tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post6194440225391827048..comments2024-03-27T21:24:06.590-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: LurkersMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger90125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-38521078039274583962018-01-15T21:30:16.419-05:002018-01-15T21:30:16.419-05:00Great post!
At the time this was originally poste...Great post!<br /><br />At the time this was originally posted, I was lurkin BUT- I've posted a couple of times since. Great blog and, a freakin great and diverse collection of people in the community. From the core folks that drive the (black) bus to the mainstays who give such interesting, informative and/or controversial feedback/input to those who wade in with a light step half fearful of becoming an object of ridicule...half super excited to finally chirp in...to those true lurkers who just take it all in for all it's glorious/ugly/mind-blowing/crazy/inept/kooky etc...bizarro Oooooh-Eeeee-Ooooohiness!<br /><br />I saw and read HS in 1976 as an 11 year old. Went out and bought the 1976 Special Edition WHITE vinyl White Album and, went to town.<br />My friend's parents were acquaintances of Karlene Faith - I met her at a party they had but I had no idea who she was or whom she invited to board in her home at that time. <br />I played music and, from 1981 onward I toured the West Coast punk rock circuit coming in contact with a cast of freaks - wonderful for the most part - some of whom were sorta associated with the case and/or some principles from the case in some way or another, which was really interesting for a kid from Burnaby (suburb of Vancouver). In fact, one musician friend lived in Clubhouse 28 in Venice for a bit in 85-ish til 87-ish.<br />I spent the bulk of the summer of 87 stranded after a tour and, managed to secure a couch at a friend's place. That friend's apartment, in Sherman Oaks of all places, had the front directory entry of "Snake Lake" which freaked me out completely. <br />Then, there was the girl I dated that lived in the same building as Crispin Glover...<br />This blog gives me the wonderfully awesome feeling that all of these events have throughout my life. It is never dull. It can be shocking. It can be the source of many "Uh-Huh" moments and, more than a few chuckles.<br /><br />Thanks for that! <br /><br />Seriously!Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17388908256992077315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-24306292676394138662017-11-08T00:22:51.060-05:002017-11-08T00:22:51.060-05:00Good evening all, my name is Liz and I have been a...Good evening all, my name is Liz and I have been a lurker here for years now. I may have posted once in the last 4 years I have been following this blog. <br /><br />I have been interested and reading about these crimes since I was 12 years old, I am now 29 years old soon to be 30. Fun fact about me is I lived off of Laurel Canyon in the San Fernando Valley, I was born and raised there. I now live in Orange County but my parents are still in the same home off of Laurel Canyon and Ventura Blvd. One of the reasons why I became so enthralled in the case is because I was so close geographically to most of the areas affected by the events that transpired. <br /><br />I have been up to Cielo Dr. several times and always say that if I win the Lotto, I would like to build a house similar to the one that stood at Cielo Dr many years ago, floor plan included with the loft. <br /><br />I appreciate all of the hard work that goes into running this site and thank all of the people that contribute to it. <br /><br />Thank you all :) Lizzyskelterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03767031176089639217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-46848312010499968202017-10-27T03:52:21.486-04:002017-10-27T03:52:21.486-04:00MHN: "I was really just here to meet girls, b...MHN: "I was really just here to meet girls, but, like, it never seemed to happen for me the way it happened for everyone else. So now I lurk." <br /><br />Funniest comment i think i've ever read on this site Loganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05317087119665050796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-37795923941493209382017-10-26T14:03:49.662-04:002017-10-26T14:03:49.662-04:00Hello fellow lurkers! I have been obsessed with t...Hello fellow lurkers! I have been obsessed with this case for most of my adult life. I remember reading Helter Skelter when I was around 14 and it being the first book to ever give me nightmares and really scare me. I'm an avid true crime fanatic (JonBenet, Scott Peterson, Menendez, JFK assasination), but nothing compares to my obsession with this case. I've been lurking around since I think 2009ish, never posting but have exchanged a few emails with a couple people. My dream is to sometime attend one of the tours, as I don't think my family would enjoy a vacation involving Manson related stops! :)<br /><br />I have serious writers crushes on Matt and Saint, I love what they contribute, along with the insights everyone shares. This is the most informative blog out there for the research that I enjoy about the case and people involved. I think the psychology of it all is what keeps me wanting more.