tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post2979349964081885979..comments2024-03-28T23:53:16.262-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Manson Family Psychology- Fallen Sheep Matthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger76125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-87838053899673888572017-01-09T22:32:46.563-05:002017-01-09T22:32:46.563-05:00I meant Manson Mythos, not Grim Traveler on my pre...I meant Manson Mythos, not Grim Traveler on my previous post.....Doc Sierrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15092659205764422809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-4085139190116636022017-01-09T22:31:15.010-05:002017-01-09T22:31:15.010-05:00Insult me all you want Grim Traveler. Your opinion...Insult me all you want Grim Traveler. Your opinion is about as important in the grand scheme of things as that of a fruit fly. Make no mistake, I'm not the Manson fan, living in the past, wishing I were at Spahn's, and day dreaming about dirty women like you seem to be so go preach to some of your own type because I'm no longer going to give your posts the time of day.....Doc Sierrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15092659205764422809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-79489815622073385112017-01-09T14:00:47.254-05:002017-01-09T14:00:47.254-05:00Doc Sierra said...
I've never met Clem but si... Doc Sierra said...<br /><br /><b>I've never met Clem but since I got over the awe of "The Bug" I've had the impression that the stupid act was for flying under the radar and getting people to underestimate him.....</b><br /><br />I don't. I think he was like any drug sodden 16/17 year old who finds himself in a milieu of very frequent sex, often with older females, very frequent roaming of the psychedelic universe and the influence of a charismatic, older guy and the added influence of a cool cat like Bobby, a solid seeming guy like Bruce, a hip malchick like Little Paul, a mechanically minded guy like Tex and criminal elements like Bill Vance. He didn't possess the necessary stones or maturity to withstand such an onslaught of influence. There's not many of his age that would have. So the Clem we saw until his brain cleared was <i>the</i> true Clem, I suspect. All that time in jail, plus the support of his family, no constant tap of drugs and the eventual shock that hit hit him in realizing that he killed a man, that brought him upright and he began to show that actually, if away from the source, the Family were reachable. Charlie's co~defendants and Linda had already shown that. For the co~defendants, the initial separation wasn't long enough.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-39890953070181116242017-01-09T13:31:39.592-05:002017-01-09T13:31:39.592-05:00Manson Mythos said...
Your critical thinking skil... Manson Mythos said...<br /><br /><b>Your critical thinking skills are that of a fruit fly</b><br /><br />It's interesting that you should have said that back then. You have a tendency to badmouth anyone that doesn't slavishly worship at the altar of Charles the Innocent.....<br />But in reading Nicholas Shreck's "Myth and Reality of an Outlaw Shaman" the first and main thing that struck me across the first 200 pages is how much of his stuff you've just regurgitated at least since I first came across you in the summer of 2015. Honestly, it's as though you've swallowed his book wholesale and allowed its parts to become intrinsically par of you. Suddenly, the whys and wherefores of all your arguments, supposition and ideas make sense and your antagonism towards almost everyone that has a contrary view make even more sense. You've so taken on Shreck's thinking, his unbacked up theorizing and repeat it with gay abandon. One would have to conclude that you didn't apply sterling critical thinking yourself which makes you applying that to St somewhat ironic.<br />By the way, fruit flies are smart; they do what they need to do in order to survive. And we can't get rid of them.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-5376828821476176932016-12-13T02:41:02.081-05:002016-12-13T02:41:02.081-05:00Clem grew up in a working class family close to Sp...Clem grew up in a working class family close to Spahn Ranch. Seems the courts viewed him as stuipiding his way into prison. When the opportunity came to cut a deal, he jumped on it. Can't say I blame him. Robert Hendrickson said here more than once that he perceived Grogan as being quite bright.<br />-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br />I've never met Clem but since I got over the awe of "The Bug" I've had the impression that the stupid act was for flying under the radar and getting people to underestimate him.....Doc Sierrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15092659205764422809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-37170071333316046562016-12-13T02:36:39.119-05:002016-12-13T02:36:39.119-05:00Right off the bat I can think of four people that ...Right off the bat I can think of four people that I've known in the past that fit this.....Doc Sierrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15092659205764422809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-79056730469568520642016-12-03T10:34:37.394-05:002016-12-03T10:34:37.394-05:00I had to delete that last comment because it was t...I had to delete that last comment because it was taken from an article that could still probably be goggled and I don't want to be responsible for outing anyone or causing anyone to be personally located, bothered or contacted. That is not my job or intention.<br /><br /><br />Suffice to say she apparently works for defense attorneys to some extent, including testifying in court - in the case of the article I found- to the insanity of a mother who killed her own young twin girls with a machete style knife... She said the accused mother suffered from psychosis, delusion, insanity and amphetamines abuse.<br /><br /><br /><br />No sense makes sense they keep telling me...<br /><br /> Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-16448282920588310232016-12-03T10:06:26.963-05:002016-12-03T10:06:26.963-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-62849452436621762522016-12-03T09:39:46.583-05:002016-12-03T09:39:46.583-05:00And if life is not ironic enough for you lol
