tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post6658561354785872554..comments2024-03-29T10:47:02.156-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Goodbye Helter Skelter Chapters six through nineMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-45218161334044445422015-12-28T14:49:32.854-05:002015-12-28T14:49:32.854-05:00I was troubled by the only one phone call to the r...I was troubled by the only one phone call to the ranch.<br /><br />Below is an extract from an interview given by Beausoleil to Michael Moynihan published in the 50th issue of Seconds magaine in 1999:<br /><br />"What they used to 'support' this was a phone call from Gary Hinman's residence to the Spahn Ranch. There were two calls. The first one I told you about: one of the girls had called. The second one was when I was panicked over what to do about Gary, and I called the ranch and got Charlie on the phone and said "look man, you've left me with this problem. You came and cut this guy; there was no need for that. It's your problem." And he essentially told me "well, you know what to do as well as I do." He just kind of put it back in my court and hung up."<br /><br />Q: and later that was alleged to be an "order" from him, telling you to kill Gary.<br /><br />"Yes, as in "you know what to do" - that's how it was characterized, in an insinuating tone of voice."<br /><br />Q: Which is meaningless really.<br /><br />"Similar words in a completely different context."<br /><br />Chris Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14711422705919582549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-55485487082631859832015-02-26T22:21:06.286-05:002015-02-26T22:21:06.286-05:0021 Through 27, call Matt. :) xoxo21 Through 27, call Matt. :) xoxoPatty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-72550420129626018572015-02-26T19:33:30.888-05:002015-02-26T19:33:30.888-05:00April what?April what?ColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-14247757693657778512015-02-26T10:09:04.558-05:002015-02-26T10:09:04.558-05:00As I remember the story, a supposed Black Panther ...As I remember the story, a supposed Black Panther was reported in the news as being found "shot" on the hospital front lawn,<br /><br />The Family assumed it was Crow, that his crew dropped him off there.<br /><br />Isn't it also reasonable to assume the COPS didn't give a shit - CAUSE it was a BLACK man who was shot ?<br /><br />Had the COPS looked for and found Crow's assailant - maybe the beautiful Sharon Tate would be alive today.<br /><br />At the time, the notorious RACIST Ed Davis was police chief of LA. For those who think Manson was a racist - where do you think HE got his inspiration.<br /><br />Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-22261317039446376362015-02-25T20:18:03.515-05:002015-02-25T20:18:03.515-05:00Patty needs t get her some more Colonel...what you...Patty needs t get her some more Colonel...what you doing this April?Patty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-19401320807803107032015-02-25T19:34:04.822-05:002015-02-25T19:34:04.822-05:00the Black Panther was found in a dumpster near UCL...the Black Panther was found in a dumpster near UCLA I thought not Griffith Park... It wasn't premeditation because no one went there with the idea of killing anyone...Vera is a loon... I need to get this bookColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-53431737167176809372015-02-25T16:03:55.134-05:002015-02-25T16:03:55.134-05:00Initials. I've often thought that "Adolf ...Initials. I've often thought that "Adolf J. Hitler" would've had a more professional ring to it, not to mention a friendlier one, and might've robbed some of his decisions of their controversy.<br /><br />It used to be said that the victor gets to write the history. Nowadays the victor is whoever gets to sell the movie and merchandising rights, regardless of the history. <br /><br />Writing is for losers, history is whatever you want it to have been. It's all very relaxed, and all they want in return is your blood or your soul, and your silence.MHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765688604319832245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-86140264995003476032015-02-25T11:10:22.986-05:002015-02-25T11:10:22.986-05:00With the first part about the internet that isWith the first part about the internet that isPatty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-35217595738858497362015-02-25T10:51:35.000-05:002015-02-25T10:51:35.000-05:00Robert, Patty agrees.Robert, Patty agrees.Patty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-41067012859007204352015-02-25T10:50:53.785-05:002015-02-25T10:50:53.785-05:00YES Michael and Tina Turner sang it best: "W...YES Michael and Tina Turner sang it best: "We don't need another hero..."<br /><br />Made me think - after our last two heros JFK and LBJ - nobody wants to be known by their (3) initials.<br /><br />OR three letters W-A-R. Maybe the "American Sniper" will bring back the good-old days ?<br /><br />The "news" just reported that ex-American soldiers, who are devote "Christains" are going back to the Middle East, on their own, to fight the Evil ISIS Muslims. NOW that's got to be a first ! YEP, Sandy, the Christians are now "rising-up."<br /><br />Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-85437186796215142842015-02-25T09:39:26.992-05:002015-02-25T09:39:26.992-05:00For better OR worse, the information on the INTERN...For better OR worse, the information on the INTERNET is fast approching the TIME when NOTHING will be 100% verifiable anymore. There will NO longer be any actual TRUTH. Everything will be, to a certain degree, MYTH !<br /><br />Thus, it is NOW the time when everyone is racing to get THEIR version of a STORY in print. <br /><br />It is already established that the INTERNET is simply one BIG advertising "Click" MACHINE. Just ask MATT ?