tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post7598379509935998562..comments2024-03-18T15:40:57.986-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Book Review: Goodbye Helter Skelter, By George StimsonMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger94125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-17696883034326838082021-05-05T13:29:19.173-04:002021-05-05T13:29:19.173-04:00When trying to make sense of Charlie Manson and th...When trying to make sense of Charlie Manson and the situations that came to be I truly believe SOME actual experience with doing LSD is an important factor in understanding what transpired..It plays a very important part in the whys and hows of this bizarre story.You WOULD have to have taken Acid/LSD to have any idea at all of how it affects the mind and reality itself.This lack of understanding was 100% missing in the Court Of Law's ability to gauge a person's state of mind while under it's "spell,control,influence,etc etc".How a Parole Board employee could even begin to understand a person's journey AFTER being subjected to this drug's influence, and judge progress,is beyond me.I feel for both the victims and the perpitrators.sillywormhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07600907744181011399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-9695126054536580832021-05-03T13:57:50.810-04:002021-05-03T13:57:50.810-04:00I WANT to believe that Charlie wasn't all bad....I WANT to believe that Charlie wasn't all bad...and I realize that there were some fun times prior to all the hassles and LSD confusion.I have done my hair share in 71 through 77...but never everyday.With the quality and intensity of the early Acid I can't even wrap my mind around how anyone could keep their wits about them.I can imagine how easily reality could fragment and morph into complete fantasy.I also understand and can relate with the bonds that grow at a young age with people you are close to.My friends from that time period ARE "Family" to me.Some of the reasoning behind some of the many other author's books make " sense" to me.Stimson's arguments,based on Charlie's words,interesting and appreciated,seem to wiggle around and out of a realistic admission of " truth". CM can sure weave a web of mystery...never really touching down on admitting anything.I understand Red & Blue's " LOVE for Charlie....not wanting to say anything negative about him.I wish Lynette could just lay it all out ...with some honest admissions.I truly doubt we will EVER get a TRUE picture.I really wish they would release Bobby,Bruce,Leslie & Patricia..enough is enough.....I'm not so sure about Tex....sillywormhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07600907744181011399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-44322263003795263542021-05-03T09:27:10.317-04:002021-05-03T09:27:10.317-04:00I'm now at about page 250+ in Stimson's bo...I'm now at about page 250+ in Stimson's book....besides some nice pics of Manson and his artwork...I'm just not buying his arguments.It's coming across as....weak...and not believable.I can see where he's coming from...Charlie WAS crucified WAY before he went to trial...no doubt....but he was culpable...I find the " let's find a way" to get Bobby free much more believable as well as the " I was not given the respect I deserved" motive when it came to CM's music.Stimson has def sipped the Lyn/Sandra Koolaid when it came to Charlie NOT being violent...I'm leaning toward LANSING'S book " More To The Story" and Watkin's narrative as my " go to" for a believable description.sillywormhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07600907744181011399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-12516042267634481172021-05-01T16:50:55.016-04:002021-05-01T16:50:55.016-04:00AustinAnn74... I'm reading his book right now....AustinAnn74... I'm reading his book right now....and...it's like reading cotton candy....I did not know he was Good's partner....I have read many of the really fine books lately and have a watched enough video to know Sandra Good & Lynette..besides all the trees,bees and flower power feel good save the planet goey stuff.... are crazy WAY out there looney.I read Lynette's book....and the book that deals extensively with her Assasination( whatever crazy ass thing you want to call it)..I truly WANT to like her...but she lacks.....good sense....she COULD have beat that FORD debacle..but she was her own worst enemy.Go figure....Back to the Stimson book...I pretty much skipped right through the first 61 pages....YET to find anything realistic or " NEW"....Charlie...remember..no sense makes sense.I'll finish and get back.sillywormhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07600907744181011399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-76166350058922829842019-12-06T19:51:24.357-05:002019-12-06T19:51:24.357-05:00Manson knew full well he was setting the LaBiancas...Manson knew full well he was setting the LaBiancas up to be slaughtered. He admitted it in the Diane Sawyer interview for Turning Point. <br />He said, "I calmed them down because I didn't want the to be