tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post6871032503770079804..comments2024-03-18T15:40:57.986-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: The End of an EraMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger90125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-88967622484903679702021-02-02T07:49:54.681-05:002021-02-02T07:49:54.681-05:00This Saint dude has more farewell tours than Elton...This Saint dude has more farewell tours than Elton John.Tragical History Tourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16419266493227241434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-6242766798017537612018-01-02T00:09:15.684-05:002018-01-02T00:09:15.684-05:00MacyGrant said...
I would have never posted h... MacyGrant said...<br /><br /> <b>I would have never posted here while Manson was still alive</b><br /><br />Why ?grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-7254883822936043692017-12-30T15:27:49.441-05:002017-12-30T15:27:49.441-05:00Things are actually better now, that Manson is dea...Things are actually better now, that Manson is dead. They were not allowing him to have any interviewers or contact the press anyway, and now one can enjoy without feeling guilty. I would have never posted here while Manson was still alive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-5347939224243288362017-12-21T00:58:27.065-05:002017-12-21T00:58:27.065-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Fiddy 8https://www.blogger.com/profile/13633505037758578259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-89492217448510707172017-12-21T00:25:17.960-05:002017-12-21T00:25:17.960-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Fiddy 8https://www.blogger.com/profile/13633505037758578259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-82655419213060175952017-12-21T00:17:17.894-05:002017-12-21T00:17:17.894-05:00It's all the same songIt's all the same songFiddy 8https://www.blogger.com/profile/13633505037758578259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-66838924620119839282017-12-20T06:19:18.975-05:002017-12-20T06:19:18.975-05:00Sorry to see you go Saint. I could always count on...Sorry to see you go Saint. I could always count on you and will remember you most for railing against the Girls & Charlie for “singing and dancing and otherwise acting a fool in court and in the hallways in front of the victims’ families. It always made me nod in approval and laugh. <br /><br />So take care & here’s a little quote from Charlie about reaching the end of the line for you… <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />All the songs, have been sung. And all the saints, have been hung. The wars and cries have been wailed. And all the people have been jailed<br />Charles Manson ~ Eyes of a Dreamer<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-36423461380926467052017-12-19T04:15:42.767-05:002017-12-19T04:15:42.767-05:00St
As someone who only recently joined into the ...St <br /><br />As someone who only recently joined into the active conversation here - but have followed on/off for a few years - thank you for your contributions to this (and other) sites. Also, for being objective and resilient enough to endure for so long.<br /><br />I too hope to see you pop in on occasion. Most of all though, I want you to do what's best for you - and, to enjoy whatever that may be.<br /><br />Cheers <br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17388908256992077315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-4865640529465236782017-12-18T22:39:12.541-05:002017-12-18T22:39:12.541-05:00Saint,
I admit I waited to post this until today...Saint, <br /><br />I admit I waited to post this until today and don't expect a response. <br /><br />I, for one, will be very sad to see you go. Unlike my 'evidentiary' posts your posts always had a 'human' or even 'editorial' quality to them. You made me think. You cared less about the technicalities of LVH's parole than whether she SHOULD be paroled, etc. <br /><br />I can honestly say it was one of your posts- way back there- that caused me to buck up, swallow my fear and send a post to Matt. <br /><br />In conclusion I will say only this: Well done sir! Well done!<br /><br />And ...Happy Holidays to you and yours.<br /><br />DreathDavidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-27293133739517010092017-12-18T14:57:23.461-05:002017-12-18T14:57:23.461-05:00Hey Bobby. One last final comment for you because ...Hey Bobby. One last final comment for you because I always really liked you. I am on my way out and really can't spend any more time on this but didn't want to ignore you. <br /><br />Yes this was my first site. This site evolved from Evil Liz and Matt invited me there from the Col site. I wrote my first post called Saints and Demons for Matt. I did contribute on a couple of other sites and appreciate Thelma and Louise, Cats Cradle , LSB3 and the others who let me participate as well. I didn't want to turn my post into a tribute to myself and go crazy so I only mentioned the few relevant people on this site as it has been the only one I have been involved with for several years. I hope that is better and you or no one is offended. Never my intention. I am grateful for all I encountered. The positive people motivated me and the negative people challenged me. It's all good and Im grateful to have had a chance to compare notes with you all. Peace and happy holidays!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-89202506547669066392017-12-18T14:36:27.308-05:002017-12-18T14:36:27.308-05:00Rick C said:
::::::::::::::::::And thank God that...Rick C said:<br /><br />::::::::::::::::::And thank God that era has ended; if you mean the inclusion of Charles Manson made this world better. What did this man add to anyone or anything of a positive nature? Not a damn thing.:::::::::::::::<br /><br />---------------------------------------<br /><br />Tony Montana said:<br /><br />::::::::What you lookin' at? You all a bunch of fuckin' assholes. You know why? You don't have the guts to be what you wanna be. You need people like me. You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie. Me, I don't have that problem. Me, I always tell the truth. Even when I lie. So say good night to the bad guy! Come on. The last time you gonna see a bad guy like this again, let me tell you. Come on. Make way for the bad guy.::::::::::Fiddy 8https://www.blogger.com/profile/13633505037758578259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-34927132756883576492017-12-18T11:15:41.976-05:002017-12-18T11:15:41.976-05:00This showed up in my youtube recommendations list....This showed up in my youtube recommendations list. Interesting. <br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1k107Szw_wZelda Formaldehydehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02858067536737717388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-79937703885927485182017-12-17T20:45:00.278-05:002017-12-17T20:45:00.278-05:00Wow , St. You didn't start your distinguished ...Wow , St. You didn't start your distinguished carrier here on this site. I think you owe some one else an equal tribute and thanks especially if you are really done. I meant every word of my thanks to you. You need to address another blog and that owner then go enjoy your holidays. BobBobbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10389583431989189659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-68637293199739713902017-12-17T08:23:11.684-05:002017-12-17T08:23:11.684-05:00Hey All. Heading out of town for the Holidays! Jus...Hey All. Heading out of town for the Holidays! Just wanted to take one final minute to say goodbye and thanks...<br /><br />For all of the comments good and bad. Thanks for reading and participating :)<br /><br />To all of the people who have been so nice to me- I really appreciated the kind words- it meant alot:)<br /><br />To Patty, Ann, Deb and Dreath for letting me be a part of the blog and a pseudo- member of the family :)<br /><br />To the Col- meeting you made every second of it all worthwhile. It was the highlight of my experience on this blog and with this community.<br /><br />Most of all to Matt- You sent me the link and the invitation to, what would become this blog lol, that got it all started. A rare thing online- you have been an amazing friend. Thank you for everything :)<br /><br /> <br />Try not to kill each other over this stuff. It was a sick, disgusting murder that happened a long time ago. Blurring the lines is o.k. as long as you do not cross the line. I hope you all stay on the right side of your line :) And remember, "when you look too long into the abyss- the abyss starts to look back into you"<br /><br />or something like that lol ( even I always thought those quotes were silly)<br /><br />Happy Holidays, and New Years!! I hope to you all have an amazing Holiday season and that 2018 is your Year!!<br /><br />-James<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-11677816162623421362017-12-17T01:06:40.493-05:002017-12-17T01:06:40.493-05:00Manson got DeDe Lansbury off heroin, don't kno...Manson got DeDe Lansbury off heroin, don't know if it counts for much, but this is something good he did. He also warned girls off the Haight because of the violence, and threw his buddies guns and knives off the Golden Gate Bridge so violence would not come from them.beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-67223835348764900052017-12-16T09:23:31.744-05:002017-12-16T09:23:31.744-05:00Also. Something being overlooked is that the psych...Also. Something being overlooked is that the psychologolists did listen to the tapes and the court ultimately ruled that Leslie was competent to stand trial. Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08760641498649508874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-19497041469058420362017-12-16T09:19:26.634-05:002017-12-16T09:19:26.634-05:00I'm not so sure that the fear was that Charlie...I'm not so sure that the fear was that Charlie would some how get to them and harm them as it was that they would be ostracized from the Family. Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08760641498649508874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-22018380790106051292017-12-15T23:48:13.510-05:002017-12-15T23:48:13.510-05:00Rick C said...
if you mean the inclusion of C... Rick C said...<br /><br /> <b>if you mean the inclusion of Charles Manson made this world better. What did this man add to anyone or anything of a positive nature? Not a damn thing</b><br /><br />I don't think that's true of him. He did do some positive things. Just not enough or consistently. grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-85330815762147530532017-12-15T23:03:40.097-05:002017-12-15T23:03:40.097-05:00Brian G said...