<br /><br />So the TRUTH is already just a measure of ENTERTAINMENT advertising. For God's sake - one only needs to open an eye - even the POPE and the president of the United States have a "commercial" website.<br /><br />YOU want some TRUTH before it's muddled forever ? Ask Steven Spielberg why HE will NEVER do a movie about the 1960s / Vietnam WAR / The Manson Family ?<br /><br />Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-44693022377055915412015-02-25T09:11:04.153-05:002015-02-25T09:11:04.153-05:00Poor Charlie. He's a living legend, the Most E...Poor Charlie. He's a living legend, the Most Evil Man in America, an Evil Messiah, the Man Who Killed The Sixties, sociopathic brainwasher of otherwise-innocent American youth - and here are you facts-and-evidence junkies trying to rob him of his laurels...MHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765688604319832245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-79849505838625432532015-02-24T17:02:46.196-05:002015-02-24T17:02:46.196-05:00Mr. Stimson, avoid confusing Vera with the facts. ...Mr. Stimson, avoid confusing Vera with the facts. That could be a very slippery slope. It never works and only serves to make her "snarkier".Suzehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17042563411146539890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-34064414074583430502015-02-24T16:34:05.350-05:002015-02-24T16:34:05.350-05:00"Hinman "not premeditated" because ..."Hinman "not premeditated" because they didn't go to Gary's to kill him and only decided to after Gary went back on his word? That's cute, George, I didn't realize the decision to kill because someone went back on their word doesn't constitute premeditation. Nice new legal definition to suit your purposes, but try using it in court."<br /><br />The decision to kill Gary Hinman for going back on his word certainly does indicate premeditation -- for Bobby Beausoleil. But it doesn't indicate it for Charles Manson, who was gone from the scene for quite some time before the decision was made to kill Hinman. He had no intention or foreknowledge that Hinman would be killed. <br /><br />"And Charlie knew Crowe wasn't dead. He told the cops that on July 28 when they paid their little "visit" to Spahn in a midnight miniraid." <br /><br />Echoing RH and PK, you're saying that Charlie had a conversation with police on July 28 wherein he gave the impression that he knew details about the shooting of Bernard Crowe? Did he just volunteer this information during an informal chat? I'd love to know your source for this contention.<br /><br />"He also knew he wasn't a Panther and there were no reports in any media of a Panther being killed in Griffith Park during the week Crowe was shot. All part of the myth created by Sandy, George, etc., to exonerate their hero. <br />Have one of your archivists do a little research, Patty-poo, and see if they can find the Griffith Park Panther murder report. They won't. It don't exist."<br /><br />You're right about no media reports about a black panther shooting (which certainly would have been big news) and I say as much on page 129 of my book. (Perhaps you missed that when you read it?) But whether it was a rumor that was misrepresented as a news report or a complete fabrication, the paranoia of the people at Spahn's Ranch was very great regarding black people after Manson shot Bernard Crowe. I heard this from people who were there. And that's a good enough source for me, because I was with those people long enough that I could evaluate their credibility, and I'm certain that they were being truthful. (Didn't you get that impression after talking with them?)<br /><br />As for "That's cute, George" and "All part of the myth created by Sandy, George, etc., to exonerate their hero." -- well, it's meant to be insulting, and it is. I haven't heard such childishness since the halcyon days of Bill Nelson. But it was stupid then and it's stupid now, because it detracts from the fundamental gravity of what we're dealing with here. People are dead. Other people are in prison forever. Still more people have had their personal lives devastated. To personalize the discussion here is juvenile and counter-productive. If you maintain a level of respect for your fellow posters you and your opinions will be more highly regarded. If you don't, they might think that you're just a snarky bitch.George Stimsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01335003151229883480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-36046031507614181582015-02-24T16:14:25.339-05:002015-02-24T16:14:25.339-05:00..and let's say Charlie did know Crowe was ali.....and let's say Charlie did know Crowe was alive. That might be even more reason to be scared shitless about a retaliation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-38840347022570879142015-02-24T16:12:55.958-05:002015-02-24T16:12:55.958-05:00Where are you pulling this information from, Vera?...Where are you pulling this information from, Vera? You're speaking in a matter of fact manner, but everything you say is assumption. The ONLY thing he told the cops when they showed up was that they anticipated an attack by the black panthers. He said nothing about a shooting. If you think Manson would tell the cops he shot somebody, you're an idiot. How do you Manson knew Crowe wasn't dead? By all accounts, he didn't. Just because you can't find a murder report from 1969, doesn't mean a thing. TJ the Terrible said he and Manson saw the news report. TJ was certainly a nut, but I don't think he was lying.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-67509830070599880832015-02-24T14:05:21.610-05:002015-02-24T14:05:21.610-05:00OMG ! Now it ALL makes sense.
