tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post645349072897963299..comments2024-03-28T23:53:16.262-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: A History of Barker RanchMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-89577669008963553112022-03-08T12:14:08.648-05:002022-03-08T12:14:08.648-05:00Quotes from the NPS publication:
"Manson eve...Quotes from the NPS publication:<br /><br />"Manson eventually selected Thomason/ Barker Ranch rather than the Myers Ranch as the Family's base of operations."<br /><br />"Charles "Tex" Watson... described his initial perception of ... Myers Ranches when the family first arrived in 1968:<br />"... The ranches themselves were about a quarter of a mile apart. Myers Ranch was in very bad condition, rundown and vandalized..."<br /><br />So presumably Myers was too trashy for even the Mansonoids to live in. Yet in the book 'Desert Shadows' by Bob Murphy,former Superintendent of Death Valley National Monument, we read (re the Barker Raid):<br /><br />pg101<br />"The officers checked the nearby Myers Ranch. The location had obviously been cleaned up. The floors were neat and the bed made with the bedspread carefully tucked over the top. No Family items were found. Charlie told the arresting officers that the Family avoided the Myers Ranch because "the ghost of Bill Myers still lived there."<br /><br />Sure doesn't sound like it's in "very bad condition" to me! Given the critical need for housing all the visitors and Family members up there, was there another reason they didn't avail themselves of the Myers ranch? I suspect the Myers cabin WAS occupied. But for some reason this person's name has to be kept a secret. Was it somebody sent up there to keep the Family under observation? Given the way the Family was kept under constant surveillance by this time, I think that is a likely scenario. But why are the Family protecting this person's name?starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-80579469660642097702022-03-08T12:06:30.536-05:002022-03-08T12:06:30.536-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-38637808912668883262019-08-04T04:51:26.824-04:002019-08-04T04:51:26.824-04:00BLM has been known to burn down structures in the ...BLM has been known to burn down structures in the surrrounding areas I'm a near by resident and a friend of mine had his cabin set on fire by BLM. Or at least this is what he suspects after 2 years of being harassed by BLM rangers, and after being away from the property for a 3 week period he came home to ash.Panament valley residenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11990720406241874272noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-24312194678075852972015-05-26T19:49:41.426-04:002015-05-26T19:49:41.426-04:00You can step into Myers, or even Barker when the h...You can step into Myers, or even Barker when the house was still standing, and really if you did not know you were 25 miles from pavement, you could imagine yourself in a small town like Shoshone, Joshua Tree, etc, in a well kept area. The NPS and the people did a good job keeping those areas up and clean. I have only seen Myers Ranch pre-burn, and it looked like an absolute utopia - at least my vision of utopia. <br /><br />I am assuming that back when they were up there in 68/9, that the cabins had a few years of neglect onto them. <br /><br />As for getting the bus up there, from what I understand there was once a road that ran past Myers ranch, through that canyon to Willow Spring, and then cut back around that mountain that lies behind Barker and back to the Mengel Pass (or even lower to Butte), and that was the route they took the bus - not up Mengel or Goler like many assumed. <br /><br />According to lore, the Manson people also spent time at the Warm Springs cabin as well up in Jail Canyon in those cabins.Cuntry Trashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05721594982194464895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-41203633792620515852015-05-24T10:54:02.963-04:002015-05-24T10:54:02.963-04:00That's a tough one - for words - Michael.
I ...That's a tough one - for words - Michael.<br /> <br />I don't think there is ANYTHING anyone NEEDS to KNOW, but an understanding of how ALL things RELATE and thus are RELEVANT unto each other seems to provide for a more enjoyable MENTAL experience while dwelling for an extended period of time here on this earth.<br /> <br />As an artist you might try painting a picture of a thousand year old Palmyra "ruin" but also incorporate an image of the burned-out Barker Ranch house into the picture.<br /> <br />THUS, you will have created a picture WORTH a thousand YEARS and a stimulating MENTAL experience for the viewer.<br /><br />Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-31453933517832061112015-05-23T15:48:21.326-04:002015-05-23T15:48:21.326-04:00Oooooh Robert....
What a question.
