tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post4305495152558576655..comments2024-03-28T23:53:16.262-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Bloody beam is bafflingMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-19176791507450852822019-07-05T18:20:11.536-04:002019-07-05T18:20:11.536-04:00WRT Manson returning, one should consider that the...WRT Manson returning, one should consider that there had been 7 gunshots, screaming, and a dog barking that the intruders may have told him about. Given this, they might feel lucky to have not been intercepted by the police at the scene, and this would go double for anyone returning to the scene that night.<br /><br />I suppose that the timing is *possible*, but again unlikely; he might have arrived up there at 3 AM perhaps, but how did he enter? Thru the gate by pressing the button, which rings a sort of mission bell when it open or closed? Remember, the wires are down, across the gate, and opening/closing would seem to tangle the loose cable somewhat.<br /><br />Climbed up the slope, like the intruders?<br /><br />When he left, did he press the inside gate button, further tangling the cut cables, and ringing the bell? So let's see: the intruders cut the two cables, climb up the slope, do their dirty work, and Watson presses the inside gate button when he leaves, ringing he bell, which no one heard, but he doesn't know that. Then he d goes back to Spahn, tells Manson all this stuff--and he'd be negligent in not telling about the noises, but who knows?--Manson comes back and if he used the gate to enter and/or exit, that would be a second or third disturbance of the cables and ringing of bells, and Mrs. Chapman, on entering and exiting on the morning of the 9th disturbed the cables yet again.<br /><br />Hmmm...<br /><br />But, no matter. Now Manson's in there, at 3 AM, at the end of a cul de sac, with no escape route other than straight back out, possibly meeting the police on he way in, if they had been summoned? There had been, again, 7 shots, screaming, and a dog barking.<br /><br />Maybe Manson would think this is all right, but would you, were you in his place?shoegazerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14073693271676337152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-6047164127225880682019-07-05T18:00:03.035-04:002019-07-05T18:00:03.035-04:00So far as the mark on the beam that the detective ...So far as the mark on the beam that the detective is pointing to, I've seen the photo before, but have not yet read anything that identifies it as blood. If anyone has a link, this would be appreciated.<br /><br />So far as the location of the rope and the location of the mark, they are indeed on two different supports. The rope is hanging from a large longitudinal support that the cross beams rest on. The mark is on one the cross beams.<br /><br />As to the rope leaving a blood trace, the 1st homicide report says:<br /><br />"Blood on the rope has also been typed as O. Investigating officers did<br />not observe blood on this rope other than that portion which was in<br />contact with the bodies. "<br /><br />This seems to say that there no blood on the rope anywhere near the free length that might be slung over a beam. Therefore, it is unlikely that the mark, if it is blood, came from the rope.<br /><br />The location of the mark, underneath the beam, seems an unlikely place for a suspended rope to leave blood. It would seem much more likely on the top or sides of the beam, but in no case would it be ONLY on the bottom.<br /><br />The mark, if it is blood, seems most likely to have been spatter that was slung centrifigually from a cloth or weapon, or an arterial spurt.shoegazerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14073693271676337152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-78590420169307587662013-05-18T11:32:51.844-04:002013-05-18T11:32:51.844-04:00Any reason the blood from arteries wouldn't ha...Any reason the blood from arteries wouldn't have flown that high? I have seen a man hit an artery and it just hit the ceilingfiona1933https://www.blogger.com/profile/00041216158548547908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-30059643580709473832013-04-09T02:17:48.041-04:002013-04-09T02:17:48.041-04:00It was probably a plug-in desk lamp and they reali...It was probably a plug-in desk lamp and they realized that they needed to see a little bit, yet make it dark enough to scare the crap out of them. Just my guess.danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08731334855706019152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-66083224820476983692013-04-08T12:04:25.380-04:002013-04-08T12:04:25.380-04:00Something else I find baffling, Tex claims he