I've always wondered if t... Brian G said...<br /><br /> <b>I've always wondered if the intention was to start a race war it would have been done very easily in the late 60s by killing a couple black family's. How do you start a race war by a bunch of whites killing a bunch of whites? LMAO!Very weak</b><br /><br />There's no logical accounting for what goes on in the mind of another person. Saying "this is how it should have happened" doesn't really go anywhere. It's like saying "how can you think that person is beautiful ?" when <i>you</i> don't.<br />Fights, and by extension, wars, begin in all manner of ways. Was it daft ? Yes. Was it understandable ? If you think deeply about Charles Manon and the USA, very.<br /><br /> <b>Now if Tex had gutted a pregnant black lady and all her friends and a middle aged couple that were black and carved war in there chest I could very easily see Watts burning again retalations etc. But somehow whites killing whites was supposed to get blacks all worked up?</b><br /><br />But you are not the person that had the visions in your mind so you're not really in a position to dictate how everything should have gone.<br /><br /><b>i believe he covered up alot in the sirhan case to but I maybe mistaken</b><br /><br />I have a Penthouse interview that he does on this and I'm happy to send you a copy so you can check that for yourself. <br /><br /><b>I don't think Polanski was looked at enough</b><br /><br />Do you know something hot that we don't ?<br /><br /><b>Also which star said no one in LA was surprised by these murders? Why?</b><br /><br />The fact that celebs weren't surprised by the murders hardly makes their commission to start the process of America's downfall a false one.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-38396623528758858052017-12-15T22:39:38.294-05:002017-12-15T22:39:38.294-05:00Brian G said...
But no not until Part became invo...Brian G said...<br /><br /><b>But no not until Part became involved did this story emerge</b><br /><br />Because there was no need to spill the beans prior to that point. They were told by Charlie not to give up anything to the authorities ~ and Susan didn't. She told her story to some cellmates that she hadn't expected to go to LE with.<br /><br /> <b>What did Leslie testify to? It was a bunch of lies Part coached her through for an insanity plea</b><br /><br />You give Part way too much credit for inventing in a couple of sessions what Charlie had taken 18 months to inculcate. What Leslie said chimed with so many different people, including people like Al Springer, Ronnie Howard, Virginia Graham and Greg Jacobson that weren't even in the Family and people like Brooks Poston, Paul Watkins and years later, Juanita Wildbush, who had left the Family.<br /><br /> <b>She said this. Her Leslie</b><br /><br />Yes. During the penalty phase when she was lying for Monrovia. She could have gotten Olympic gold with that performance.<br /><br /> <b>What more do you want?</b> <br /><br />Context.<br /><br /><b>She fired this lawyer over this and Part fought hard to stay on because he had a tape that proved she was insane beyond science fiction</b> <br /><br />Let's take this once more.<br />Marvin Part becomes Leslie's court appointed lawyer.<br />Part talks to Leslie. In talking to her, she tells him things that are too incredible and he concludes that she should not be standing trial if she genuinely thinks these things because she's <i>gone clear</i>.<br />He says that he is going to make a tape so that the Judge can hear it and agree that she can't go on trial. Part, having listened and talked to Leslie, knows what sort of questions to ask to elicit the full range of what he considers to be her insane state of mind.<br /><i>Leslie agrees</i>.<br />They make the tape. In the tape he makes mention of <i>things they've talked about before</i>.<br />Leslie is happy to leave things with Part until Squeaky and Gypsy start running Charlie messages to her and the shutters come down. Exactly the same thing happened with Pat. Pat was scared of Charlie and was afraid he'd find and kill her. She was fighting extradition until she was found in Mobile and persuaded to come to LA to engage in a joint defence.<br />Exactly the same thing happened to Susan. She recanted her testimony. Charlie was effective in bulldozing those 3. It sank them.<br />Anyway, Leslie fires Part, takes on nothing but Charlie lawyers, lies on the stand....and is still in prison.<br /><br /><b>The agenda was clear here and the defendant herself under oath said it was a bunch of BS</b><br /><br />The defendant under oath pleaded not guilty ! <br />Then said she was involved in a murder she wasn't. <br />Like I said earlier, people lie.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-67920412665232346192017-12-15T22:39:09.422-05:002017-12-15T22:39:09.422-05:00Brian G said...