You set my b...Oooooh Robert.... <br /><br />What a question.<br /><br />You set my brain buzzing - which is usually a sign that some pre-installed software up there isn't liking where I'm taking it. Listen, I cannot give you an answer; I simply don't trust my mind, or my opinions. But I want to know what you are saying. When I started joining in on this site I admit I thought you were a few dimes short of the entrance fee, if you know what I mean. I was profoundly foolish and arrogant to think that, and I regret it. I was dead wrong. But half of me is relieved that you are frequently cryptic, because sometimes I feel that if you were more forthright and plain-spoken it would be damned uncomfortable for creatures of comfort like me. <br /><br />Why don't you email me what I need to know?<br /><br />I do need to understand.MHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765688604319832245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-87122010958482752662015-05-23T10:07:55.871-04:002015-05-23T10:07:55.871-04:00Very good Michael, now what is the relevance of th...Very good Michael, now what is the relevance of the Barker Ranch story to the Palmyra, Syria ISIS story ?<br /><br />Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-80712830643195360862015-05-23T08:25:10.271-04:002015-05-23T08:25:10.271-04:00Well, they brought the bus in via Mengel Pass. Thi...Well, they brought the bus in via Mengel Pass. Think about Kitty and Stephanie for example going down that wash on foot trying to get to Ballarat which is still another 15 miles on dirt road AFTER you hit the bottom - in the autumn heat! Mind blowing.<br /><br />Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-88617858416988099802015-05-22T18:48:46.994-04:002015-05-22T18:48:46.994-04:00Very well Done George!
It was very apparent how m...Very well Done George!<br /><br />It was very apparent how much respect and affection you had for this area. As well, unfortunately for me, how comfortable you were driving down into this area to get to Barker Ranch ;)<br /><br />For me personally, the biggest take away from my voyage out to Barker was the enormity of the task it must have been for them in the late 60's to get there in an old bus. <br /><br />Walking or hiking in that area in bare feet?<br /><br />Wow... just wowAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-49707290423547515952015-05-22T15:23:51.421-04:002015-05-22T15:23:51.421-04:00And I meant to say, thank you Mr Stimson, a very i...And I meant to say, thank you Mr Stimson, a very interesting post.MHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765688604319832245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-31021939593756129952015-05-22T15:22:25.416-04:002015-05-22T15:22:25.416-04:00The burning is sad for us, of course, and as Cuntr...The burning is sad for us, of course, and as Cuntry points out, there is such a wealth of historical interest in that area beyond even the Manson connection - but - those flames are very much in keeping with the whole <i>via negativa</i> of the Manson story; it emerged from the desert, did its thing, and now, before answering any of our questions, it slowly disappears, dies off, withdraws from us, silently back into the wilderness it sprang from. If it is sad or regrettable, it is at least apt.MHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765688604319832245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-81900021109834447122015-05-22T12:21:25.695-04:002015-05-22T12:21:25.695-04:00Sorry to derail again, but the gallery got back to...Sorry to derail again, but the gallery got back to me and I posted their email & my reactions (I haven't emailed them back, I just ranted on the blog, lol) in the other thread ('Bobby has a gallery showing'). Swear this is the last time I'll derail this thread! Fingers crossed, hope to die, stick a needle in my eye. ;)Guida Diehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06881861444442344243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-9671549424979782015-05-22T10:44:06.373-04:002015-05-22T10:44:06.373-04:00When CM saw pictures of the freshly burned Myers R...When CM saw pictures of the freshly burned Myers Ranch he remarked on how clean everything looked.George Stimsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01335003151229883480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-39217509197378056502015-05-22T10:12:01.664-04:002015-05-22T10:12:01.664-04:00Ahh - FIRE it can BURN you, but try living withou...Ahh - FIRE it can BURN you, but try living without it. It can cleanse the forest of fallen trees, purge the caves of your enemies and even convert worthless DEAD bodies into useful ASH.<br /> <br />It is SOOO easy to SEE the destructive (BAD) nature in things, BUT to recognize the positive that emerges from negativity - NOT so easy.<br /><br /><br />Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-13067239371616836902015-05-21T22:07:17.480-04:002015-05-21T22:07:17.480-04:00I saw a book in Shoshone called Death Valley Cabin...I saw a book in Shoshone called Death Valley Cabins that has a good write up about the history of the ranch. I think George's history would have been great for that book as well. <br /><br />As for burning down Barker, there has been several fires in those canyons. Myers Ranch also burned and was rebuilt. And then in 5 canyons down, the Wicht/Novak Camp was also burned down. I believe there have also been fires in other cayons as well.