tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post4756329961696943549..comments2024-03-27T21:24:06.590-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: The Grump's Book Report: The Manson File: Myth and Reality of an Outlaw Shaman by Nikolas SchreckMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-70024105349934087022012-11-20T17:25:19.521-05:002012-11-20T17:25:19.521-05:00Wow Grumb thanks for the book report I actually ju...Wow Grumb thanks for the book report I actually just ordered the original version the MANSON file from 1988 wish I'd seen your review 1st always a little hesitant dropping $75 bucks on a BookAjerseydevilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02307773867621679673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-22188556554497779082012-06-18T01:20:28.149-04:002012-06-18T01:20:28.149-04:00I would be rather skeptical of a work bearing the ...I would be rather skeptical of a work bearing the title "Outlaw Shaman". Manson was, is not, and never will be shaman.ResGestaehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10133884431694481456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-20057527239936775652012-06-04T12:00:47.420-04:002012-06-04T12:00:47.420-04:00Also in "Charles Manson Now" by M. Maryn...Also in "Charles Manson Now" by M. Marynick, Charlie talks briefly about the CarradinesZarathustrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03907383838992128918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-70159385308050046662012-06-03T20:55:23.601-04:002012-06-03T20:55:23.601-04:00I have to agree with Liz on this one. Yet more gra...I have to agree with Liz on this one. Yet more grasping at straws with the drug burn theory...and now implicating Rosemary LaBianca?martinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05465394939297846732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-90662863770743628852012-06-02T16:10:51.587-04:002012-06-02T16:10:51.587-04:00eviliz said...
Maybe your thinking Jay did the de...eviliz said...<br /><br />Maybe your thinking Jay did the deal while Sharon was out of Cielo?<br /><br />Liz - i wasn't thinking anything. Just relating what it says in the book...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-14702868064228930692012-06-01T23:58:17.503-04:002012-06-01T23:58:17.503-04:00Aug 8 1969 - Rosteau makes a delivery of $20,000 w...Aug 8 1969 - Rosteau makes a delivery of $20,000 worth of cocaine and mescaline to Jay at Cielo Drive. A large amount of LSD was also expected, however the LSD supplier (who owned a dress shop) was out of town till the next day. Rosemary‘s name is never mentioned, but it would have to be her..<br /><br />I find it very hard to believe Jay<br />(or anyone) would do a $20,000<br />drug deal at someone elses home and not their own.<br /><br />Sharon was supose to have been fed up with Gibby & Voytek's drug use/dealing at Cielo. She wanted them out. Why would she allow Jay to make drug deals at Cielo?<br />NOT becuase he was her ex boyfriend.<br />Maybe your thinking Jay did the deal while Sharon was out of Cielo? I doubt Jay would of disrespected Sharon that way.evilizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07666335721618878816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-56710439796867749142012-05-31T16:24:51.644-04:002012-05-31T16:24:51.644-04:00Matt said...
Grump, exactly how is he related...Matt said...<br /><br /> Grump, exactly how is he related to the Carradines?<br /><br />All I remember is a footnote that says this. It was on his mother's side.<br /><br />I told you ... Lot's of information in the bookAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-69722902631783037592012-05-31T15:34:37.566-04:002012-05-31T15:34:37.566-04:00Related to the Carradines!