turn...Something else I find baffling, Tex claims he turned the hall light off, he hit the switch with his elbow, this is the hall leading to the bedrooms. When the first police arrived in the morning they noticed that light was on and a desk light in the living room. So who turned the hall light back on ? jimmy Conwayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05077609106287645708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-8952360201281710292013-04-07T23:46:58.824-04:002013-04-07T23:46:58.824-04:00I know there wasn't DNA available in 1969, but...I know there wasn't DNA available in 1969, but couldn't the crime lab have tested the blood on the beam? At least it would indicate blood type.CarolMRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06357698369178272616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-1651488007088416982013-04-07T10:15:20.063-04:002013-04-07T10:15:20.063-04:00Why does hw admit actually stabbing, but denies th...Why does hw admit actually stabbing, but denies the rope? It doesn't make it any less horrifying!! Tex should quit wasting his time appearing before a parole board. They will never let him out. Never! AustinAnn74https://www.blogger.com/profile/06342503212454947554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-66090978786097571322013-04-07T06:40:45.925-04:002013-04-07T06:40:45.925-04:00They go on to say that Watson re read his book and...They go on to say that Watson re read his book and remembers a rope around the necks of Sharon and Jay. Does he need to check his book to remember what he done ?jimmy Conwayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05077609106287645708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-11566799945558942122013-04-06T20:33:53.462-04:002013-04-06T20:33:53.462-04:00No conspiracy theory intended. It was probably ar...No conspiracy theory intended. It was probably artistic licence.danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08731334855706019152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-53447913775004174462013-04-06T20:03:22.713-04:002013-04-06T20:03:22.713-04:00I find it difficult to believe that Tex no longer ...I find it difficult to believe that Tex no longer recalls a rope. That seems very hard to believe that a person could forget that detail.<br /><br />Professorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07063361215917072895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-19949352445744635182013-04-06T11:01:23.796-04:002013-04-06T11:01:23.796-04:00Could Tex have got blood on his hands after killin...Could Tex have got blood on his hands after killing Steve and when he picked the rope up got blood on it then ?jimmy Conwayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05077609106287645708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-77382452555789165102013-04-06T09:43:47.906-04:002013-04-06T09:43:47.906-04:00I just noticed your profile photo, Deb. I LOVE it!...I just noticed your profile photo, Deb. I LOVE it! I don't think my cat could fit in a taco, maybe a burrito though. Nice!!AustinAnn74https://www.blogger.com/profile/06342503212454947554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-87180381716011039602013-04-06T08:52:36.503-04:002013-04-06T08:52:36.503-04:00Yes, he decided not to talk to the parole board, w...Yes, he decided not to talk to the parole board, when they were discussing his life crime his lawyer made a statement and said that he doesn't recall a rope. jimmy Conwayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05077609106287645708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-16921677563451911292013-04-05T21:20:42.846-04:002013-04-05T21:20:42.846-04:00That picture is really bugging me. Why is the bloo...That picture is really bugging me. Why is the blood only underneath the beam? Also, why would there have been blood on the rope, if they tied them up first? Ahhh. Those photos clearly aren't adding up with the supposed sequence of events. I wonder if a blood spatter expert could study all the crime scene photos to determine what happened? Where is Dexter when you need him? AustinAnn74https://www.blogger.com/profile/06342503212454947554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-25876164680806215732013-04-05T21:01:24.956-04:002013-04-05T21:01:24.956-04:00Really? I found a youtube video where he actually ...Really? I found a youtube video where he actually says something about following Manson's instructions, and gathering everything, including a rope. A true mentiroso!!AustinAnn74https://www.blogger.com/profile/06342503212454947554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-85748242520486692712013-04-05T20:29:02.351-04:002013-04-05T20:29:02.351-04:00Wild stabbing sounds right.
