tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post5842053870275782976..comments2024-03-18T15:40:57.986-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Goodbye Helter Skelter: Chapters Seventeen through Nineteen (The End)Matthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger75125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-21977088105940278952015-04-04T09:46:59.700-04:002015-04-04T09:46:59.700-04:00I am, and thank you. I am, and thank you. George Stimsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01335003151229883480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-75669023007838592992015-03-31T09:57:55.703-04:002015-03-31T09:57:55.703-04:00I hope Mr. Stimson is still reading this. I am on ...I hope Mr. Stimson is still reading this. I am on the Real Motive chapter and I have to say you do a very good job.Mr. Humphrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02574243483977353223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-31236332160839791832015-03-27T06:21:00.334-04:002015-03-27T06:21:00.334-04:00Robert, I just realised I maybe misunderstood you....Robert, I just realised I maybe misunderstood you. Maybe you were asking me, again if there was a gun at his head (maybe the same one Squeaky tried to blast at Ford, stolen from his Presidential museum...), what he would choose if forced- Republican or Democrat!<br /><br />If THAT was the question, I have no idea. The workings of the Reps and Dems are beyond my feeble attempts at comprehension, so figuring out which could be a fit for everyone's favourite 'Symbol of Evil' is beyond me tbh. I would like to see Manson attend a major Republican or Democratic convention, though. The mental image of him sitting on a folding chair amidst a vast sea of people in suits and polo shirts is just as appealing as that of Hunter Thompson at the narcotics' officers' convention in Vegas.Guida Diehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06881861444442344243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-53692009702796362632015-03-27T06:10:10.504-04:002015-03-27T06:10:10.504-04:00Hi Robert:
"Vermouth: From what you know, wh...Hi Robert:<br /><br />"Vermouth: From what you know, what political catagory do you think Manson would be affiliated with - IF he was a voter ?"<br /><br />Well, we both know he would never vote. :) I dislike Manson on a personal level (as much as you can personally dislike someone you've never met, I mean) but I acknowledge he is intelligent. Intelligent enough to know the democratic political machinery in most Western countries is farcical. Maybe it was originally set up with good intentions but it now mainly exists to give an illusion of popular control and to legitimise measures made by elites & various interest groups which disenfranchise most average schlubs (we're all "people alongside the road" now, as Manson himself said in his testimony). <br /><br />If you put a gun to his head (didn't someone say that's where political power comes from?) to force him to fill out a ballot, I'm guessing he'd probably hold his nose and vote for one of the many minor environmentalist or National Socialist/'Nazi'/White Power parties in the US. As I've said before I think Manson is a National Socialist by natural inclination, but I'm not going to explain in detail why unless someone really genuinely wants to hear my reasoning- partly because it's not the point of this thread (Patty's review & George's book are, sorry to both of you for diverging) and I have a tendency to ramble a lot on this subject. Most people here also probably already think Manson, if any of his beliefs are actually genuine (always a chance he is a narcissist staging the ultimate put-on, an epic decades-long self-serving real-life troll), is some kind of White-Power-hippy anyway, doubt they need my analysis to provide evidence for the obvious! :)<br /><br />"The subject of Ethnic "purity" is now becoming a reverse reaction to the "remove ALL borders" movement. The Euro-dollar is only the beginning, as one day, we will ALL simply be: PEOPLE !"<br /><br />I'd say 'consumers' even more than 'people'! Citizenship, ethnicity, nationality, all becoming irrelevant as borders are made porous to facilitate vast population shifts- which coincidentally helps erode all those pesky cultures, traditions & communities which were getting in the way of generating $$$. When your ability to scan barcodes as a mindless store drone is going to be your defining identifying trait in the future, then raci(al)sm, tribalism, xenophobia are kind of natural reactions.Guida Diehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06881861444442344243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-28149586349880091262015-03-26T19:17:13.571-04:002015-03-26T19:17:13.571-04:00I gotta say that Mr. Stimson - who I could not dis...I gotta say that Mr. Stimson - who I could not disagree with more by the way lol - has been a very "Stand Up Guy" honestly answering some tough questions... It gives us all a chance to see that it does happen. It wasn't just a book or movie. Capable people will go that way both then and now. I respect honesty in any and all cases. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-65386657401722362262015-03-26T18:47:01.498-04:002015-03-26T18:47:01.498-04:00Going by the dictionary definition of racism (&quo...Going by the dictionary definition of racism ("The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others" - American Heritage Dictionary), I'd say that he could very well be considered to be a racist. George Stimsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01335003151229883480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-53403198256330425982015-03-26T17:15:10.107-04:002015-03-26T17:15:10.107-04:00candy, that is a form of racism. racism does not h...candy, that is a form of racism. racism does not have to mean hatred of other races, it can simply be a consciousness, a way of thinking about race. Charlie IS a racist if Patty understood Georges book correctly.Patty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-48777370281870337132015-03-26T16:20:44.876-04:002015-03-26T16:20:44.876-04:00bobby i am referring to racism ie hating other rac...bobby i am referring to racism ie hating other races one can strive to keep bloodlines together and not hate other races it is kinda like arranged marriages type of concept if you will but thanks for the response<br />candy and nutshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01871828104812368464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-53524211320849002312015-03-26T11:06:28.060-04:002015-03-26T11:06:28.060-04:00Sorry the spaces were an accident. :)Sorry the spaces were an accident. :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-90628107968421667542015-03-26T11:03:56.209-04:002015-03-26T11:03:56.209-04:00Thanks Mr. H. I would love to have a beer with Mar...Thanks Mr. H. I would love to have a beer with Mark Ross and ask some questions. <br /><br />I also fee like, after watching Inside the Manson Gang, that Juann Flynn was closer to the family than we read in most places. <br />They were mesmerizing Documentaries!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-14740438234269464402015-03-26T10:30:52.481-04:002015-03-26T10:30:52.481-04:00Good one ST. And what a story HE could tell. I fi...Good one ST. And what a story HE could tell. I finally met him again, after 40 years, at one of the CineFamily "MANSON" showings a couple of years ago. Actually there are a few who could tell much, BUT the INTERNET has made it STUPID for the TRUTH to be told.<br /><br />Vermouth: From what you know, what political catagory do you think Manson would be affiliated with - IF he was a voter ?<br /><br />The subject of Ethnic "purity" is now becoming a reverse reaction to the "remove ALL borders" movement. The Euro-dollar is only the beginning, as one day, we will ALL simply be: PEOPLE !<br /><br />Dr. Dave - I think Manson would be stupified to realize just how much HE has become an ICON. I'm sure Jesus would be blown-away at all the fuss being made over him - IF he could come back to earth AGAIIN. OR maybe HE did "come-back" and realized "I'm not getting mixed up in that kind of drama again."<br /><br />Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-39640828276048741012015-03-25T23:52:39.652-04:002015-03-25T23:52:39.652-04:00I redacted the name because the person was never c...I redacted the name because the person was never charged with the crime. George Stimsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01335003151229883480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-63831142947940981932015-03-25T23:46:18.790-04:002015-03-25T23:46:18.790-04:00Humphrat, that is intriguing to Patty as well.Humphrat, that is intriguing to Patty as well.Patty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-275423445974792142015-03-25T23:29:11.417-04:002015-03-25T23:29:11.417-04:00Mr Stimson, are the name or names redacted from th...Mr Stimson, are the name or names redacted from the Shorty story for the reason that they were not prosecuted/cut a deal with the DA? Or was there any other reason one or more people present remain anonymous? Do you know how many others were there?Mr. Humphrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02574243483977353223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-70078675764635383152015-03-25T22:34:03.088-04:002015-03-25T22:34:03.088-04:00I was surprised to read in this book Manson admitt...I was surprised to read in this book Manson admitting involvement in Shorty's murder. He said he cut him, handed the weapon to Bruce and told him to do it.Mr. Humphrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02574243483977353223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-53633168881480656132015-03-25T22:26:49.552-04:002015-03-25T22:26:49.552-04:00There were some oo-ee-oos, Vermouth, but I left th...There were some oo-ee-oos, Vermouth, but I left them out of the book.George Stimsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01335003151229883480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-78206777001819410272015-03-25T21:36:44.035-04:002015-03-25T21:36:44.035-04:00Thankyou so much Robert, you don't know how mu...Thankyou so much Robert, you don't know how much your comments brightened my day. :)<br /><br />I do think I see your point about America's future, the way an entitled mindset creates so many avenues for the government to extend itself and its methods of control, surveillance, repression. Tbh though I might still be misunderstanding, I am not American and so many of the things I know about that country and its present state I get from discussion blogs like this- mainstream media provides a pretty skewed picture. <br /><br />This blog's emphasis on Manson gives a really unique way of learning about modern America, I think, partly why I