<br /><br />If i could talk to anyone involved and know they would be honest, I would love to talk to Patricia or Mother Mary.<br /><br />Keep up the good work all!Amyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05417102916317940380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-26484840212139156082017-10-24T22:36:51.718-04:002017-10-24T22:36:51.718-04:00Hello all. I'm 51 years old, been studying the...Hello all. I'm 51 years old, been studying the case for most of my life. I live on the east coast, so I don't get to see a lot of the landmarks and such, but I know a lot about the case, and the people involved. I just learned that William Garretson passed away, as well as Hendrickson. Anyway, just wanted to drop in and say hi.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14749184025695646857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-87219388949903887582017-10-24T22:14:55.802-04:002017-10-24T22:14:55.802-04:00I have been a lurker for years. I love listening t...I have been a lurker for years. I love listening to all the ideas and theories you guys throw out here. It is hard coming up with one person that I would like to talk with but I think I would choose Bruce.Donnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07360305484886925622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-73230054782851194472017-10-23T17:35:27.419-04:002017-10-23T17:35:27.419-04:00I’m a lurker from England , been into the case for...I’m a lurker from England , been into the case for 5 years . There are so many layers , I don’t think I will ever stop reading/watching information . I just can’t get enough . Tonight I have listened to ‘moments’ by Desert Sun 5 times before coming on here . Keep up the work everyone .PFWulfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14967236041126094138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-35988611621204678542017-10-23T16:14:37.565-04:002017-10-23T16:14:37.565-04:00I was really just here to meet girls, but, like, i...I was really just here to meet girls, but, like, it never seemed to happen for me the way it happened for everyone else. So now I lurk.<br /><br />MHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765688604319832245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-1275038009491015812017-10-22T13:52:31.698-04:002017-10-22T13:52:31.698-04:00Nice job Monica and thanks for the good news on Ho...Nice job Monica and thanks for the good news on Houston woohoo!Mr. Humphrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18206702171683458150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-79372347095805620782017-10-22T13:51:10.717-04:002017-10-22T13:51:10.717-04:00Special shout out to Grim. Your blog name mystifii...Special shout out to Grim. Your blog name mystifiies me sweetheart, but you seem to have a heart of gold. Monicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01571929710287716239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-57771275444778981022017-10-22T13:43:12.996-04:002017-10-22T13:43:12.996-04:00Well, Matt is off the hook since the Yanks will no...Well, Matt is off the hook since the Yanks will not go to the world series. Happy for Houston. They need some good. <br /><br />As we move on to a new post, thanks to all the former lurkers for coming out of the closet. Great reading your posts and virtually meeting you. I plan to comment more often, and I hope you do too. <br /><br />Thanks to everyone for being so welcoming. It feels very odd writing that on a blog about that investigates almost 50 year old murders. But, there are dicussions that need to happen. So we continue.Monicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01571929710287716239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-70895496386090977702017-10-21T23:01:46.711-04:002017-10-21T23:01:46.711-04:00Hi. I've been reading the blog for years and y...Hi. I've been reading the blog for years and years but I don't recall ever posting. Maybe once or twice? I've been in touch with the fine folks who run this place a few times and I recorded and shared the Tom O'Neill audio interview with you all. I wish I would have kept the stuff I shared elsewhere to share here instead, like some interesting real estate and probate records of the LaBianca's, and not so interesting stuff on the Van Houten's Manhattan Beach house, which are now seemingly lost forever. This blog has undergone a transformation for the better since the early days as I'm sure you would all agree, and I come back to check in multiple times a week now to see if there's something new. All of the contributors should be applauded for the hard work and thought they give to the content they provide us. Keep up the great work. To answer the OP's question, I would probably most like to speak to Lynette Fromme.