You can't tell me that no o...Brian G said...<br /><br /> <b>You can't tell me that no one had heard Sadie's story at that point</b><br /><br />If you mean the point at which Leslie made the tape, then no one is saying no one had heard her story. The Grand Jury had delivered indictments by then. The 2 nights of murder story was in the papers by then. Was HS as laid out by Leslie in either her Caballero tape, the Grand Jury testimony or the newspaper story ? No, it was not.<br /><br /><b>She had a meeting with her lawyers at there office which is completely unheard of by the way.Her attorney was present,LE,VB etc</b><br /><br />Yeah, with <i>her</i> lawyer. Marvin Part wasn't there. I don't even think he was Leslie's man at the start of December, I think Donald Barnett was.<br /><br /><br /> <b>Not to mention all the snitches Sadie told her HS fantasy to</b><br /><br />She spoke of the murders to, principally, Virginia Graham & Ronnie Howard. In '71 Nancy Jordon came out and told Laurence Merrick that Sadie had told her she'd killed Sharon Tate. It appears in Robert Hendrickson's book "Death to pigs" ~ but there was nothing about HS told to her. And neither Graham nor Howard understood HS fully. They picked up snippets but were far more rapt with the tales of murder. Comparing what they picked up from Sadie in their police interviews with Leslie's salvo to Part is like comparing an embryo with an old age pensioner. She mentioned bits and pieces to people in jail like Kit Fletcher and Roseanne Walker but HS ?<br /><br /><b>As well as corrections officers probably gossiping and family members that were visiting LVH and Sadie</b><br /><br />I don't dispute that corrections officers and Police could've been talking among themselves, but the focus was on "bloody hell, Sharon Tate's killer !" not on HS, the significance of which, no one had grasped at that time. Why do you think Bugliosi gets slated for the HS theory if it was common knowledge in '69 ? He even faced opposition for it from his lead prosecutor.<br /><br /> <b>Part absolutely had knowledge of what story Sadie was going with. It's naive to think otherwise</b><br /><br />Why would Leslie need Part to fill her head with Sadie's story when she had been there herself ? And did you know that in her tape made with Caballero, she does not mention HS once, except to say that it was written on the fridge. <br /><br />grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-24158652162527933502017-12-15T21:48:13.105-05:002017-12-15T21:48:13.105-05:00Thanks I'm reviewing this information. It'...Thanks I'm reviewing this information. It's nice to have someone rationally provide material to review.Class act and incredible site you have.By far the most informative site on the subject.Not knocking this site this is the best for blogging bit for research/archives outstandingBrian Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16414617578066378757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-55734370040015229822017-12-15T21:39:20.748-05:002017-12-15T21:39:20.748-05:00Ok so she's a liar. But the Part tape is gospe...Ok so she's a liar. But the Part tape is gospel? She was obviously tripping when she testified and all the questions about her family , boyfriend,commune,beating her adopted sisters and the dealings with Part seemed sincere. She then got hostile talking about the crimes said she was at Hinman an several lies. I think she told the truth about Part. There was really no benefit in lying about that. It's an opinion I don't need to be ridiculed I respect that you think she lied. All goodBrian Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16414617578066378757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-34293450156386926912017-12-15T20:51:31.468-05:002017-12-15T20:51:31.468-05:00David said:
"If I knew the way I would take ...David said: <br />"If I knew the way I would take you home."<br /><br />response:<br />Now my sails are fillin' and the wind is willin'<br />And I'm as good as gone again<br /><br />I'm still walkin', so I'm sure that I can dance<br />Just a Saint of Circumstance, just a tiger in a trance<br />And the rain fallin' down, well, you never know, just don't know<br />Listen, sure don't know what I going for, but I'm gonna go for it for sureMr. Humphrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18206702171683458150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-41280824040153382352017-12-15T18:23:58.511-05:002017-12-15T18:23:58.511-05:00Manson was Patty's matchmaker in a weird way, ...Manson was Patty's matchmaker in a weird way, so she'll give him that.Patty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.com