As far as I know no one...Related to the Carradines!<br />As far as I know no one has tried to pin John's and David's deaths on Charlie and Bruce. I wonder when they'll get around to it.orwhuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14689926449812436866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-43345297473680579712012-05-31T15:10:59.493-04:002012-05-31T15:10:59.493-04:00Grump, exactly how is he related to the Carradines...Grump, exactly how is he related to the Carradines?Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-61330254384734278142012-05-31T15:07:52.238-04:002012-05-31T15:07:52.238-04:00It also says in the book that Charlie is related t...It also says in the book that Charlie is related to the Carradines, John and DavidAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-21224267214082418312012-05-31T15:06:27.469-04:002012-05-31T15:06:27.469-04:00I recall saying a few of these things a few times ...I recall saying a few of these things a few times in a few forums, before reading this.A.C. Fisher Aldaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09037549489100226097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-73887338378348659762012-05-31T15:05:11.215-04:002012-05-31T15:05:11.215-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.dbryanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05020940169098415055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-28841873442566704662012-05-31T14:36:33.383-04:002012-05-31T14:36:33.383-04:00But Matt how could even Bug have juggled presentin...But Matt how could even Bug have juggled presenting Manson AND Watson to the same jury?<br /><br />"Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, to my left the man who commited roughly 95% of the carnage on those two nights, and to my right the guy who, erm, talked him into doing it."<br /><br />Who would the focus of the trial fallen on?<br /><br />Without Tex and with Sadie protected in exchange for giving evidence, all Bug had was a guy who was never at the scene at the time anyone was killed, and two girls - one of which was a relatively minor player.<br />By trumping up Manson's involvement, Bug was able to sensationalise the trial and give certain factions in the media and the Establishment what they had been praying for - a way to destroy the hippie movement.<br /><br />Would the jury have been so willing to accept Charles Manson as the ultimate face of evil if they could have looked into the eyes of Tex Watson in the flesh?<br /><br />Did Bug pull a classic misdirection which stopped people from asking "What reasons/motives could Tex have had for killing those people?"<br /><br />Phew long post...adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01933298225285078484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-40360528367859039472012-05-31T14:36:11.498-04:002012-05-31T14:36:11.498-04:00Well if Rolling Stone didn't publish an off th...Well if Rolling Stone didn't publish an off the record interview with Aaron Stovitz, it's likely none of us would've ever heard about Helter Skelter.cielodrivecomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03535091266830414644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-42269191444751133892012-05-31T13:26:21.526-04:002012-05-31T13:26:21.526-04:00Really good thought, Adam. I still think he would ...Really good thought, Adam. I still think he would have. A prosecutor rarely gets an opportunity like VB did - to prosecute a trial of the century. Without CM & HS it would have just been drugged-up hippies on a murder spree.<br /><br />What likely WOULD have been different was the trial itself. Deep down I don't think Watson would have behaved like the girls did. He might have changed those dynamics.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-54105876389317868832012-05-31T13:18:32.964-04:002012-05-31T13:18:32.964-04:00Everyone with an interest in this case needs to as...Everyone with an interest in this case needs to ask themselves one question - "If The Bug had been able to extract Tex Watson from Texas to stand trial with the others, would he have ever gone after Manson like he did?"adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01933298225285078484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-30206504059597619062012-05-31T12:34:24.185-04:002012-05-31T12:34:24.185-04:00The evolution of TLB beliefs is a fascinating stud...The evolution of TLB beliefs is a fascinating study. Most of the world still believes in Helter Skelter, that the killings were orchastrated by Manson to start a race war.<br />However, most serious students of the event discount HS (or loathe it as in the Col's case) and so look for other causes and motives.<br />I, like many others, have/had concluded that it was "killing for killing sake" - i.e., that Manson just got fed up, snapped and lashed out. More specifically that Charlie, believing he was on the hook for killing Crowe, wanted a level playing field with the rest of the Family and set out to get their hands dirty too.<br />This stuff with the Grump...Mafia and drug burns and such requires a whole other leap into a new pool. I went through this with the JFK assassination and it lead to one of my most cherished beliefs - that dissonance causes apathy. That is when there are so many 'versions of the truth' most people just shut down and don't give a shit anymore - few enjoy brain or info overload.<br />900 pages!!! That is a whole lot of information. And clearly allot of it is highly plausible stuff.<br />The Col rails against the fact that most people don't want to jump into the deep end and wade through all this stuff, instead they accept the Bug's fairy tale.<br />But to me that is like railing against the wind. Very few folk have the energy or interest in wading though everything TLB as the Grump has done.<br />Kudos to him. Great job. And Matt too.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-627876829984696902012-05-31T12:01:14.946-04:002012-05-31T12:01:14.946-04:00Thank you Grumpy! xxThank you Grumpy! xxPatty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-9664871215304193112012-05-31T11:32:57.404-04:002012-05-31T11:32:57.404-04:00Thanks Grump.Thanks Grump.sbuch113https://www.blogger.com/profile/01794368422535955408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-22405048246292119982012-05-31T08:45:09.021-04:002012-05-31T08:45:09.021-04:00These relevations seem more pausible than the Helt...These relevations seem more pausible than the Helter Skelter theory, but does the authour offer any facts or just theories and statements??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-61671893320270918352012-05-31T07:31:24.882-04:002012-05-31T07:31:24.882-04:00Good book report. The grump gets an A.Good book report. The grump gets an A.orwhuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14689926449812436866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-30957633851632562422012-05-31T07:30:11.448-04:002012-05-31T07:30:11.448-04:00Some of these 'facts', make at least as mu...Some of these 'facts', make at least as much sence as what we've been reading for years. Someone must be telling the truth. I wonder who it is.orwhuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14689926449812436866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-17357149846307974742012-05-31T06:40:13.653-04:002012-05-31T06:40:13.653-04:00Thanks Grump!
Just ordered it. Can't wait!Thanks Grump!<br /><br />Just ordered it. Can't wait!Schalke 07https://www.blogger.com/profile/15670147371463830172noreply@blogger.com