keep coming back. We all know Manson now is seen as a symbol for the death of the counterculture ideal (at least in its 'peaceful' incarnation), & our shared passion here for that era in general also encompasses things like Vietnam & Watergate- also seen as symbols for the death of American idealism & optimism. And I see the death of those sentiments reflected in the comments of posters here, their complete suspicion & cynicism of their government (also reflected through aspects of the Manson case, like frustration with the feds/law holding back vital info i.e. the Tex tapes), it brings everything full circle. I don't just learn about Manson, hippies, the 60s, drugs, the BEL, I learn a lot about the contemporary state of the US and how all those things from the 60s played a part in making the US what it is NOW. It's very eye-opening.<br /><br />Anyway, I'm rambling and again diverging from the point- which is Stimson's book. I haven't read it. I probably will. But I CERTAINLY will if it contains some 'oo-ee-oo's', those should be essential inclusions in any Manson book imo.Guida Diehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06881861444442344243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-39232512741915903922015-03-25T20:09:52.310-04:002015-03-25T20:09:52.310-04:00You don't see a difference in those two things...You don't see a difference in those two things? Vince slipping media stories to the jury is something that you think could've happened. While Charlie showing the Nixon headline, people witnessed happen. Regardless, I'm still failing to see how Manson helped himself in any way during any of his murder trials. CieloDrive.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03772677089227025942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-37218708552288047062015-03-25T19:51:32.605-04:002015-03-25T19:51:32.605-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.CieloDrive.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03772677089227025942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-4073806059975727042015-03-25T19:16:42.918-04:002015-03-25T19:16:42.918-04:00Nixon's comment killed him in the public eye, ...Nixon's comment killed him in the public eye, but he was already dead there. Charlie showing them should have gotten him a retrial and let's not kid ourselves and believe that jury wasn't being exposed to stuff. That rumpkin bug was slipping the media stories, so I'm sure stuff was slipping in those places the jury were heldAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-17250062252945896002015-03-25T17:53:43.985-04:002015-03-25T17:53:43.985-04:00I think Pope is referring to "The Killing of ...I think Pope is referring to "The Killing of Sharon Tate" and "5 to Die". <br /><br />Rationalize it all you want, but no one did more damage to Charlie's case than Charlie. You mentioned Nixon's comment. Who informed the jury about that one?CieloDrive.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03772677089227025942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-53014014011715261422015-03-25T17:04:18.020-04:002015-03-25T17:04:18.020-04:00Undergarment Pup said...
Had a "confession&q...<i>Undergarment Pup said...<br /><br />Had a "confession" published in the paper that some shyster copyrighted and then sold as a book while the trial was underway?</i><br /><br /><b>Pup, get your facts straight. Bug's novel wasn't published until 1974</b><br /><br /><i>I would have done even more than Manson did to upset things. I wouldn't cowtow to a bunch of people using their positions in power to bury me.</i><br /><br /><b>You are buried already in your own hatred and ignorance.</b><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-58461480250451493122015-03-25T16:20:10.777-04:002015-03-25T16:20:10.777-04:00I have never thought he is racist but moreso belie...I have never thought he is racist but moreso believes in keeping bloodlines togethercandy and nutshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01871828104812368464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-75406767436568530132015-03-25T16:12:53.016-04:002015-03-25T16:12:53.016-04:00Charlie didn't screw up his own trial. It was ...Charlie didn't screw up his own trial. It was abundantly clear to him and anyone with common sense that he was always tried and convicted before he even stepped foot in the court room. What would you do? If you were on the cover of Lie magazine? Had a "confession" published in the paper that some shyster copyrighted and then sold as a book while the trial was underway? What would you do if the president got up there and declared you guilty? Two damn books released while the trial was going on, one by a guy who still prides himself on it being used to sentence Manson to death?<br /><br />I would have done even more than Manson did to upset things. I wouldn't cowtow to a bunch of people using their positions in power to bury me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-21402155095792506042015-03-25T16:02:00.485-04:002015-03-25T16:02:00.485-04:00I havent read Georges book yet, but in all fairnes...I havent read Georges book yet, but in all fairness anyone who has followed this saga knows well the history of the victims since it has been written,filmed and shown on tv a zillion times,,,,why reiterate what is already been put out there?candy and nutshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01871828104812368464noreply@blogger.com