<br /><br />It's really sad that anyone would want to burn any of these old cabins, Manson history aside - these canyons contain much richer history than Manson!Cuntry Trashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05721594982194464895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-41554835352535784792015-05-21T18:36:20.916-04:002015-05-21T18:36:20.916-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Ajerseydevilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02307773867621679673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-35809486020562242832015-05-21T18:34:26.645-04:002015-05-21T18:34:26.645-04:00Thanks again Matt sorry I honesty didn't see y...Thanks again Matt sorry I honesty didn't see your comment earlierAjerseydevilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02307773867621679673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-60696275005381055512015-05-21T16:12:21.039-04:002015-05-21T16:12:21.039-04:00equinox thank you friend I see my Cancer doctor to...equinox thank you friend I see my Cancer doctor tomorrow hoping to know more thanAjerseydevilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02307773867621679673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-20415891388159664342015-05-21T15:53:25.969-04:002015-05-21T15:53:25.969-04:00George Stimson: Thanks for that info!
William Ma...George Stimson: Thanks for that info!<br /><br />William Marshall: I am so pleased that Robert H came through for you. I hope you are keeping well at the moment, and that you enjoy your goodies!<br /><br />Vermouth: I am off to read your email!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-58210089781835858552015-05-21T15:08:21.914-04:002015-05-21T15:08:21.914-04:00Enjoy them, William. And please do so in the very ...Enjoy them, William. And please do so in the very best of health!<br /><br /><br />Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-589106784190193472015-05-21T14:01:00.229-04:002015-05-21T14:01:00.229-04:00:-):-)Jennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16318651628897411177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-63844125763657391512015-05-21T13:02:24.563-04:002015-05-21T13:02:24.563-04:00My apologies for going completely off topic but I ...My apologies for going completely off topic but I have to thank Robert Hendrickson for the wonderful autographed gift package a thank you letter is also on the way & Jenn thanks so much for helping make it happen & of course my bud MattAjerseydevilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02307773867621679673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-50042866863660425462015-05-21T10:58:26.819-04:002015-05-21T10:58:26.819-04:00This is very, very self-serving and totally off-to...This is very, very self-serving and totally off-topic, but just in case anyone was interested about the concerns I raised about Bobby's works being displayed in an Australian art gallery (I am an Australian, and the controversy the exhibition has the potential to ignite might create problems for my country's government etc.), I posted the email I sent to Contemporary Art Australia in the comments section for 'Bobby has a gallery showing' (https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8171370990642927748&postID=8236016960863415808&page=1&token=1432220012029). It's a really long email so I won't mind if noone reads it, was just worried anyone who MIGHT be interested (all one of you!) might miss it because that article has slipped down the front page quite a bit.<br /><br />So sorry for derailing the comments! I'm a history obsessive & I've always loved reading about Barker Ranch so I can't wait to dig into this one tomorrow (off to bed right now). Cheers!Guida Diehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06881861444442344243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-55308970708041563062015-05-21T09:04:39.613-04:002015-05-21T09:04:39.613-04:00Since the passage of the Desert Protection Act of ...Since the passage of the Desert Protection Act of 1994 Barker Ranch has been a part of Death Valley National Park. Thus it is under the jurisdiction of the National Park Service. George Stimsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01335003151229883480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-58841343225898293992015-05-21T04:39:56.256-04:002015-05-21T04:39:56.256-04:00George Stimson,
Thank you so much for this blog p...George Stimson,<br /><br />Thank you so much for this blog post, and spending so much time reproducing the relevant sections of the Report. It's fascinating!<br /><br />I am angry at the stupid **** who accidentally set Barkers on fire. It never fails to amaze me the damage that people do when they are unused to living in rural locations. I am also annoyed at the caretaker who destroyed the Family bus. Perhaps he didn't want Manson researchers making their way out there to view it!<br /><br />Who has responsibility for policing the National Park? It is Federal officers or the Sheriff's department?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com