tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post7415988013311188120..comments2024-03-28T23:53:16.262-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Sound familiar?Matthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-50540333406146421332012-07-18T05:55:09.971-04:002012-07-18T05:55:09.971-04:00Thanx for the info JC I've learned alot in a s...Thanx for the info JC I've learned alot in a short period of time between this site and most of the people on here between here and Official T.L page keeping me well informed thanksAjerseydevilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02307773867621679673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-22451643310189740272012-07-15T06:36:40.597-04:002012-07-15T06:36:40.597-04:00It's the longing for a simple way of life in s...It's the longing for a simple way of life in service to others. It could be one of the more hopeful aspects of humanity except it always gets seized on by the corrupt. Look at the Franciscans. We think of them as barefoot monks, but in reality, they were quickly transformed into their own powerful sect, at odds with Dominicans and heavily involved in persecuting heretics.<br /><br />The more I read of Manson, the more tragic it seems that his message ended up in such bloodshed. Manson saw that this longing is unfocused and it always needs a leader to guide, but that ends up in the usual cult brainwashing, power struggles, or the cult becomes so rich it is just subsumed into the establishment.<br /><br /> (Gypsy made a good point when she spoke of the 60s 'revolutionaries' who had become famous and were writing books, which had made them a lot of money, so they were living middle-class life-styles and losing their edge, swallowed up by capitalism's comforts).<br /><br /> So he tried not to be a leader, to show by example. "He wouldn't take us hanging on him" Squeaky said, "he made us stand up inside and be our own leader!" Manson tried to walk away from them but they would follow in a pack. Little Paul mentions Charlie wanting someone to go with him for supplies, and all the girls wanted to go, but they didn't dare say without an order from Charlie. It made Charlie mad. They had fallen under his control and he didn't like it. "Motherfucker! what's happening round here! Everyone has to ask permission to breathe!"<br /><br />It's a fascinating conundrum. How do you lead people to be leaderless? How do you use your charisma to get them to listen, but not let it overwhelm? What if one of your leaderless followers starts guiding the group in a way you don't approve?<br /><br />I really think Charlie had a lot to teach but ultimately it is impossible. If what you are teaching is good, you'll attract more and more followers. The bigger the group, the more potential for problems. You got to feed and clothe and shelter, so you need organization, so someone has to be in charge....and there goes all your teaching back to square one. I think it's noticeable that both Charlie and Venta tried to split their groups into smaller ones and set up branches.fiona1933https://www.blogger.com/profile/00041216158548547908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-16701749756156305472012-07-11T22:11:50.070-04:002012-07-11T22:11:50.070-04:00Thanks so much for the contribution Ole J.C. You ...Thanks so much for the contribution Ole J.C. You rock!evilizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07666335721618878816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-38514590409685953072012-07-11T17:40:27.632-04:002012-07-11T17:40:27.632-04:00I think Venta and his people saved something like ...I think Venta and his people saved something like 15 people. William, yes. Google books. Type Jon Fischer (or Fisher? I forget) Spiritual Teachings of Master Krishna Venta.Cuntry Trashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05721594982194464895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-12039383543682244432012-07-10T23:07:49.638-04:002012-07-10T23:07:49.638-04:00Here’s an article about the Standard Airlines cras...Here’s an article about the Standard Airlines crash and Krishna in box canyon:<br /><br /><a href="http://framework.latimes.com/2011/01/26/remnants-of-a-deadly-crash/#/0" rel="nofollow">Box Canyon Crash</a><br /><br />Could you imagine surviving that crash just to have your hopes dashed when someone looking like Venta shows up (second photo) and says “Follow me, my son”? At first I would be miffed that I hadn’t survived after all; then I’d be relieved that the ‘big guy’ actually took time out to meet me at the site of my demise. Then I would start to get depressed again, as I slowly began to realize how much Heaven looks like Chatsworth.Farflunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17723130825592879022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-90155144355835637142012-07-10T20:45:39.210-04:002012-07-10T20:45:39.210-04:00Very interesting is the book available online?Very interesting is the book available online?Ajerseydevilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02307773867621679673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-5862289592417987262012-07-10T11:24:29.290-04:002012-07-10T11:24:29.290-04:00Venta also assigned new names to his flock and the...Venta also assigned new names to his flock and they would dumpster dive the grocery stores for supplies (11th paragraph):<br /><br /><a href="http://www.simivalleyacorn.com/news/2004-04-02/Neighbors/013.html" rel="nofollow">Dumpster Dives</a><br /><br />Several ‘Fountain of the World’ members coincidentally went on to yet another like minded organization (ninth paragraph):<br /><br /><a href="http://articles.latimes.com/1997-06-20/local/me-5291_1_krishna-venta" rel="nofollow">Jim Jones</a><br /><br />I attended some sort of presentation in the mid eighties where some Jonestown survivors talked. They didn’t go to Guyana and either left the church or stayed in the US doing support roles. I remember listening to them in stunned disbelief, while they would almost blandly recall how nice and seductive it all was, and the good they were doing. Not the sort of parlance I would have expected from some people who avoided a massive murder/suicide. I attended with the expectation of hearing how to avoid being part of such an organization that will lead to unimaginable grief, pain, a lifetime of guilt and shame as a result of either surviving or not recognizing the illogical spiral they entered. I left thoroughly convinced that they would all do it again, if the circumstances presented themselves.<br /><br />Here’s an interview with Paul Watkins where he actually came the closest to identifying this behavior (3:33 – 3:58):<br /><br /><a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdw60j_paul-watkins-cnn-interview-part-2_shortfilms" rel="nofollow">Little Paul</a><br /><br />Although he wasn’t especially focused with his message and the studio, call-in format does not facilitate the best of dialog, he did manage to make a point on how this stuff seems to repeat. I believed some of the brainwashing hyperbole until I realized there were Fountain of the World people who died in Guyana and Little Paul and Brooks looking into the People’s Temple. Jim Jones didn’t brainwash these people or hypnotize them into joining, they were coming to him, just like they did with Venta and Manson or Koresh or Applewhite.Farflunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17723130825592879022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-71938187706816376512012-07-10T11:10:51.895-04:002012-07-10T11:10:51.895-04:00Cyril Maitland photographed the cross on the rock ...Cyril Maitland photographed the cross on the rock in very early 1970, so I tend to believe Watkins' story. Though I doubt anyone ever really got on it. I don't think it could support anyone's weight.cielodrivecomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03535091266830414644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-14305742558776679282012-07-10T08:08:05.575-04:002012-07-10T08:08:05.575-04:00did the Fountain people also have colors as names ...did the Fountain people also have colors as names ( read that somewhere)...candy and nutshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01871828104812368464noreply@blogger.com