tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post680101658791070425..comments2024-03-29T10:47:02.156-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Manson in MexicoMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger106125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-88732299618772423452023-05-11T15:02:06.170-04:002023-05-11T15:02:06.170-04:00A recent statement by Roger Smith's grandson s...A recent statement by Roger Smith's grandson seems to confirm that Manson and a few of the girls went to Mexico for a short visit while they still up in the Haight: "... Manson was living in Northern California and at one point visited Mexico and then came back to Northern California."<br /><br />From TomO's FB page:<br />https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=713010344163143&set=pcb.713010404163137starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-84216588948173104002023-01-08T17:29:56.155-05:002023-01-08T17:29:56.155-05:00Another tidbit, from the book 'The Manson Wome...Another tidbit, from the book 'The Manson Women, a "Family" Portrait', by Clara Livsey, c.1980<br /><br />pg133<br />"He(Charlie) reminisced about his stays in Mexico, telling me how once he gave a ring to an Indian. "Can you imagine," he said to me, "that now the Indian owns a ring that belonged to Manson!" He told me about the time in Mexico City when his landlady, a "big mother," took all his clothing because he was unable to pay his rent.starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-81615182049594792172020-10-29T14:27:49.284-04:002020-10-29T14:27:49.284-04:00Also this tidbit:
LADA Files Box54-2 pg2124
In...<br />Also this tidbit:<br /><br />LADA Files Box54-2 pg2124 <br />In May/June '69 Ella Jo went to Mexico<br /><br />Who did she go with? Did Charlie send them there? For what reason?starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-64328131560971430122020-10-29T01:37:56.980-04:002020-10-29T01:37:56.980-04:00Charlie was in Mexico (April - May 1960) at the sa...Charlie was in Mexico (April - May 1960) at the same time R. Gordon Wasson was doing his psilocybin / mushroom mind-control experiments there for the CIA in MK-Ultra Subproject 58. Then when Manson was handed over to the FBI in the Texas border town of Laredo on June 1st, he complained to the Federal judge (Frank Y. Hill) that he was missing memory and missing time from the past few weeks -- a tell-tale sign of MK-Ultra subjects.PaulHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02965666446497527968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-68008125714286231612019-09-04T08:24:15.034-04:002019-09-04T08:24:15.034-04:00Thanks for the update. I left a msg for O'Nei...Thanks for the update. I left a msg for O'Neill on his site regarding the timeline, though I doubt he will respond.starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-52238697354301344162019-09-04T03:25:54.669-04:002019-09-04T03:25:54.669-04:00Starviego, there's some info about Manson'...Starviego, there's some info about Manson's Mexico arrest here-<br /><br />https://www.mansonblog.com/2017/04/charles-manson-1959-1960.html<br /><br />He was arrested in June 1960 and turned over to US authorities at the border.DebShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093893870315262396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-81030747922919257312019-09-04T01:53:56.666-04:002019-09-04T01:53:56.666-04:00starviego said:
"The timeline is off, as Ch...starviego said: <br />"The timeline is off, as Charlie didn't get to Mexico until early 1960. But that's assuming the timeline is accurate."<br /><br />On page 480 of Tom O'Neill's Chaos, he writes "Manson filed a motion arguing that his 1959 arrest in Mexico..."<br /><br />1959? Maybe the timeline isn't so "off"!starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-22401213374979722452019-08-15T20:44:42.952-04:002019-08-15T20:44:42.952-04:00Did Manson go to Mexico in late '67?