scared, like the night before. When you're in a war, it's a bad omen to kill people while they're scared." <br />So he set the whole thing up.PaulHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02965666446497527968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-34112326302664710492019-12-06T19:50:36.156-05:002019-12-06T19:50:36.156-05:00Manson knew full well he was setting the LaBiancas...Manson knew full well he was setting the LaBiancas up to be slaughtered. He admitted it in the Diane Sawyer interview for Turning Point. <br />He said, "I calmed them down because I didn't want the to be scared, like the night before. When you're in a war, it's a bad omen to kill people while they're scared." <br />So he set the whole thing up.PaulHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02965666446497527968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-37158041618539764992014-07-22T14:28:31.653-04:002014-07-22T14:28:31.653-04:00I hear what you say Robert, but the death penalty ...I hear what you say Robert, but the death penalty is just a bit of culture-wars fun and games; the parole system on the other hand is pure politics - so my guess is they'll never get out alive.MHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765688604319832245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-15561610250661898632014-07-17T15:28:50.455-04:002014-07-17T15:28:50.455-04:00Arbitrary??Arbitrary??Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-25782079577543409372014-07-17T15:27:57.225-04:002014-07-17T15:27:57.225-04:00Thanks leary - IF the Reverend Wright performs the...Thanks leary - IF the Reverend Wright performs the Service - I would NOT miss it !<br /><br />By the way: For all those who think the Manson Family will NEVER be released, a FEDERAL Judge just ruled YESTERDAY that: the Death Penalty SYSTEM in California is too Arbitrary ( only 13 have been executed out of over 900 sentenced ) and thus UNCONSTITUTIONAL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br /><br />Has that NOT been an argument here (on the blog) that the PAROLE system is too Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-16036152849657380672014-07-17T12:24:19.575-04:002014-07-17T12:24:19.575-04:00"Americans are far too self-focused to care a..."Americans are far too self-focused to care about a demented old asshole like Manson."<br /><br />Right you are.Max Frosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06931165830559683001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-75772463386683659712014-07-17T11:09:35.262-04:002014-07-17T11:09:35.262-04:00hey equinox... as a dedicated Anglophile I do so e...hey equinox... as a dedicated Anglophile I do so enjoy hearing from the likes of you and Alice etc.<br />Manson's death is interesting to contemplate, whether it will be but a blip or have some resonance. What I daydream about is an actual Manson funeral in a church maybe back in West Virgina or wherever Charlie's kin are buried. That would be fascinating if it were open to the public to see not only if any Family members would show but what bloggers would make the journey. Matt and Liz would probably be there I reckon. Robert H too. Maybe even some of the self-exiled like the Saint would show. If mobile I would get there.<br />There have long been rumors of more info coming out after Charlie's death but I am skeptical. <br />And there will be no collective cultural sigh of relief. Americans as a whole are far to self-focused to care about a demented old asshole like Manson. He has said it himself a thousand times, he really was/is a nobody. He is just what we made him as far as fame and infamy are concerned.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-89972550455198407542014-07-16T19:07:38.362-04:002014-07-16T19:07:38.362-04:00Leary7,
I just wanted to add something to your di...Leary7,<br /><br />I just wanted to add something to your discussion on what interest there is in CM by the book buying/film going public. As a Brit, I am wondering what the reaction of the American people will be when CM finally dies? Do you think there will be a collective sigh of relief, or people just shrugging their shoulders and saying 'so what'?<br /><br />I wonder if when CM does pass away if any of The Family will divulge some information as to what TLB was really all about.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-59238153399772112112014-07-16T12:34:38.388-04:002014-07-16T12:34:38.388-04:00Robert - 'extra cash' was equinox234, not ...Robert - 'extra cash' was equinox234, not me - but I enjoyed it almost as much as you did!<br /><br />Don't worry about cash and California, Robert - this'll all be sorted when California is split into 6 new states with shiny new names. Because nothing solves fiscal problems quite as thoroughly as multiplying the size of the bureaucracy by six.MHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765688604319832245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-11000505524192701462014-07-16T12:20:31.516-04:002014-07-16T12:20:31.516-04:00MICHAEL: you got funny all over you and I'm st...MICHAEL: you got funny all over you and I'm still laughing over "extra cash." I live in California, and we're NOT allowed to have "extra cash," unless we are dedicated liberal politicians or their donors.