tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post1981347892972314678..comments2024-03-28T23:53:16.262-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Barbara Hoyt tears Lulu a new one!Matthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-71722120041805190862017-05-30T19:19:05.617-04:002017-05-30T19:19:05.617-04:00Met Hoyt in May-June 1969 while attending a photog...Met Hoyt in May-June 1969 while attending a photography seminar in Chatsworth and staying walking distance to Spahn.She was quiet.Charley was dangerous.I gave Shorty rides.Never knew he was murdered till my niece read this blog. I have 3 super 8 cassettes of Spahn. I sold one to CBS during the trial in 1971.Those times were otherworldly.Its so different in 2017.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15388144417463164445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-63363181740403273952017-05-30T19:10:26.024-04:002017-05-30T19:10:26.024-04:00I met Barbara Hoyt briefly at the Spahn Ranch in A...I met Barbara Hoyt briefly at the Spahn Ranch in April 1969.I was attending a photography seminar near Chatsworth.We would stop at Spahn to meet the hippie chicks and hike up the hill. I was a street wise kid from Boston and could tell Charley could get radical.I remember giving rides to Shorty Shea several times.I never knew he was murdered in Aug 1969 till i read Hoyt's account. I do remember the payphone with incoming calls feature.Sadly,I sold my super 8 films of the Family in early 1971 while the trial was on. Those times were otherwordly.Everyone was attuned to the fast paced changes.I am sure Charley would have killed Hoyt. He always wanted 22 ammo and guns.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15388144417463164445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-44728937733846237432016-04-04T17:08:47.386-04:002016-04-04T17:08:47.386-04:00hear hear!! I also do not think they should get o...hear hear!! I also do not think they should get out. Yes, they may be remorseful e.g. Leslie Van Houten but the crimes were so horrific and heinous and cold blooded. Yes in a controlled environment with little else to do some of them have found God and educated themselves. I don't applaud that. Many people not in jail do exactly the same thing without applause. What I don't understand now that LVH's hearing is coming up again this month, these groupie type supporters who try to make them into the heroes and victims of an unjust system!! What the ----!!!!Cybele Moonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10435712093763524754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-2584120533408270112015-01-17T12:21:51.592-05:002015-01-17T12:21:51.592-05:00If her little vacation in Hawaii didn't turn o...If her little vacation in Hawaii didn't turn out the way it did, would we still be hearing from this woman? Let's be real. She's on a 46+ year vendetta because she was a selfish fool and wants to rid herself of the guilt she has over accepting a vacation in exchange for not testifying. I've always felt this way about her and then sure enough, it was confirmed when I found old testimony from her online in which she tried to rid herself of that guilt and makes the claim she was being threatened. That makes zero sense. Were you being threatened or offered vacations? You were too scared to say no to the vacation, but after it backfired in your fat face, you weren't scared to take the witness stand? She is a proven liar too. It's been confirmed long ago that the murder of Shorty happened at least a mile down the road from the ranch and during the day. She claims she heard it take place at night. Based on this, she has absolutely no place butting her nose into LVH parole hearings or anyone else. Is she trying to earn brownie points with Debra Tate out of guilt for finding some fun in the sun a good incentive to not testify against the killers of her sister? She like countless others make the claim that Charlie has a "long reach", yet since 1969 not one person has ever been murdered on the instructions of the evil guru and if she and people like Vincent Bugliosi, Jeff Guinn and others who make the same claim really believed that utter bullshit, they wouldn't be putting themselves out there like this, let along saying it on TV while spewing lies. The fact is, she is a hired victims rights advocate. The most amusing claim is that the first thing Manson asked her when they met was if she was a Beatles fan. She claims Mary and Sandy were arrested buying "Helter Skelter" supplies. She reads from the script a little too much. My guess is, if she isn't a total bullshit artist, she was just a dumb ass who wasn't let in on what was going on and Helter Skelter was used a front or a smoke screen from people who weren't involved in what was going down at that time.