<br /><br />All the best,<br /><br />JMAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09425778085789409913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-49265839101372100552017-10-21T20:29:29.908-04:002017-10-21T20:29:29.908-04:00I guess I could be labeled a lurker, posting a han...I guess I could be labeled a lurker, posting a handful of times. I had previously been o prolific poster on another related board which resulted in some unpleasant interactions offline as well as online. <br /><br />I am also not as sharp on the case details as I one was and am likely to write something that i might later regret due to not fully engaging my brain. <br /><br />But kudos to the core bloggers here for turning this place around and making it a great resource on everything relating to the case.<br /><br />As for the one perso i would like speak with? I no longer have a buurning desire to with a specific person but would welcome ANYONE that had first hand interactions. I still find it a facinating subject, hence the reason for my lurking.<br /><br />Me :-)Sun Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10515301825618609488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-75402130659700145192017-10-21T15:43:44.329-04:002017-10-21T15:43:44.329-04:00Well that’s a good start!!! When I finally reached...Well that’s a good start!!! When I finally reached... LastGirlOnTheLefthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836640848171283652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-83324541160802608702017-10-21T15:28:58.319-04:002017-10-21T15:28:58.319-04:00I’ve been lurking for just a few months - I have b...I’ve been lurking for just a few months - I have been engrossed every evening reading through the articles on the blog. When I frontally reaches the end, I went back to the newest posts and started all over again. I don’t know anywhere near as much as all of you do on the case, so I don’t think I can contribute too much. I just find the whole case utterly fascinating, particularly from the perspective of the young women who were part of this family like no other. Even though they were living in the middle of second wave feminism, they all took on a subservient role. How did one man’s misogyny infect the whole family, especially the women? It is mind boggling! I would love to talk to Brenda. There was something about the way she held herself in the Manson documentary that I thought was so intense. Her charisma just ate up the screen. LastGirlOnTheLefthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836640848171283652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-91785169500765873902017-10-21T06:51:38.166-04:002017-10-21T06:51:38.166-04:00I don't know if I count as a lurker. I've ...I don't know if I count as a lurker. I've been reading since the beginning of Eviliz practically but commenting only occasionally. This is the only forum left that takes the truth seriously and has the means to do the research. It's really special. Monica this has been a really fun post. It's nice to see readers interact and participate. Way to go!<br /><br />My dinner date would be Bobby. He had a few pretty interesting years there before it all blew up. I'd need to double the serum with him though.<br /><br />Now to do something about this hangover.Suzehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17042563411146539890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-29182599987593575202017-10-21T04:13:56.856-04:002017-10-21T04:13:56.856-04:00Got this from How the Irish Invented Slang The Sec...Got this from How the Irish Invented Slang The Secret Language of the Crossroads by Daniel Cassidy (page 175) It's a bit repetitive:<br /><br />Helter skelter,adv.,"In disordered haste: confusedly, tumultuously, pell-mell.(1593)... while helter has no explanation other than its suggestive sound and rhyme with skelter, the final element is probably based on skelte, to hasten, scatter hurriedly... The adjective meaning of disorderly or confused is first recorded in 1785; the noun about 1713." (Barnhart Dictionary of Etymology, 1988, 475.)<br /><br />Ailteor scaoilte (pron. al-t'or' skilt'e, hal-t'or' skilt'e), a run amuck clown; an unconstrained wild prankster; a loose-limbed trickster; a joker running loose. The joker is wild! Ailteor, -ora (pron. h-al-t'or')n., a trickster a practical joker, one who plays pranks an "arch" fellow, a frivolous person, the clown in a circus: an acrobat. (Dineen Focloir Gaedhilge agus Bearla: Irish-English Dictionary,16; O Donaill Focloir Gaeilge-Bearla,Irish-English Dictionary,1977,19) Scaoilte (pron. skilt'e),p.p of scaoil, adj., scattered; broken loose, broken free, unconstrained, run-amuck; released,let go; loose-limbed. Madraidhe scaoilte, dogs a-loose, hounds run-amuck.<br /><br />Ailteoir scaoilte spelled helter skelter is often used in English as a metaphorical adverb and adjective, meaning "disordered haste; a-loose, amuck, confusedly, tumultuously, pell-mell;" like a joker run wild or a run-amuck clown." Helter skelter is awild and crazy guy.<br /><br />Helter Skelter. To run helter skelter, hand over head, in defiance of order. (Grose, Classical Dictionary of the Vulger Tongue, 1785,[1811].)<br /><br />Helter-skelter have I rode to thee, and tydings do I bring. (Shakespeare, Henry IV, 1597, Act V, Scene III.)