<br /><br />There is political talk going around about the government installing "extra cash" ready tellers all over town.<br />BUT how do you become a $$ donor IF you don't have any "extra cash" to donate first ?<br /><br />There MUST be a lot of "extra cash" folks in CA, cause otherwise the "bullet train" will always be mostly empty. Wait a minute ! Maybe the "bullet" train is only meant to carry bullets to Sacramento.<br /><br />LEARY: We are on the same page, I'm trying to figure-out the same damn thing.<br /><br />The results may determine whether I ever release The Legend of Charles Manson OR just sell everything outright. The "piracy" issue is KILLING many forms of media. I know nobody wants to discuss the matter publicly, so maybe when the "pirates" cross over our borders by the thousands, Obama will smell some political advantage in blaming it on the Republicans AND then WE can talk about it PUBLICLY. <br /><br />Thank God TALK is cheap so we don't need "extra cash" to participate in an intelligent discussion.<br /><br />Oh shit, NOW Jerry Brown might get the idea to TAX "public discussions."Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-12902073235302044782014-07-16T10:27:01.091-04:002014-07-16T10:27:01.091-04:00I guess my curiosity here (and I seem to be arguin...I guess my curiosity here (and I seem to be arguing with myself, I miss the Saint) is whether the much ballyhooed interest in Mr. Manson is "genuine" interest or just the remnants of "fad" interest.<br />Charlie will ALWAYS be interesting to a certain segment of society because he had/has the unique bland of pure evil, anti-establishment fever and hippie free love that appeals to many. But it does seem at this point the he has become a caricature of himself. Most folk I talk to are convinced he died years ago. I think it is safe to say, despite RH's film selling out, that mainstream interest in Manson is kaput. It just interests me to speculate how long the "fad" interest will last, though it is sure to spike when he kicks it. leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-84305486013620570852014-07-16T10:17:09.428-04:002014-07-16T10:17:09.428-04:00Charlie sells at 12, but not at 25! Valid point RH...Charlie sells at 12, but not at 25! Valid point RH - projecting sales contains endless whims and variables.<br />But sometimes, to paraphrase Billy Shakes, a rose is but a rose. There just can't be sinister and hidden meaning behind everything. <br />Could there?leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-65885987062468065852014-07-16T09:53:31.878-04:002014-07-16T09:53:31.878-04:00Here are my quiz answers:
Who will know the name ...Here are my quiz answers:<br /><br /><i>Who will know the name of the US President that Squeaky attempted to assassinate.</i><br /><br />Answer: Robert Hendrickson will!<br /><br /><i>Who will remember the name of the US President Charles Manson emulated ?</i><br /><br />Answer: Robert Hendrickson will!<br /><br /><i>Who will remember the name of the US President in office when the whole MANSON Family saga unfolded ?</i><br /><br />Answer: VIETNAM! - er, sorry, I meant - Robert Hendrickson will!<br /><br />And that's no bad thing, Mr Hendrickson :) <br />MHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765688604319832245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-5591305746530627182014-07-16T04:58:44.814-04:002014-07-16T04:58:44.814-04:00Leary: YOU provided us with the Spahn Ranch SHERR...Leary: YOU provided us with the Spahn Ranch SHERRIFF's RAID CLUE long ago, which I greatly appreciated, so when I saw YOUR " wolf " comment. Well, look up and read the story of "The Wolf Boy" and YOU will begin to appreciate the true story of Charles Manson - CLUE<br /><br />ALSO, I understand your desire to read some stats on Manson Book Sales, but that is like asking for the Coke a Cola formula. With that info one can truely make a more educated decision on what topic to author / publish. AND now books and even movies are not made for profit, but for political influence.<br /><br />It's a whole new ball game.<br /><br />It's no problem finding out what any old movie made, but would that subject work today $$$<br /><br />My MANSON film bombed in 1973, when AIP distributed it, and was a smash hit in 1975 - 1977 when TOBANN distributed it. As I mentioned before, the recent Clinton Book (over $10,000,000 advance) was actually a very cheap test market for her Presidential bid. Big gamble, cause now she is a has-been.<br /><br />A year ago, we showed MANSON for the first time in decades and it sold out every night with people being turned away. BUT what does that really mean ? The seats were $12 each. What if they were $25 each ? Big book publishers have their own printing companies, so what is their actual cost?Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-15567524811952523352014-07-15T16:42:57.735-04:002014-07-15T16:42:57.735-04:00Alice, I've always thought Stephanie's per...Alice, I've always thought Stephanie's perspective would make the perfect viewpoint for a treatment like what Dom DeLillo's "Libra" did for the JKF assassination.