I've never unders...Wild stabbing sounds right.<br /><br />I've never understood the part in Sanders' book where he says that Sebring, Sharon and Abigail struggled and begged for their lives after Jay had been shot and left for dead.danielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08731334855706019152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-32127505764987905572013-04-05T20:17:23.428-04:002013-04-05T20:17:23.428-04:00Im back to being totally lost again trying to figu...Im back to being totally lost again trying to figure this out...<br /><br />have a great weekend all lol<br /><br />maybe by monday I will have the motiveSt. Circumstancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15415891591944887206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-80395867509810289562013-04-05T20:13:38.084-04:002013-04-05T20:13:38.084-04:00ooops
:)
I guess I missed that last partooops<br /><br />:)<br /><br />I guess I missed that last partSt. Circumstancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15415891591944887206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-81812102536525628712013-04-05T20:11:53.716-04:002013-04-05T20:11:53.716-04:00ok I thought I solved the whole goddamn case lol
...ok I thought I solved the whole goddamn case lol<br /><br />St. Circumstancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15415891591944887206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-9067516767376036362013-04-05T20:05:24.620-04:002013-04-05T20:05:24.620-04:00Saint, step away from the bong! What you are sayi...Saint, step away from the bong! What you are saying is basically what Ann is questioning in her last paragraph of the post.....DebShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093893870315262396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-4805225672081400122013-04-05T19:39:38.453-04:002013-04-05T19:39:38.453-04:00Stoner as I am- I have looked at this enough times...Stoner as I am- I have looked at this enough times to see there is a descrepency here in these photos..<br /><br />Maybe there was some doctoring of the crime scene. But not what we thought- hard to explain this.<br /><br />Maybe it wasn't Charlie going back, and maybe it was law enforcement covering up for what they perceived as mistakes or sloppy steps in the initial investigation?<br /><br />or maybe this means didley skadoo in the big scheme of things<br /><br />BUT- these photos don't tell a true story because the blood stain isn't where the rope was hanging by their own photos... or they were even sloppier when photographing their own crime scene and allowed it to be moved and snapped pics in the wrong place??<br /><br />either way- like everything else- if you know for sure some of it isn't true- you cant believe for sure any of it is true until its proven...<br /><br />which proves exactly what ??<br /><br />lolSt. Circumstancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15415891591944887206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-70065700754922242632013-04-05T19:24:45.417-04:002013-04-05T19:24:45.417-04:00the blood stain in the third pic
( which he ...the blood stain in the third pic <br /><br />( which he is pointing to close up in the second pic)<br /><br />is not in the same area the rope is hanging around in the first pic...<br /><br />in the first pic the rope is hanging from the beam which is closest to wall- in the third pic he is pointing to beam with one more crossbeam in between it ( and closer to) and the wall...<br /><br />I thinkSt. Circumstancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15415891591944887206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-82002182279599551012013-04-05T19:20:34.776-04:002013-04-05T19:20:34.776-04:00Everyone look at this closely again!!!
count the ...Everyone look at this closely again!!!<br /><br />count the crossbeams from the wall<br /><br />he isn't standing under the same area of beam when he is pointing-<br /><br /> as the area of beam the rope is hanging from in the first pic<br /><br />???? am I that stoned as I keep staring and staring at this....<br /><br />In the fist pic the beam with the rope is almost all the way against the wall....<br /><br />in the third pic it is more in the middle of the room<br /><br />no?St. Circumstancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15415891591944887206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-7455746966769360222013-04-05T19:03:26.888-04:002013-04-05T19:03:26.888-04:00What puzzles me is that it does indeed look more l...What puzzles me is that it does indeed look more like a smear - possibly from the rope - than a cast-off blood splatter. BUT, I can't imagine any scenario in which a bloody rope leaves a clear smear on the underside of a beam, but nothing at all on the side of that same beam. The laws of physics and probability suggest that we <i>might</i> expect to see such a rope smear only on the <i>top</i> of the beam, or on the top and the sides - but how is it possible for there to be a rope smear ONLY on the underside? Did the rope defy gravity somehow, or ... or what?MHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765688604319832245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-3724329652809574792013-04-05T13:34:42.039-04:002013-04-05T13:34:42.039-04:00I am a true believer Manson and co. went back. Peo...I am a true believer Manson and co. went back. People say Manson was a smart criminal, suave, kept away from the scenes, et al. BULLDUNG.<br /><br />Manson made so many stupid mistakes in these killings like putting himself at the LaBianca's home. That alone shows Manson wasn't smart enough to stay away from the scenes. <br /><br />Then supposedly Manson was at the Shea and Hinman scenes.<br /><br />So, Manson going back doesn't sound unlikely because of one thing: paranoia. Paranoid that Tex and co. left way too much evidence behind.<br /><br />Also, I go with Jay bleeding onto the rope that tied him over the beam. <br /><br />You know, my thoughts is that Tex, Sadie and Katie recall VERY little. That they took the stories fed to them and pieced it together for themselves, to help themselves understand.<br /><br />Tex has told about 6 different versions that I know of and I am convinced that he believed every one to be true. <br /><br />Look at the LaBianca scene; Tex for instance says he carved WAR on Leno. But Katie said she did (at one time). Why; because that info was fed to her and she used it to piece it together. I bet Katie or Tex doesn't remember who carved WAR.Cuntry Trashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05721594982194464895noreply@blogger.com