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08656331792648147696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-52728954085067198182017-10-21T02:38:40.459-04:002017-10-21T02:38:40.459-04:00Been lurking since 2007. I grew up in Orange Count...Been lurking since 2007. I grew up in Orange County and was 14 when the murders happened. I started driving up to LA in about 1973. I've been to most of the tlb sites and graves. I've read a fair share of the usual books, but have more in my library to be read. I recommend Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon by David McGowen. A bit off topic is All for a Few Perfect Waves by David Rensin. Miki Dora knew Manson through Dennis Wilson, who, I believe, was the only Beach Boy who surfed. At parties Dora would steal the wallets from coats placed in a bedroom, go into a bathroom, take the money, and put the wallets in the toilet tank. I'm sure he taught Manson this. FYI Leslie did not place Rosemary's wallet in a black area. Geez it's near Spahn Ranch. If you go there do not miss the nearby Nethercutt Museum. Dora later met up with Manson at CMF Vacaville (it's a few miles up I80 from where I now live). Dora: Hey Charlie! Is that you? Manson: Miki! Surfer Boy. Is that you? Hey, Mick the Prick! Great party! (page 268)<br />I'd like to talk to Robert Evans or Michelle Phillips. They know a lot, too bad it'll probably go to the grave with them. To make myself useful I can post the definition of Helter Skelter that I found in a book. Forget origin unknown, it's Gaelic. It's a bit long, so I'll put it in another post.<br /> Nice finally meeting you. MikeAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08656331792648147696noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-41653837578799839022017-10-21T00:35:21.410-04:002017-10-21T00:35:21.410-04:00Judging by the articulacy that every one of the lu...Judging by the articulacy that every one of the lurkers and semi lurkers thus far have shown, we're missing out not hearing from you. Some of the histories of how you first got into the case, some of the reasons why certain characters from TLB would be interviewed, some of the reasons why some people feel shy or under confident about posting ¬> I'm just sitting here thinking "I'd love to hear more from these guys."<br /><br /><b>@CrisPOA</b> ¬> I've never had any trouble understanding your written English. I would never have guessed any of your posts were written by someone for whom English is a second language. <br /><br /> christopher butche said...<br /><br /><b>I don't really have enough spare brain space to store all the relevant 20,000,000 necessary facts about the case to feel confident enough to post nowadays</b><br /><br />When I first tentatively appeared, you were one of the people that was a mineful of great info, some great posts and thoughts that made the brain blink and then look again.<br /><br /> Bill Slocum said...<br /><br /> <b>and seems to have all the case details mastered. But the problem with commenters like him who can speak in shorthand about trial transcripts, is that they raise the bar for someone like me, who doesn't like to get into disputes or have my ideas jumped on, either rightly or otherwise, by those who know more</b><br /><br />I don't have all the details mastered. There are so many details that even all these years later, I still forget bits here and there or overlook bits, some of which seem to be too obvious to miss. <br />I'm just an ordinary bloke that likes reading about and discussing the case. There's nothing essentially different that I do from anyone else that isn't a research scholar, which is read what's available, think about it, try to make sense of it and comment what I think. There's no book or document or transcript that I've come across that isn't available out there. Most of the books I've read on the case, I heard about from either here or one of the other blogs. Simon Davis suggested asking LA county for a copy of the transcripts {they'll do them free if you make a formal request} which I did and at the same time Cielo made them available.<br />I agree that the bar has been raised but that's something that pre~existed any involvement from me. The various blogs that were about when I first started commenting in 2015 were treasure troves of bar raising minds and much of the time I didn't have a clue what people were talking about. That's partly what spurred me on to find out more. Also, there's a major part of me that is not content to take anyone's word for anything as the final word...I like to look into matters and rummage about and see what's there. Quite often the nuances that are part of life rear their head.<br />I really do understand being apprehensive about getting one's ideas and thoughts jumped on or trashed but in reality that's actually rather a minority sport. True, you do get the odd piranha swimming about the neighbourhood, but I've found that while there can sometimes be heated exchanges {and in truth, some of them are necessary}, most discussions are passionate and fair and generally civil. There are often more than two strands of opinion on many of the things that get discussed ~ if someone disagrees with your particular opinion, you're in good company ! grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-31254609335505925622017-10-20T23:28:05.787-04:002017-10-20T23:28:05.787-04:00How wonderful to see so many new names! Don't...How wonderful to see so many new names! Don't be afraid to comment, the first couple of times may seem to be a bit intimidating but it doesn't take long to feel comfortable. I lurked at first, too.