tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post6381545004323748145..comments2024-03-27T21:24:06.590-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Searching For God in the Sixties - Dr. Dave Williams Part 5 - Death Literal and SpiritualMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-30299456785253612102014-12-11T14:44:46.722-05:002014-12-11T14:44:46.722-05:00Rudolf,
Less SANTA, more SATAN please. We want pe...Rudolf,<br /><br />Less SANTA, more SATAN please. We want pentagrams, not anagrams!<br /><br />Unless this was all a clever clue about dark rituals at the Santa Susana Pass...MHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765688604319832245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-31259015692824360342014-12-11T09:34:01.430-05:002014-12-11T09:34:01.430-05:00WHOOO Michael: Hold-on! We're STILL searching...WHOOO Michael: Hold-on! We're STILL searching for GOD here. AND looking for something that is "beyond the bounds of ordinary knowledge, mysterious, .....secret; communicated ONLY to the initiated... is the definition of OCCULT.<br /><br />SO, you better not shout, you better not pout, you better not cry - cause I'm telling you why - Santa Claus is coming to town.<br />HE knows when YOU are happy and HE knows when YOU are sad. So you better be good or the man with the black hood will chop YOUR head OFF.<br /><br />Dr. Dave should take it from here.<br /><br />Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-30098486365249800162014-12-11T06:55:17.070-05:002014-12-11T06:55:17.070-05:00Well Robert, I've been waiting for more on thi...Well Robert, I've been waiting for more on this occult angle you tentatively introduced earlier. <br /><br />But I was almost afraid to ask...MHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765688604319832245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-9836457347722574032014-12-11T05:53:16.950-05:002014-12-11T05:53:16.950-05:00OMG Michael: Maybe you hit upon something relevant...OMG Michael: Maybe you hit upon something relevant. Could Manson have been "purifying" temples on the hills. Even Gary Hinman's house was up many stairs on the side of a hill. AND Shorty Shea, maybe Charlie was throwing the "squealers" out of Spahn Ranch. <br /><br />Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-72952236267171498282014-12-10T11:56:50.637-05:002014-12-10T11:56:50.637-05:00Letters and Numbers: I prefer "Death is Metap...Letters and Numbers: I prefer "Death is Metaphorical Charlie's trip."MHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765688604319832245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-5463631109603765772014-12-10T11:55:29.780-05:002014-12-10T11:55:29.780-05:00From Lt Frank Drebbin to Jesus Christ in the space...From Lt Frank Drebbin to Jesus Christ in the space of two posts. That's why I love this place! I always thought of Drebbin as a kind of Holy Fool.<br /><br />Robert, Jesus actions might be seen as purifying the Temple, but another reading might see them as being a symbolic closing down of the Temple - because the Temple couldn't function without that gentile money and its idolatrous images being changed for Temple money. In effect Jesus is closing down the Temple.<br /><br />During Jesus' trial the High Priest rends his own garments in outrage at the blasphemies of Jesus, and at his death on the cross the veil concealing the Holy of Holies at the heart of the Temple was torn down the middle.<br /><br />Make of that what you will. The Temple shall not function. God has left His sanctuary, and is to be found in a man's willing self-sacrifice. Henceforth prayer shall consist of acts of love and mercy, not of ritual and protocol.<br /><br />Or something like that. I really don't know anymore....MHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765688604319832245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-30197831168397599562014-12-10T09:35:07.657-05:002014-12-10T09:35:07.657-05:00Ah, Michael, it warms my soul to hear such intelle...Ah, Michael, it warms my soul to hear such intellectual humor. BUT for those who have NOT reached the level of us "cracked pots," I offer this: According to the Holy Scriptures," Jesus physically ASSAULTED "business men" in the temple. For those who need video proof of HIS crime, back in the 1950s - 60s there were numerous films made in the Spanish language, showing Jesus literally terrorizing these "moneychangers."<br /><br />The CHURCH has since convoluted the real story to make it sound like Jesus was a hero for "throwing the JEWISH moneychangers" on their asses - and was thus wrongly convicted by the Roman governor.