<br />I will always fantasize how the world would be different if Stephanie had just been able to talk Charlie into bypassing Spahn and heading off to Woodstock instead. I mean she did have the chutzpah to demand he be monogamous with her. She's really an interesting character.<br />Imagine Manson being at Woodstock with Stephanie and reading about TLB having been done by Tex acting as the prime force. Couldn't have happened??? Many would disagree. The girls sure did love them some Bobby.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-42532245989047318292014-07-15T16:33:13.080-04:002014-07-15T16:33:13.080-04:00Ah Robert, a wolf who eats beef jerky but refrains...Ah Robert, a wolf who eats beef jerky but refrains from killing. Yes, he was a great character and it was meant as a compliment.<br /><br />A pacifist wolf, almost as interesting as a children's book editor from the UK. I come from a long line of Irish coachman, Alice, and would be honored to paint your house. Can we have Charlie pick out the colors?<br />by the way, I've escaped the Texas heat and am summering on the shore of Lake Superior surrounded by a whole bunch of Chippewa speed freaks. The night sounds are quite disturbing.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-9204721914740807202014-07-15T14:02:28.869-04:002014-07-15T14:02:28.869-04:00Leary - I'd be interested in what Squeaky, Gyp...Leary - I'd be interested in what Squeaky, Gypsy and Stephanie have to say. I don't think for a second that any of them will actually be honest (well, maybe Stephanie but she wasn't really part of the hard core). I'd also read a book by Pat, who I think is less self-serving than Leslie.<br /><br />I'll see what I can dig out on sales figs for those you mention above but, while I'd be more than happy for someone to come and paint my house for free I'm in the UK so it'd be a bit of a hike from Texas! Also I work in children's books - not so much call for Manson Family stories in that market!alicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00075590301658119688noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-60348336472444542072014-07-15T13:29:38.716-04:002014-07-15T13:29:38.716-04:00I read the book. I enjoyed it but have never been ...I read the book. I enjoyed it but have never been convinced of the copycat motive. I do however, believe that this book does a good job of dispelling the myth of Helter Skelter. <br /> All the quotes and testimony from those involved, where they admit they don't themselves believe in Helter Skelter, is laid out very well. Every person attached to the case in any significant way has doubted or questioned the HS motive.<br /> The book does say goodbye to helter skelter. The actual motive(s) are up for debate.Crashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11728414472678872875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-67036091797719311882014-07-15T13:03:58.108-04:002014-07-15T13:03:58.108-04:00"Bill Handle on the law" radio program j..."Bill Handle on the law" radio program just did a whole segment on CM. When Bill was young, he attended Manson trial. Talked about "STAR" etc. mentioned that CM wanted Melcher killed, but settled on ALL in the house - because Manson was peeved at Terry for NOT putting the music out. NO Helter Skelter mentioned and that is how HS will DISAPPEAR in the media.<br /><br />Leary: A WOLF howls at the moon. Ever see "Dances with Wolves" - the wolf is the STAR of the movie and the only one that doesn't KILL human beings. No offense taken - compliment accepted.<br /><br />Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-91239393029920610082014-07-15T10:46:30.447-04:002014-07-15T10:46:30.447-04:00Robert, often you just seem hell bent on howling a...Robert, often you just seem hell bent on howling at the moon. Entertaining, yes, but I often am left wondering what your point is.<br />NO offence.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-34080449212577413562014-07-15T10:41:21.700-04:002014-07-15T10:41:21.700-04:00Muchos muchos gracias, Alice. I had a sense of wha...Muchos muchos gracias, Alice. I had a sense of what you conveyed but that was a great break down of the money.<br />I sit here in the library surrounded by thousands of books and one has to wonder if in twenty years it will be but a museum.<br /><br />Hey Matt, give CarolMR a promotion and raise please.<br /><br />I guess if I had to choose three recent books to gauge the recurring interest in TLB it would be Guinn's, Statman's and that MM nurse from Canada. I honestly wonder if any of the three "made" any money. I'm betting against it.<br /><br />More more from Alice please. So you would honestly listen to Gypsy, Stephanie (very well spoken woman) and the Squeakster. Anyone else?<br />I'd paint your house if you would read my short stories, including one titled "Killing Clem, And Then". Yeah, about hunting down Scramblehead. Spoof, obviously.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.com