<br /><br />Like Shaky Jake I would like to talk to Madeline Cottage. There is way more to Zero's death and I want to know what it is. I'd also like to know why law enforcement was so quick to say suicide but they have brought up Zero's death every time they say there are other "Manson murders".<br /><br />And, like Astro Creep I have an affinity for the Zodiac case because it is unsolved.DebShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093893870315262396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-2809984488887190832017-10-20T19:11:06.222-04:002017-10-20T19:11:06.222-04:00if the truth could be told, I guess Brenda would b...<i>if the truth could be told, I guess Brenda would be of great interest to hear the truth from. She is often overlooked and has managed to steer a pretty much clear path through the saga. An honest account by Mary Brunner would also be fascinating covering from family year zero to sharing prison space with the Official Manson Girls, all of Bobby's trial flip flopping on being the star snitch or not, facing a possible murder rap and beating it and then getting like Brenda to just fade away and live a normal life.</i><br /><br /><b>Couldn't agree more...</b><br /><br /><br />Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-51962940841563412412017-10-20T17:47:18.656-04:002017-10-20T17:47:18.656-04:00Hi all, I pop in from time to time, I don't re...Hi all, I pop in from time to time, I don't really have enough spare brain space to store all the relevant 20,000,000 necessary facts about the case to feel confident enough to post nowadays.<br />Personally I had some deaths in the family and I needed to focus on something that wasn't so dark for the soul.<br />That said I'm looking forward to reading Dianne Lake's book. A new primary source of fresh material is long overdue for everyone to pick apart. Really there should be two versions, one for casual readers and the other relentlessly fact checked on here until every memory was wrung out of the poor woman.<br />As to Monica's question, if the truth could be told, I guess Brenda would be of great interest to hear the truth from. She is often overlooked and has managed to steer a pretty much clear path through the saga. An honest account by Mary Brunner would also be fascinating covering from family year zero to sharing prison space with the Official Manson Girls, all of Bobby's trial flip flopping on being the star snitch or not, facing a possible murder rap and beating it and then getting like Brenda to just fade away and live a normal life.Chris Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14711422705919582549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-3178214125416154512017-10-20T02:34:26.260-04:002017-10-20T02:34:26.260-04:00Hi Monica, This is a wonderful idea! I have been l...Hi Monica, This is a wonderful idea! I have been lurking around this wonderful site for years without saying a word.<br />Patricia Krenwinkel would be a good choice for an interview.<br />You might actually get something interesting out of her, unlike the other monster <br />Tex, who would probably never let the conversation travel far<br />away from his savior spiel. On the good side, I believe the Col. would be<br />informative and so much fun at a sitdown about the case.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03577801198681932686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-52392415498850171822017-10-19T23:01:51.597-04:002017-10-19T23:01:51.597-04:00I too have been lurking around since the evil one ...I too have been lurking around since the evil one was the Chief of the Blog. Every one is doing a great job keeping the discussion going, and although I may not agree with some motives it makes for a great debate. It was great having Mr. Hendrickson here for the time we did. I loved hearing from him 1st hand accounts and his take on the world as he knew it. I love reading the Col.s posts and opinions, since I lurked on his page also. As for whom I would like to sit down and talk with,..."Tex". I would like to look him in the eyes and gauge just how full of crap he actually is. To all the admins and posters. Keep up the great work.J.J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16692489778120338155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-28698489189793535112017-10-19T22:59:27.213-04:002017-10-19T22:59:27.213-04:00I too have been lurking around since the evil one ...I too have been lurking around since the evil one was the Chief of the Blog. Every one is doing a great job keeping the discussion going, and although I may not agree with some motives it makes for a great debate. It was great having Mr. Hendrickson here for the time we did. I loved hearing from him 1st hand accounts and his take on the world as he knew it. I love reading the Col.s posts and opinions, since I lurked on his page also. As for whom I would like to sit down and talk with,..."Tex". I would like to look him in the eyes and gauge just how full of crap he actually is. To all the admins and posters. Keep up the great work.J.J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16692489778120338155noreply@blogger.com