<br /><br />Of course, through out history, "the moneychangers" put up the money to build the grand temples and cathedrals The only distinction being, when JEWs do it for their religion it's BAD and when the Mafia does it for the Vatican it's GOOD. <br /><br />It's kinda like: A Roman soldier named Longinous) actually snuffed the life out of Jesus, BUT the JEWS are blamed for it. <br /><br />I'm a "realist" who also accepts the TRUTH of the scam artists as having a profitable purpose in life.<br /><br />TO: the Colonel - Dr. Dave has come along at a perfect time in order to help us understand that NO sense to most folks does make sense to some. Come join us ! Cause all we have to loose is ignorance. <br /><br />Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-37274699030131576252014-12-10T08:14:58.982-05:002014-12-10T08:14:58.982-05:00"I'm sure that we can handle this situati...<i>"I'm sure that we can handle this situation maturely, just like the responsible adults that we are. Isn't that right, Mr. Poopy Pants?"<br /> - Leslie Nielsen (The Naked Gun 2 1/2)</i>Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-9917408058365940852014-12-10T05:34:28.457-05:002014-12-10T05:34:28.457-05:00Robert
BUT first ask yourself WHY did Jesus Chris...Robert<br /><br /><i>BUT first ask yourself WHY did Jesus Christ NOT go out the back door and just disappear - when HE knew the Romans would be coming for him ?</i><br /><br />Come on Robert, it's not like Jesus was doing anything that might warrant a death penalty, like, say, selling loose cigarettes on the street.MHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765688604319832245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-34465531699100662682014-12-10T03:51:14.162-05:002014-12-10T03:51:14.162-05:00Maybe Watkins should have said: "Metaphorical...Maybe Watkins should have said: "Metaphorical death is Charlie's trip."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-57218090067211435762014-12-09T22:30:14.875-05:002014-12-09T22:30:14.875-05:00Another movie quote in honor of ColScott's con...Another movie quote in honor of ColScott's contribution:<br /><br />"One through nine, no maybes, no supposes, no fractions. You can't travel in space, you can't go out into space, you know, without, like, you know, uh, with fractions - what are you going to land on? - one-quarter, three-eighths? What are you going to do when you go from here to Venus or something? That's dialectic physics." ~ Dennis Hopper as the photojournalist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-42763147212433880882014-12-09T19:59:09.094-05:002014-12-09T19:59:09.094-05:00Thank you Dr Dave. I hope you won't feel cheat...Thank you Dr Dave. I hope you won't feel cheated if I buy a used copy - I'm really keen to read it.<br /><br />MHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765688604319832245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-22896319610527384432014-12-09T19:28:58.647-05:002014-12-09T19:28:58.647-05:00He sure was gifted Crash. You try stuffing yourse...He sure was gifted Crash. You try stuffing yourself into a very small container with pipes already in the way. <br /><br />Of course, If you can make the Prosecutors watch stop and others go to prison for you, an old Houdini box trick probably isn't that difficult. BUT why - why NOT just run out the back door and disappear into the desert landscape. BUT first ask yourself WHY did Jesus Christ NOT go out the back door and just disappear - when HE knew the Romans would be coming for him ?<br /><br />Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-51447170299212255092014-12-09T19:02:36.078-05:002014-12-09T19:02:36.078-05:00Michael: Amazon has used copies available at reaso...Michael: Amazon has used copies available at reasonable prices. Try them and if not, I might be able to get you a copy<br />-Dr Dave<br />http://www.amazon.com/Wilderness-Lost-Religious-Origins-American/dp/094166421X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1418169531&sr=1-1&keywords=wilderness+lost%3A++the+religious+origins+of+the+American+Mind&pebp=1418169538430Dr Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10163590240706535188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-6090200964905362122014-12-09T18:14:14.854-05:002014-12-09T18:14:14.854-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.MHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765688604319832245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-21618387087710012682014-12-09T18:11:48.115-05:002014-12-09T18:11:48.115-05:00
Who are all of these commentators and why do...<br /><br /> Who are all of these commentators and why do not of their comments make any freaking sense?ColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-54655054544532473012014-12-09T18:11:36.248-05:002014-12-09T18:11:36.248-05:00