Toda...And if life is not ironic enough for you lol<br /><br />Today Steve Grogan is married to....<br /><br />A Psychologist :) Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-20386460503303507972016-12-03T09:32:08.270-05:002016-12-03T09:32:08.270-05:00Notice in this piece of Testimony Clem starts to s...Notice in this piece of Testimony Clem starts to say he was "Under the impression" before he gives his reasons why Shorty was killed- and then changes to make it sound like he is simply telling his own idea. <br /><br />Who do you think gave Clem and the others this impression?<br /><br /><br /><br />INMATE GROGAN: "I was under the – because Mr. Shea had told the police that we had a stolen car ring. Okay? Well, we spent three days in jail, and we were released. And we didn’t get back none of our property. The pink slips were confiscated – along with our property – to four or five dune buggies that we couldn’t get back from them: the children put into foster homes. And what it really did is made everybody really upset at this guy, because I was led to believe that he was doing it to get us evicted off the ranch, to get us thrown off the ranch. And that was the only place we had to stay at the time. And it was through his actions that he caused us this trouble. I think it’s – you know – excuse me. It goes – you know, it goes – it’s kind of hard for me to talk about this because there are a lot of emotions that I have experienced, guilt and stuff, you know, what I did. But there was, you know, a feeling almost of hatred toward the guy because of what he made us go through, the children and stuff. Like we had held the children in really almost the highest position. They were home delivered and breast fed. It was like – our feeling for the children was really the highest thing we felt. This was mostly the whole reason we was all together, to put the children in a good environment, free from social indoctrinations and stuff, try to raise them as natural as we could. And then to have someone come along and form a false story and have them put in foster homes, it was really a blow to the women and men that were at the place at the time."<br /><br /><br /><br />He doesn't sound retarded,crazy, or unlike any of the other if you ask me. But still all of those people family and authority saw something in him....Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-87095061431095036682016-12-03T08:52:29.019-05:002016-12-03T08:52:29.019-05:00White shadow lol. Holy shi...
Lol. I remember tha...White shadow lol. Holy shi...<br /><br />Lol. I remember that show. A cross between those two guys is actually a good call lol Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-7651463132954631902016-12-03T08:41:04.419-05:002016-12-03T08:41:04.419-05:00Funny you should mention that movie lol. It was pa...Funny you should mention that movie lol. It was partially filmed in Chatsworth at mason park right down the street from Where Spahn Ranch is. In the opening scene you can see the Santa Susana mountains in background when Walter pulls into field. It's my first favorite movie and I went to the field the last time I was in the area. It meant just as much to me as seeing Spahn. Like Spahn it is basically no longer in use but you could still tell it's a baseball field. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-82122501668105243442016-12-03T06:09:31.538-05:002016-12-03T06:09:31.538-05:00Clem grew up in a working class family close to Sp...Clem grew up in a working class family close to Spahn Ranch. Seems the courts viewed him as stuipiding his way into prison. When the opportunity came to cut a deal, he jumped on it. Can't say I blame him. Robert Hendrickson said here more than once that he perceived Grogan as being quite bright.<br /><br /><br />Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-76003750693376332722016-12-03T05:40:43.747-05:002016-12-03T05:40:43.747-05:00ST ,I too find Clem a mystery and I would love to ...ST ,I too find Clem a mystery and I would love to inside story on ..does anyone know if his family had money or friends in high places ? why wasnt he tared with the Manson brush ?..i can feel a conspiracy theory coming on ! Penny lanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10401896105440499937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-83446861425356959482016-12-03T04:32:41.460-05:002016-12-03T04:32:41.460-05:00lol Ziggy ! I was going to make an off colour Pedo...lol Ziggy ! I was going to make an off colour Pedo joke but contained myself ..Good on ya St !Penny lanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10401896105440499937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-44011140968329013122016-12-03T00:09:48.958-05:002016-12-03T00:09:48.958-05:00St Circumstance coaching a kids basketball team?