July 28, 1969, the...OMG ! Now it ALL makes sense.<br /><br />July 28, 1969, the day after Gary Hinman's murder, Charlie Manson tells his CONTACT at LAPD he shot the black drug dealer Bernard Crow on July 1, 1969, BUT that Crow didn't die.<br /><br />Apparently HIS contact then instructed MANSON to, the next time, REALLY start "Helter Skelter" properly - with messages on the walls in blood, etc.<br /><br />LEGAL QUESTION: Is Charlie's LAPD contact considered a co-conspirator in connection with the TL murders.<br /><br />Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-41944737904787331522015-02-24T12:33:38.617-05:002015-02-24T12:33:38.617-05:00Vera, thank you for contributing to the discussion...Vera, thank you for contributing to the discussion for a change. Interesting stuff.Patty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-62132568708461741572015-02-24T11:57:00.832-05:002015-02-24T11:57:00.832-05:00Hinman "not premeditated" because they d...Hinman "not premeditated" because they didn't go to Gary's to kill him and only decided to after Gary went back on his word? That's cute, George, I didn't realize the decision to kill because someone went back on their word doesn't constitute premeditation. Nice new legal definition to suit your purposes, but try using it in court.<br />And Charlie knew Crowe wasn't dead. He told the cops that on July 28 when they paid their little "visit" to Spahn in a midnight miniraid. <br />He also knew he wasn't a Panther and there were no reports in any media of a Panther being killed in Griffith Park during the week Crowe was shot. All part of the myth created by Sandy, George, etc., to exonerate their hero. <br />Have one of your archivists do a little research, Patty-poo, and see if they can find the Griffith Park Panther murder report. They won't. It don't exist.<br />Vera Dreiserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16434785258950871234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-85554903704999237312015-02-24T10:57:22.242-05:002015-02-24T10:57:22.242-05:00Looks like JUST you and me Hump.
What keeps me th...Looks like JUST you and me Hump.<br /><br />What keeps me thinking is the fact that a 30 year old guy - who just spent HALF his life behind bars - risks going BACK to the shit-hole for some dope-head hickabilly's fuck-up (Re: B.Crow / Tex) BUT then if you look at the history of crime and criminals, that is the PATTERN !.<br /><br />There is something about PRISON that draws a certain breed IN.<br /><br />Is NOBODY - not even the government, interested in realizing what that ATTRACTION is ?<br /><br />Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-30048298660773321002015-02-23T12:31:22.676-05:002015-02-23T12:31:22.676-05:00Geez thanks Patty, this is pretty good stuff. It ...Geez thanks Patty, this is pretty good stuff. It makes me a little more open to the idea that Charlie wasn't necessarily pulling the strings. I never thought about the part of Bobby could have brought some of the drug back for Gary to test. But he doesn't have much to say about Cielo? Hmmm.Mr. Humphrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02574243483977353223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-19940685232060173522015-02-23T09:47:33.775-05:002015-02-23T09:47:33.775-05:00"Good morning Vietnam" AND welcome to NO..."Good morning Vietnam" AND welcome to NO sense makes sense !!!!!!!Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.com