Chaos b...Did Manson go to Mexico in late '67?<br /><br /><br />Chaos by Tom O'Neill<br />pg292<br />July, 1967: ...(PO Roger) Smith requested permission for Manson to travel to Mexico, where he would've been totally unsupervised, for a gig with a hotel band. '<br />"Manson is not to leave the Northern District of California," the parole board responded, noting that Manson's "history does not mention any employment as musician..."<br /><br />And yet, two weeks later, Smith tried again--he really wanted to send Manson to Mexico. He told the parole board that Manson had been offered a second job there by "a general distributor for the "Perma-Guard Corporation of Phoenix, Arizona named Mr. Dean Moorehouse..." The parole board rejected this second request, too. Interestingly, at the same time Smith made these requests, he'd launched a criminological study of Mexican drug trafficking for the federal government. He'd attempted to send Manson to Mazatlan, which was the main entry port city of Sinaloa, the drug trafficking capital of Central America in the 1960s. ....<br /><br />Roger Smith: "Yes, I was doing research on Mexican drug trafficking at the same time I was trying to send him there." .....<br /><br />After those two Mexico requests, Smith generated only two more documents regarding Manson for another five months. Both were simple form letters authorizing Manson to travel to Florida to meet with "recording agents." .... there's no sign that Manson and the Family ever actually went to Florida. If they went anywhere, the only available evidence suggests, it was to Mexico. .... Later, probation reports noted that Atkins and Mary Brunner had said they spent quite a bit of time in Mexico with Manson that winter. Otherwise, their whereabouts for November and December 1967 are entirely unaccounted for.<br /><br />starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-61154255720525721892019-03-18T18:47:31.678-04:002019-03-18T18:47:31.678-04:00Unknown, that's because you are low informatio...Unknown, that's because you are low information, Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10341912936545924770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-49934858592595070672019-03-18T02:48:44.285-04:002019-03-18T02:48:44.285-04:00It's fascinating ..He could talk for hours and...It's fascinating ..He could talk for hours and say absolutely nothingAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01303634864059309789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-35230200242892129822019-03-12T23:54:45.022-04:002019-03-12T23:54:45.022-04:00
This version has Manson hospitalized in Mexico:
...<br />This version has Manson hospitalized in Mexico:<br /><br />https://www.stlmag.com/news/years-of-chat-with-charles-manson/<br />“He fell off a cliff and cracked his head open on a rock in Mexico,” Dickerson says. “There was a parrot at the hospital, for some reason, and he taught the parrot how to say ‘motherf--ker.’ He said he regrets that as well. Because as he was leaving the hospital, that parrot was flying up and down the hall screaming, ‘Motherf--ker!’”starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-80565032593103066692019-02-08T11:41:12.991-05:002019-02-08T11:41:12.991-05:00Proteus Proteus Vee Holthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04655775951112429609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-48782724367621823102019-02-08T11:40:29.522-05:002019-02-08T11:40:29.522-05:00I agree w that Proteins!+I agree w that Proteins!+Vee Holthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04655775951112429609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-68136837870421405532019-02-08T11:01:07.433-05:002019-02-08T11:01:07.433-05:00Maybe he learned Spanish in prison ...Maybe he learned Spanish in prison ...Vee Holthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04655775951112429609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-86738380626095257072019-02-04T20:15:34.363-05:002019-02-04T20:15:34.363-05:00Charles Manson, apprentice matador? That is a new...Charles Manson, apprentice matador? That is a new one...Milly Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03612495681178122993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-86260968759587792072019-02-04T18:24:00.468-05:002019-02-04T18:24:00.468-05:00For all you PC over educated Manson blogger snobs....For all you PC over educated Manson blogger snobs...Charlie has said in interviews that he trained to be a bull fighter, but decided against it, and yes he has spoken in Spanish in prison interviews, also Matt, Rubin Hurricane Carter was FRAMED just like BILL COSBY was FRAMED...Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10341912936545924770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-77062652501483730952019-02-04T07:28:25.217-05:002019-02-04T07:28:25.217-05:00starviego said...
Bottom line: I don't bel... starviego said...<br /><br /> <b>Bottom line: I don't believe Manson ever did any mushrooms back in 1960</b><br /><br />Neither do I. I've never read or heard anyone undergoing a first mushroom trip say that they were not in some way affected by their journey to 'the other world.' If Charlie was doing mushrooms with Mexicans back in the day, it's a fair bet that they would have been giving him pretty potent shrooms and it's doubtful that he would not have commented on it, rather like he did his first acid excursion. <i>That's</i> the experience that took him to the other side of his mind and seemed to shine a light into things that up until then had made little sense to him.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-83620786846029275402019-02-03T21:39:47.966-05:002019-02-03T21:39:47.966-05:00Chris Till said...
"As far as, "And ...Chris Till said...<br /> "As far as, "And it's also kind of strange that Charlie would have even known about psychedelic mushrooms as far back as 1960, much less go out of his way to seek them out," my understanding is that Wasson's 1957 "Life" magazine article made quite a splash at the time."<br /><br />The point is that Charlie didn't seem to be particularly interested in drugs at all before his trip to Mexico. But then he allegedly makes a pilgrimage to Mexico to get the psychedelic experience. But oddly he doesn't comment at all about his 'trip.' If he enjoyed it or not, on how it opened his mind, etc.<br /><br />Bottom line: I don't believe Manson ever did any mushrooms back in 1960. starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-28260134756729512612019-02-03T19:44:35.885-05:002019-02-03T19:44:35.885-05:00Proteus said...