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00541210313648614285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-6440319783696204802015-01-06T05:27:30.232-05:002015-01-06T05:27:30.232-05:00Barbara Hoyt was a 17 year old, naive, girl, who r...Barbara Hoyt was a 17 year old, naive, girl, who ran away to oppose her parents. Unfortunately she met up with the "Manson Family" where she found acceptance and freedom to do as she wanted. A spoiled child, probably. On drugs, away from home, experiencing the behavior of people older and more street wise was exciting and made her feel grown up. Did she make a lot of mistakes, yes. Did she perhaps bow to authority after the arrests, perhaps. She has all these years lived with guilt, sadness, attempting to make amends to humanity. God will judge her.We have all made mistakes.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02371089371355029590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-79045336542950884562013-07-15T15:26:24.119-04:002013-07-15T15:26:24.119-04:00at the same time barbara hoyt is as much to blame ...at the same time barbara hoyt is as much to blame as leslie van houst, hoyt did not mention anything at the time only now, why is that?<br /><br />If you were there and suddenly u wanted to get out of it but 2 mad people were stabbing others to death, how do u get out of it without dying yourself from these loonies??Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18170351104825713973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-81362581113905161482013-06-22T05:58:39.456-04:002013-06-22T05:58:39.456-04:00The reason to hate Orcette is not because she test...The reason to hate Orcette is not because she testifies against the killers. Testifying against killers is a GOOD thing.<br />LYING about killers to put yourself in the center of attention helps no one and is a sign of mental illness.ColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-38548637290050009782013-06-21T19:16:27.751-04:002013-06-21T19:16:27.751-04:00Thank you. :-)Thank you. :-)AustinAnn74https://www.blogger.com/profile/06342503212454947554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-38312960888638646862013-06-21T13:43:56.942-04:002013-06-21T13:43:56.942-04:00ha! nice one, Ann.ha! nice one, Ann.Patty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-65481112700794203682013-06-20T23:28:45.787-04:002013-06-20T23:28:45.787-04:00Ruth Ann Moorehouse is still owed a bitch slap by ...Ruth Ann Moorehouse is still owed a bitch slap by one Barbara Hoyt, in my book! AustinAnn74https://www.blogger.com/profile/06342503212454947554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-11819118442190024772013-06-20T22:27:12.008-04:002013-06-20T22:27:12.008-04:00It's now in my Amazon cart. Thanks Patty.It's now in my Amazon cart. Thanks Patty.Doc Sierrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15092659205764422809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-65814832051782241202013-06-20T22:22:50.542-04:002013-06-20T22:22:50.542-04:00Patty just went looking for her BEL books and real...Patty just went looking for her BEL books and realized that she loaned them to MATT. Can Patty have them back? She's got an idea brewin'.<br /><br />Also check out Acid Dreams: The Complete Social History of LSD: The CIA, The Sixties, and Beyond by Lee & ShlainPatty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-69931883708409745752013-06-20T21:36:04.477-04:002013-06-20T21:36:04.477-04:00Thanks Brownrice. They're both in my Amazon ca...Thanks Brownrice. They're both in my Amazon cart ready to buy when I get paid.Doc Sierrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15092659205764422809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-30855901716514662392013-06-20T20:04:50.475-04:002013-06-20T20:04:50.475-04:00"The Brotherhood of Eternal Love" by Dav..."The Brotherhood of Eternal Love" by David May & Stewart Tendlar. There's also a book called "Acid: A new secret history of LSD" by David Black which is worth a look.brownricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13464358994525566519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-56603047358158642822013-06-20T18:18:11.646-04:002013-06-20T18:18:11.646-04:00Hi Patty. By any chance do you know the title or t...Hi Patty. By any chance do you know the title or the author of the British book?Doc Sierrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15092659205764422809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-90773340764153540502013-06-20T10:19:37.217-04:002013-06-20T10:19:37.217-04:00That's a good one! The British book on the sub...That's a good one! The British book on the subject goes into a lot more detail if you end up wanting more.Patty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-51066894510418882422013-06-20T02:17:10.116-04:002013-06-20T02:17:10.116-04:00By the way, Doc, I dig your coined "play-doug...By the way, Doc, I dig your coined "play-dough syndrome."