tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post7155908944948277780..comments2024-03-28T23:53:16.262-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Who Was Mark Ross? Argosy May 1970Matthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-11564364880335968652018-08-13T12:24:45.051-04:002018-08-13T12:24:45.051-04:00It wasn't unusual for adults not to have ss #&...It wasn't unusual for adults not to have ss #'s till much later in life.If you worked for county or state gov.agencies you paid no ss tax then or under the table.Half the states had no photo license and auto insurance wasn't mandatory in most states. I self insured with a bond.<br />That is definitely the back ranch building in the mag photo. I don't recognize the photo in the room unless that's the western prop bldg. That back ranch became an after hours or illegal bar around Sept 1968 and the Family got kicked off by Ruby Pearl when the Sheriff found out. The cadet was a solid frame snubnose that was extremely popular as a bootgun in California.In 1968 you could buy newer handguns across state lines. Ross was lucky he wasn't poisoned and buried. Everyone in Chatsworth saw the Family as dumpster diving devils on LSD.Down the White Rabbit Hole!.....Feed your head and wake up dead!'60'schatsworthvisitorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02328507212220653810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-36064956233699460472013-05-08T12:54:40.252-04:002013-05-08T12:54:40.252-04:00Gina I am not sure why some deceased people are no...Gina I am not sure why some deceased people are not listed in the Social Security Death Index. Zero is not the only person that I have run across that is not listed.<br /><br />Sometimes a person is listed but in such a way that they are difficult to find. An example would be Rosalie and Charles Manson's son, Charles Manson Jr.<br /><br />He changed his name to Charles Jay White to begin with but for some reason he is listed in the SSDI as CJ White.<br /><br />I have eight victims on my website that were killed in 1972 and 1973. Their murders are unsolved. One victim was never found, nor declared dead and one victim is a Jane Doe so you would not expect not find either of them in the SSDI. But none of the other six victims are listed in the SSDI either. So as I said it's not unusual.<br /><br />John Phillip Haught is listed in the California Death Index and the record even gives his SSN.<br /><br /><br />California, Death Index, 1940-1997 about John P Haught<br />Name: John P Haught <br />Social Security #: 275448726<br />Gender: Male<br />Birth Date: 20 Apr 1947<br />Death Date: 5 Nov 1969<br />Death Place: Los Angeles<br />Mother's Maiden Name: Boyles<br /><br />He is also at Find A Grave-<br />http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=HAU&GSpartial=1&GSbyrel=all&GSst=37&GScntry=4&GSsr=2201&GRid=7429077&DebShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093893870315262396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-10332294113158279452013-05-08T07:20:11.808-04:002013-05-08T07:20:11.808-04:00Hi, it sounds like you are really good at research...Hi, it sounds like you are really good at research. What do you think about the fact that there is no record of Zero dying, according to the Social Security Death Index?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17086386649634271325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-84326533429433510762013-04-09T18:43:33.376-04:002013-04-09T18:43:33.376-04:00I just recently finished reading Death to Pigs it ...I just recently finished reading Death to Pigs it was indeed Mark Ross who introduced Hendrickson to the remaining family members and helped with the MANSON filmAjerseydevilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02307773867621679673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-50543132971261558052013-04-09T13:48:22.727-04:002013-04-09T13:48:22.727-04:00thanks for clearing that up for us, col.thanks for clearing that up for us, col.Patty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-36400512913213424782013-04-09T09:55:11.049-04:002013-04-09T09:55:11.049-04:00the Col talks to Nancy???
Now that is what I call ...the Col talks to Nancy???<br />Now that is what I call interesting info. Has he expanded on that in any of his threads?leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-60897747351383318772013-04-09T02:16:30.489-04:002013-04-09T02:16:30.489-04:00No Col said no movie was happening
Lo's was es...No Col said no movie was happening<br />Lo's was especially shitty<br />and Wyman said Nancy was consulting but Nancy told me it was BSColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-13480814421776540822013-04-08T22:08:20.528-04:002013-04-08T22:08:20.528-04:00Leary, Patty remembers the Colonel saying that Nan...Leary, Patty remembers the Colonel saying that Nancy was Susanna Lo's "consultant." You can probably find it over there if you dig a little bit, it was in late 2010 if Patty's memory serves her well.Patty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-44296101128034382442013-04-08T20:11:38.140-04:002013-04-08T20:11:38.140-04:00that's news to me Lauren. Which Girls film, th...that's news to me Lauren. Which Girls film, the Sappho slanted one? I can't see her doing that. Must be the other one.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-87473438689355300212013-04-08T19:53:27.754-04:002013-04-08T19:53:27.754-04:00I commend Gypsy for being a normal women. She look...I commend Gypsy for being a normal women. She looks great, and is profiting off her past, which is something Id like to do. BUT... she continues to not own up to her willingness in the family and better yet.. her complete criminal past. The family never forced her to yell in court, the time she got contempt of court. She followed Como during the Hawthorne shootout. Then after she was released, she got herself into a credit card scam. <br /><br />Nancys working as a consultant on the Manson girl film, but Im sure theres a reason why shes not talking. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16392890925888602526noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-30379874572624463662013-04-08T19:47:11.476-04:002013-04-08T19:47:11.476-04:00it is amazing though, isn't it, that 44 years ...it is amazing though, isn't it, that 44 years after the event none of the Family core members seem willing to be up front and on the record about events nearly a half century ago. You have to wonder how different that might be if Manson were dead.<br />Yeah, I know Tex and Sadie and Squeaky and Watkins wrote their books but I am talking about legit Family members answering direct questions.