...<br />St Circumstance coaching a kids basketball team? <br /><br />Anyone else picturing Walter Matthau in "The Bad News Bears"? <br /><br />"The Bad News Bears" meets "The White Shadow".<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-45390796886937689392016-12-02T16:09:22.904-05:002016-12-02T16:09:22.904-05:00Col Scott,
You are right, that comment was misle...Col Scott, <br /><br />You are right, that comment was misleading because I didn't try to explain how conspiracy to commit murder works and all that. I should have done that or not placed that comment. For that I apologize to all. <br /><br />I agree with you if someone is going to make a comment like that I think they really need to explain it and, of course, get it right otherwise they could leave everyone with the impression, for example, that if you lie on the witness stand during a murder trial you too will get executed and that would be misleading. <br /><br />Now, as for this comment: "Please if you must sow dis information do it at your usual Birther sites"<br /><br />You must have me confused with someone else. I did everything I could to help get President Obama elected in 2008 and in 2012. You might want to check your facts before you comment. Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-87799785778147862022016-12-02T15:37:17.211-05:002016-12-02T15:37:17.211-05:00Ya know Clem is really interesting when talking ab...Ya know Clem is really interesting when talking about the Psychology of the Family. Everyone -even a judge thought he had mental challenges. Yet he wound up having a totally productive and even mildly successful life from what I have seen/read. I have seen pictures of him performing with bob Weir and Steve Miller, and know he used to tour with a modestly well known band.<br /><br />It is also interesting that the one who should have been viewed as potentially the most dangerous ( if they really believed he had mental problems) was the one who was able to skate the most on both charges and eventual sentences...<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-14136893375213067642016-12-02T14:04:39.437-05:002016-12-02T14:04:39.437-05:00Dreath
I usually ignore you because it isn't ...Dreath<br /><br />I usually ignore you because it isn't worth the effort.<br /><br />For the avoidance of doubt Charlie was not convicted for being in a car. He was convicted for 9 counts of first degree murder under the theory that he was responsible for coordinating the attacks. <br /><br />Under your theory Clem should be in jail for getting in the car the second night.<br /><br />Please if you must sow dis information do it at your usual Birther sitesColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-83912303490947754352016-12-02T07:35:22.443-05:002016-12-02T07:35:22.443-05:00Thanks Penny, Trilby and everyone as always for th...Thanks Penny, Trilby and everyone as always for the very comments and participation :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-22255226746848255572016-12-02T06:41:42.477-05:002016-12-02T06:41:42.477-05:00Well...who left the gate open ? Cranky pants got i...Well...who left the gate open ? Cranky pants got in..:)and St I really like your posts..:)Penny lanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10401896105440499937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-78985452101282272432016-12-01T21:12:46.011-05:002016-12-01T21:12:46.011-05:00I actually went to a Hillary rally lol I think if ...I actually went to a Hillary rally lol I think if this was a political blog the Blind Sheep title would be more appropriate about Trump Supporters...<br /><br />But I can only debate one topic with this many people at a time :)<br /><br /><br />Col- I think you are right about my thinking and maybe Mythos was as well. I sort of make my mind up and then only look for things that fit in with that. I do write posts that way as I am not a professional writer but want to be interesting.<br /><br />As far as H/S being the "Big Lie" ...<br /><br />You know twice as much as I do about this and everything you say makes sense... <br /><br />But I still have questions and just cant be a sheep<br /><br />:)<br /><br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-26015465184564779512016-12-01T21:10:28.631-05:002016-12-01T21:10:28.631-05:00Col said: "Drugs- sure but Charlie didn't...Col said: "Drugs- sure but Charlie didn't kill anyone ***"<br /><br />He doesn't have to kill anyone to be where he is today. <br /><br />You may not like the laws, lawyers, judges, juries but unless you have some pretty good evidence Manson never got in that car the second night the moment he did a DA straight out of law school could have put him away. Now, if you have that evidence that's something I'd love to see. <br /><br /><br />Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-3349399484700280072016-12-01T20:48:22.177-05:002016-12-01T20:48:22.177-05:00St
I have no desire to smack you down and you are...St<br /><br />I have no desire to smack you down and you are not ignorant. I met you twice and liked you both times.<br /><br />The issue with you is that you think "straight" and do not seem to impart actual evil motives to people in authority.<br /><br />BUG was a mailman stalking, mistress whipping, lying nutjob. Unlike what you wrote above his plans for a book came ONLY after he was exposed and outed as a loon and lose the DA election. They did him a HUGE favor actually.<br /><br />I don't know how you voted, but again people thought TRUMP was on their side. The only way you get that rich is by being a psycho crook- the only way. You can be a lovely psycho crook but you cannot amass that much wealth without being a crook. His fans are now seeing that he is not draining the swamp he is filling it.<br /><br />Sometimes Shit just happened. 48 hours later and Sharon Tate would have never been killed. I believe this 100%ColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-12600880324931684482016-12-01T20:42:43.235-05:002016-12-01T20:42:43.235-05:00Sigh you couldn't just search the only OFFICIA...Sigh you couldn't just search the only OFFICIAL TLB Blog?<br /><br />Short answer to why lie-<br /><br /><br />There is NO other motive other than fantasy that gets Charlie locked up. NONE.<br /><br />Bug has the actual killers- confessions, testimony, forensic evidence. They are all DONE.<br /><br />But if he can get Charlie and make him out to be a fucking demon then BUG becomes the Demon slayer. It is all George and the Dragon shit.<br /><br />Drugs- sure but Charlie didn't kill anyone<br />Payback- sure but Charlie didn't kill anyone<br />Robbery- sure but Charlie didn't kill anyone<br /><br />Black White Civil War wherein Charlie used programming and MADE these kids kill strangers? This makes him a Demon. Bug gets a Demon down and all the glory.<br /><br />Remember- Stovitz et al expected Charlie to walk. Everyone did. Because they had the killers and he didn't kill anyone. Bug wanted Charlie. He lied and told the big lie to get him.<br /><br /><br />Charlie maybe liked Hitler's philosophy I dunno. Telling Hitler's big lie is what BUG did.ColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.com