<br /><br />It's an accurate description.<br /><br />At least that's what I heard...Max Frosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06931165830559683001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-2887536768684187152013-06-20T01:30:33.777-04:002013-06-20T01:30:33.777-04:00So, according to your theory, Barbra who, was in H...So, according to your theory, Barbra who, was in Hawaii as a reward for not testifying, was dossed liberally with LSD as insurance that if she changed her mind, or if the police found her, and took her back. She wouldn't make a good witness. I can see how that's possible, and right now, it seems more likely to me than the attempted murder theory. I can also see that, if that was the plan, it backfired miserably.orwhuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14689926449812436866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-73469511098223568642013-06-20T00:55:18.992-04:002013-06-20T00:55:18.992-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.orwhuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14689926449812436866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-56764364819692856962013-06-20T00:45:31.692-04:002013-06-20T00:45:31.692-04:00Thanks Patty. I just went on Amazon and put the bo...Thanks Patty. I just went on Amazon and put the book Orange Sunshine in my wish list......Doc Sierrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15092659205764422809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-44717580056758150792013-06-20T00:39:56.313-04:002013-06-20T00:39:56.313-04:00Hey, doc. BEL means brotherhood of eternal love. P...Hey, doc. BEL means brotherhood of eternal love. Put it in the blog's "search" box, then hit enter. Posts should come up. Its Patty's favorite long shot theory. What if, what if, what if.Patty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-15051527957343496772013-06-20T00:24:59.889-04:002013-06-20T00:24:59.889-04:00The whole "strict vegetarians" thing has...The whole "strict vegetarians" thing has always been exaggerated.<br /><br />Repeat: If they wanted her dead, she would've been.Max Frosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06931165830559683001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-47800638161383894792013-06-19T23:45:58.196-04:002013-06-19T23:45:58.196-04:00"Jobba the Hoyt", classy."Jobba the Hoyt", classy. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02286194080216319019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-8968921080802539392013-06-19T23:08:47.808-04:002013-06-19T23:08:47.808-04:00I never understood the hatred for Barb. It seems l...I never understood the hatred for Barb. It seems like sometimes when someone speaks out against the killers, people get mad at them. <br /><br />If they actually were trying to kill her, who knows. Nobody involved is going to say so. Maybe it was like people have said just to put her out for a while. Maybe to get a point across. You know "snitches will be taken care of" What is strange though, there is always talk about how strict of vegetarians the family was. Now we know Sadie would sneak off for steaks, and Charlie has even said he ate if from time to time, but do you think it's actually true that they were that strict about not eating meat? Ruth was pretty hardcore in the family. Doesn't the fact that it was a hamburger seem odd to anyone? Is it just me?Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13336426655865247753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-39313294543252269222013-06-19T23:07:46.859-04:002013-06-19T23:07:46.859-04:00I never understood the hatred for Barb. It seems l...I never understood the hatred for Barb. It seems like sometimes when someone speaks out against the killers, people get mad at them. <br /><br />If they actually were trying to kill her, who knows. Nobody involved is going to say so. Maybe it was like people have said just to put her out for a while. Maybe to get a point across. You know "snitches will be taken care of" What is strange though, there is always talk about how strict of vegetarians the family was. Now we know Sadie would sneak off for steaks, and Charlie has even said he ate if from time to time, but do you think it's actually true that they were that strict about not eating meat? Ruth was pretty hardcore in the family. Doesn't the fact that it was a hamburger seem odd to anyone? Is it just me?Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13336426655865247753noreply@blogger.com