10.669-05:002018-03-06T18:49:10.669-05:00It actually appears he did plan on working on the ...It actually appears he did plan on working on the case while up there as odd as that seems. <br /><br />From the trial transcript: <br /><br />December 3, 1970: Stan Atkinson Channel 4 news appears in chambers. He went up to the hot springs to look for Hughes in a helicopter. He was unsuccessful. He also informs the court that at "Lums" on Thursday Hughes was very 'up' and 'optimistic about the case and looking forward to the final phases of the trial. <br /><br />Then they bring in Van Houten to tell her they are appointing a Keith. She argues rather eloquently that a 'new man' can't speak for her because 'reading is not the same as hearing and seeing'. She wants to represent herself if not Hughes. Denied.<br /><br />That P.M. Maxwell Keith is appointed. <br /><br />December 4th the court reports that sheriff recovered 14 volumes of the trial transcript from a VW near the hot springs with Hughes' name on the covers.<br /><br />December 7th Maxwell Keith starts talking about 'effective assistance of counsel'- how LVH's conviction was overturned.<br /><br />December 21st the trial resumes with Keith's motion for a mistrial. LVH wants a new lawyer. A fracas ensues with the female defendants fighting with the female bailiffs. Manson throws a paper clip at the judge. Atkins hits a bailiff and In the course of this Krenwinkel screams: "We are going to remove you [judge] from the face of the earth."<br /><br />Motion denied. <br />Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-49272615371627053512018-03-06T17:34:10.078-05:002018-03-06T17:34:10.078-05:00Hughes had gotten a handful of tickets because man...Hughes had gotten a handful of tickets because many safety features on his jalopy were broken. He risked jail if he were caught driving it. So, he asked Larry Dyer to go with him. Dyer declined due to his wife's pregnancy. He then turned to the kids, who lived close by. It wasn't weird. He just needed somebody with transportation to agree to go with him.<br /><br /><br />Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-44880411715043837672018-03-06T17:00:35.106-05:002018-03-06T17:00:35.106-05:00Digression
bucpaul sent me this link recently. If...Digression<br /><br />bucpaul sent me this link recently. If you happen to be in London in May you might want to check it out. <br /><br />http://www.miskatonic-london.com/events/no-sense-makes-sense-gurus-cults-murder-and-movies/<br /><br />Now back to your regularly scheduled program. Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-40521349393619959032018-03-06T16:48:06.524-05:002018-03-06T16:48:06.524-05:00Does it seem odd that 35 year old Hughes would go ...Does it seem odd that 35 year old Hughes would go camping with two 17 year olds that aren't his relatives? Maybe back then, it was less creepy. Researching the area, I have found you do have to hike a fair bit (miles) to bask in the actual springs. If he wasn't a hiker, why did he go? I'm with David. Seems he wanted an excuse.Monicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01571929710287716239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-41097985735270973612018-03-06T11:11:00.958-05:002018-03-06T11:11:00.958-05:00I've always wondered whether Hughes intended t...I've always wondered whether Hughes intended to return for the trial. Not as in end his life crap but I have always wondered if he took Manson's comment as either a threat (and thus was getting out of dodge- Sanders claims the lawyers were threatened)- or as a termination of his services. <br /><br />I think it is highly unlikely he could work on his summation out there unless he took some amazing notes during the trial and I have to agree with Matt I can't imagine how he thought he could get back in time for court- or even to a phone. Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-16501884471745759892018-03-06T07:41:19.493-05:002018-03-06T07:41:19.493-05:00Doesn't flash flooding out west often occur hu...Doesn't flash flooding out west often occur hundreds of miles down stream from where the rain actually falls and that's why it's so dangerous because it's so unexpected. Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08760641498649508874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-32963686200254049142018-03-06T06:12:25.601-05:002018-03-06T06:12:25.601-05:00Sespe Creek is rocky and shallow. Under normal cir...Sespe Creek is rocky and shallow. Under normal circumstances there’s no way a man of his size gets washed 7 miles downstream. It happened quickly because of the sudden flash flood that took his life. <br /><br />And no, he wasn’t there for the hike. I’m perplexed that he didn’t elect to go out in the VW with the two kids. Especially since he was 130 miles from home and the recess coming to a close.<br /><br /><br />Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-87684073135992206052018-03-05T20:36:57.633-05:002018-03-05T20:36:57.633-05:00Because Hughes' body was found in the river we...Because Hughes' body was found in the river we assume he fell in or got swept away while attempting to cross it. But I think Ronald was there to bask in the hot springs, not go for a long hike, crossing rivers along the way. Did his companions or the other visitors report having to cross a particularly treacherous river? starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-72647108254866481432018-03-05T19:57:42.076-05:002018-03-05T19:57:42.076-05:00"Like so many other things in the Manson saga..."Like so many other things in the Manson saga, one gets the feeling one isn't getting the full story." Amen. Way solid writeup. Cielo's comment made me laugh. G. Greene-Whytehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16687404262559321867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-65957572008440776172018-03-05T19:55:46.415-05:002018-03-05T19:55:46.415-05:00You know what? If you read Leonard Maltin's e...You know what? If you read Leonard Maltin's entertaining book about the OUR GANG (Little Rascals) he makes a good point. Yes a lot of crazy shit happened with them, ALfalfa shot, Blake a killer, wartime accidents and weird deaths. But it is not a curse- if you followed what, 100 plus kids over 50 years you would have your share of weird shit.<br /><br />With TLB there are all these nooks and crannies of weird shit. But you have to ascertain what matters. Hughes being unfit and unable to outrun water SUCKS but hey, it wasn't anyone associated with Charlie. <br /><br />Otherwise you end up trying to see if PIC Dawson had his name written on the Cielo Drive house. Madness.ColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-19959199847315367792018-03-05T19:47:12.545-05:002018-03-05T19:47:12.545-05:00From the same History Channel source cited earlier...<br />From the same History Channel source cited earlier:<br /><br />Steven Kay: "He(Hughes) was last seen in Sespe Hot Springs, swimming in a natural pool after having taken <b>LSD</b>."<br /><br />It sounds like Kay knows something we don't. Or do you believe he would just make this part up?<br /><br />Like so many other things in the Manson saga, one gets the feeling one isn't getting the full story.starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-20965289648313609152018-03-05T16:56:39.945-05:002018-03-05T16:56:39.945-05:00Hughes died from a flash flood - his fat ass could...Hughes died from a flash flood - his fat ass could not get out. <br /><br />Nice profile thoColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.com