Who are all of these commentators and why do...<br /><br /> Who are all of these commentators and why do not of their comments make any freaking sense?ColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-11224178072178264282014-12-09T18:11:26.599-05:002014-12-09T18:11:26.599-05:00
Who are all of these commentators and why do...<br /><br /> Who are all of these commentators and why do not of their comments make any freaking sense?ColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-69219246120123128852014-12-09T18:11:11.277-05:002014-12-09T18:11:11.277-05:00
Who are all of these commentators and why do...<br /><br /> Who are all of these commentators and why do not of their comments make any freaking sense?ColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-79639495126029723992014-12-09T18:00:20.915-05:002014-12-09T18:00:20.915-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.ColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-47510646717028566962014-12-09T17:02:20.440-05:002014-12-09T17:02:20.440-05:00What do I think he was doing there? Hiding from th...What do I think he was doing there? Hiding from the future.<br /><br />Crash I find it difficult. As I've said, I think there is something genuine and authentic in Charlie. But I think there's also a moral imbecile and a near-bottomless pit of self-exculpatory bullshit in there too.<br /><br />Your world, my world, blah blah blah. The La-Biancas were the ones in their own world minding their business when the Family came and crashed another world down upon them.<br /><br />I find all of this fascinating, but duelling realities don't trump those knife wounds.<br /><br />There are plenty of people who do stay in the desert minding their business; it's a shame Charles Manson wasn't content to be one of them.MHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765688604319832245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-76062267899705407542014-12-09T16:02:25.217-05:002014-12-09T16:02:25.217-05:00what do you think he was doing under there robert?...what do you think he was doing under there robert? fixing a leak? or writing his memoirs? <br /> The entire thing is about the struggle between the two. If you dont believe he was gifted in some ways like that then thats fine. It was the outside world that crashed down on him, or that would be what he would say. And has said over and over. He doesnt connect the two, "its not my world, it happened in your world, not mine".<br /> "I was in the desert minding my business when they came and got me and brought me here"<br />crashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00624403521546828497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-57717848237335714802014-12-09T15:27:38.793-05:002014-12-09T15:27:38.793-05:00Dr Dave, do you think that, merely because it is a...Dr Dave, do you think that, merely because it is a 'blank canvas', we (urban educated types) can too easily project our spiritual emptiness or the pains of our intellectual indigestion upon it?<br /><br />Many say that facing the abyss is dangerous and difficult. But for some of us, some of the time, facing life in human society is far, far more difficult.<br /><br />Dr Dave - I just looked-up <i>Desert Solitaire</i>, and have downloaded the Kindle edition, thank you for the tip. I'm also going to read <i>The Solace of Fierce Landscapes: Exploring Desert and Mountain Spirituality</i> by Belden Lane. I'd very much like to explore <i>Wilderness Lost: The Religious Origins of the American Mind</i> - by a Dr David R. Williams - but Amazon UK is out of stock and there is no kindle edition :(<br /><br />MHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765688604319832245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-22547881572511476912014-12-09T14:14:01.466-05:002014-12-09T14:14:01.466-05:00"If I had not seen the sun
I could have bou..."If I had not seen the sun <br /> I could have bourn the shade<br />But light a newer wilderness<br /> My wilderness has made."<br /> Emily Dickinson after her sojourn in "Madness."<br /> I am also reminded of Edward Abbey's "Desert Solitaire" where he wrestles with the wilderness as spiritual place just because it is empty and swept clean of human meaning.Dr Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10163590240706535188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-58291889007834902952014-12-09T12:53:13.327-05:002014-12-09T12:53:13.327-05:00Crash: You cant be in NOW and worry about past or ...Crash: <i>You cant be in NOW and worry about past or present.<br />Manson could do it, but I think it frustrated him to no end that not many others could do it.</i><br /><br />Manson could do it? Is that what he was doing hiding under the washstand? Just being in the now, not giving a thought to the past or the future...?<br /><br />MHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765688604319832245noreply@blogger.com