I have never known him target any... Proteus said...<br /><br /><b>I have never known him target anyone who was undeserving</b><br /><br />Dennis LaCalandra, Robert Hendrickson, Dreath/David, Matt, Panamint Patty and Austin Anne, to name but a fraction off the top of my head. It's a long list, almost 1950s FBI~ish in its scope and tenacity !<br /><br />Milly James said...<br /><br /> <b>I'm uncomfortable with someone being subjected to that level of vitriol</b><br /><br />If it helps at all, passions and patience sometimes do get stretched around here. When I first landed on these pages back in 2015, it seemed at times like pit bull fighting. But after a while and a judicious look through the archives of this and other sites {and the discovery that lots of the same people frequented different sites} I began to piece together how the various relationships had developed and it made a lot of sense when one person might then speak to another in a particular way, be it secretive, sneaky, sweet or sharp.<br />It's not for the fainthearted but it is worth sticking around.<br />And ColScott is actually one of the easiest people to handle around these parts. I think of him as the bus 324 as opposed to the 183 {one has to go a lot further to catch the 183}.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-14842751780319830752019-02-03T06:59:08.814-05:002019-02-03T06:59:08.814-05:00Milly
The Col has his style, and has in fact mell...<b>Milly</b><br /><br />The Col has his style, and has in fact mellowed considerably, although tolerance is not one of his virtues. <br /><br />He can be forgiven this, however, for his knowledge and perspicacity. He does have one or two bees in his bonnet (milkmen figure strongly) but is prepared to change his outspoken views in light of fresh supporting evidence (e.g his views on BB). <br /><br />In short, it's worth getting used to him and his ways: he is very often right, and I have never known him target anyone who was undeserving.<br /><br />My ¢2.Proteushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15876956793409494986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-32224883585385371392019-02-03T00:56:31.983-05:002019-02-03T00:56:31.983-05:00Milly- Thank you for your comment. Do you know th...Milly- Thank you for your comment. Do you know that twenty years from now people who have taken fotos in MAGA hats will be mercilessly hounded out of their homes and into the streets, forced to live on cold steam? And rightfully so. Mario needs mental health assistance. Until he does he is NOT a human being he is a damaged animal in need of institutionalization. You seem like a nice, empathetic person. There are demons in the world that want to hurt us. Mario is a demon.<br /><br />-----<br />Dear deluded demon,<br /><br />I never attacked you to start with. So that IS a lie. I answered both your refrains with one seven word sentence. <br /><br />I noticed you were babbling and drooling and claimed Oliver Stone committed a crime. Well you sort of did, you were incoherent AF and seemed possibly a "slow" Depends wearing adult. I asked you if you were in fact accusing Oliver of something so I could alert him to alert his lawyers. This is NOT an attack. If you were accusing him and doing it truthfully you had zero to worry about. If you were lying and making shit up like a "ahem" deranged lunatic then you would have something to worry about- but you say you never lie so you are fine!<br /><br />TRIGGER WARNING FOR MILLY et al<br /><br />Mario- I hear that gargling with Drano while chewing a Tide Pod can help your condition. Free advice LMK if it works out.<br />ColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-64081765441019856832019-02-02T22:54:49.106-05:002019-02-02T22:54:49.106-05:00MGN3,
No sir. You arrived asking questions off to...MGN3,<br /><br />No sir. You arrived asking questions off topic. You may comment here all you want on the topic. But what you have done here is not o.k. <br /><br />Go back to your first comment. Oliver Stone is not a topic here. Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-89521545378868552282019-02-02T22:05:15.057-05:002019-02-02T22:05:15.057-05:00David, the lawyer.
Don Murphy first started trash...David, the lawyer.<br /><br />Don Murphy first started trashing me. I responded and defended myself.<br /><br />OK. I'm through commenting on this blog. Thank you Matt for letting me comment.<br /><br />Mario George Nitrini 111<br />------<br />The OJ Simpson CaseMario George Nitrini 111https://www.blogger.com/profile/07725381781681275624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-18642488393611065592019-02-02T21:41:27.285-05:002019-02-02T21:41:27.285-05:00MGN3,
You are using this blog for your agenda. St...MGN3,<br /><br />You are using this blog for your agenda. Stop now.<br /><br />Yes.... or else.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-64632708204456507372019-02-02T21:27:05.066-05:002019-02-02T21:27:05.066-05:00Mr Murphy.
Can you name 1 lie I've said on thi...Mr Murphy.<br />Can you name 1 lie I've said on this blog? NO YOU CAN'T....<br />You're the one who's lying Mr Murphy by you saying this:<br /><br />"His lies and distractions take away from the work we need to do"<br /><br />Mario George Nitrini 111<br />-----<br />The OJ Simpson CaseMario George Nitrini 111https://www.blogger.com/profile/07725381781681275624noreply@blogger.com