<br />I rub the genie bottle every night hoping there is something on the Tex Tapes that will get the likes of Pitman and Brunner etc under the lights once more just for history sake.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-40079389327937609552013-04-08T19:38:47.763-04:002013-04-08T19:38:47.763-04:00as usual, you bring up the most interesting stuff,...as usual, you bring up the most interesting stuff, Deb. Since Gypsy has shown a willingness to talk over the past couple of decades it would seem she would be the one to try and talk to about Ross since she is pictured with him. Does anyone in the TLB community have a direct line to Gypsy?<br />Wouldn't that just be the balls to have an anonymous source who was a verified Family member to run these type questions by. It's a damn shame both TJ and Paul Watkins are gone as they probably would have been cooperative.<br />Come on Matt, put Gypsy or Cappy on retainer. <br />Just dreaming.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-75653901646384998742013-04-08T19:15:23.832-04:002013-04-08T19:15:23.832-04:00Farf I think what your saying is that you do not b...Farf I think what your saying is that you do not believe that the person pictured in the Argosy article is who we know as Mark Ross, that he is a different person who has the same penchant for paisley shirts and stupid looking hats. I respectfully disagree. <br /><br />It's not the first time that I've been told that the person in the Argosy article isn't Mark Ross and I think that is because Ross was not known to be anywhere near the Family from May to October 1968. I think the person pictured is Ross spouting someone else's story.<br /><br />I do think that Mark Ross could have been Mark Rosen born in LA 2-27-45 and Christianized his name, perhaps legally, but changed it back after he'd gotten the Family taint all over himself. DebShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093893870315262396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-31162063892404802792013-04-08T17:41:29.859-04:002013-04-08T17:41:29.859-04:00Dang he looks like the kind of guy I would bring h...Dang he looks like the kind of guy I would bring home in high school to piss off my parents! :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16009456011572039914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-85105649211741675082013-04-08T16:12:08.127-04:002013-04-08T16:12:08.127-04:00And here is what I've always wondered about Ma...And here is what I've always wondered about Mark Ross - could the "actor friend from New York" that was supposed to facilitate an introduction to a "producer friend" for Voytek Frykowski in the last week of his life, allegedly named Mark Fine, really have been Mark Ross? I have always wanted to read all the police interview sheets, if they still exist, to find a way to rule the possibility out. Or in...Trilbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01441933071553215934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-9401482337186313092013-04-08T14:07:21.545-04:002013-04-08T14:07:21.545-04:00There may be a bit of cross information regarding ...There may be a bit of cross information regarding Y. Lee (wily: def – CRAFTY) Freeman (very clever) and Mark Ross.<br /><br />Y. Lee is likely the person in the ‘Argosy’ photographs.<br /><br />The first three images ‘sherm maniac’ posted above feature Mark Ross wearing an equally impressive beard and sporting a similar Paisley patterned shirt. Here are some source images to compare and contrast:<br /><br /> <a href="http://www.apimages.com/search.aspx?st=k&cfas=person_featured_name&person_featured_name=%22mark%20ross%22&id=411470&showact=results&sort=date&sh=10&kwstyle=or&dbm=panorama&adte=1300308355&ish=x&dah=-1&pagez=60&cfasstyle=and&" rel="nofollow"> Mark Ross </a><br /><br />I assumed the Mark Ross name as being somewhat credible since the handgun used in Haught’s suicide was known to be registered to Ross since 1966, according to the police report.<br /><br />One of the girls said that Haught spun the cylinder, and shot himself with the Iver Johnson Cadet. I’m no expert on guns, but does anyone know if a person can even ‘spin’ the cylinder on that type of weapon? Isn’t it a ‘Top Break’ type cylinder?Farflunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17723130825592879022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-64490672242666318962013-04-08T11:49:52.157-04:002013-04-08T11:49:52.157-04:00Deb, Mr. Hendrickson is a very kind and approachab...Deb, Mr. Hendrickson is a very kind and approachable fellow. I'm sure if you got in touch with him he would tell you what he knows about Mark. Patty is pretty sure that Mark was not a "Cutter," but she's been wrong before...LOLPatty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-51261790765415593832013-04-08T09:43:09.617-04:002013-04-08T09:43:09.617-04:00Yep- Col is right the Second Hendrickson Documneta...Yep- Col is right the Second Hendrickson Documnetary<br /><br />"Inside the Manson Gang"<br /><br />Covers this and explains Hendricksons connection to Ross...St. Circumstancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15415891591944887206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-87674649322187476312013-04-08T06:17:02.647-04:002013-04-08T06:17:02.647-04:00http://cielodrive.com/images/gallery/catherine-gil...http://cielodrive.com/images/gallery/catherine-gillies/07.jpg<br /><br />http://cielodrive.com/images/gallery/nancy-pitman/03.jpg<br /><br />http://cielodrive.com/images/gallery/nancy-pitman/06.jpg<br /><br />http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wkoLldBCc5M/UKKeRJD8_fI/AAAAAAAADHU/f5PYvMeFuLI/s1600/Argosy+Magazine+May+1970+003.jpg<br /><br />I think two of those pictures were taken on the same day, so that excuses things a little, but...<br /><br />Did this guy only own one shirt, or was this just his 'dress' shirt he used for photographs? It IS pretty snappy, but regardless... it really doesn't help cure my prejudices about hippies being dirty smelly filthy-clothed nogoodniks. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02286194080216319019noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-87757161407666190872013-04-08T03:46:26.278-04:002013-04-08T03:46:26.278-04:00You need to watch the second Hendrickson movie
Mar...You need to watch the second Hendrickson movie<br />Mark Ross is real<br />Mark Ross was starring in a movie Hendrickson was making about Jesus come back as a hippie<br />Mark introduced then to Mansonites<br />They started recording, then the murders happenedColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.com