tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post799165083451273768..comments2024-03-18T15:40:57.986-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Goodbye Helter Skelter Chapters Fifteen and SixteenMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-78251899407997674022015-12-28T15:18:02.135-05:002015-12-28T15:18:02.135-05:00I was interested to read that the Waverly Drive mu...I was interested to read that the Waverly Drive murders were not robberies (ie could be proescuted as felony murders). The Kay quote from LVH 1993 parole hearing makes it all the more so.<br /><br />Quite how Kay has the audacity to make such a statement in 1993 when as far as I am aware after the 1977 LVH hung jury, her charge was altered to robbery murder for the 1978 trial. (He was the prosecutor both times).<br /><br />The strategy behind this was that felony murder has no mitigating circumstances for a claim of diminished responsiblity. The 1977 jury could not decide on murder or manslaughter. The 1978 jury could not hear about diminished responsibilty because the accused went there to commit a felony (and people got killed).<br /><br />Another point: in the History channel special Kasabian recalls (at Cielo Drive) Watson telling her to get Parent's wallet. She states she got into the car and did so. So there is a felony robbery with murder charge right there. This never came up during the trial.<br /><br />Kasabian also mentions taking a white speed tablet before embarking on the journey. So that makes at least three of the killers under the influence of speed.<br /><br />I have yet to finish the legal chapter. My understanding is that there was also a conspiracy charge with Hinman. I would like to see the book deal with how Manson was not involved with this. In particular as Beausoleil claims he made a second phone call specifically to speak to Manson before killing Hinman. <br /><br />Lastly, the Hinman inheritance, wasn't that Ella Jo Bailey who initially brought up this as a means of fund raising?Chris Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14711422705919582549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-84817648040693470032015-03-14T20:15:59.770-04:002015-03-14T20:15:59.770-04:00bobby, thank you for articulating some of the thin...bobby, thank you for articulating some of the things I was thinking but couldn't quite put into words.<br /><br />It isn't often that we get some of the greatest minds in TLB in the same place at the same time. Thank you George, Robert, Col, bobby and others for participating.<br /><br />Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-33375077541909128982015-03-14T19:40:49.459-04:002015-03-14T19:40:49.459-04:00I have vehemently defended red blue gold etc all ...I have vehemently defended red blue gold etc all since I was fortunately lucky enough Lyn wrote and called me from Marianna and sent me the newspaper article about blue and lake Champlain I'm no best friends to anyside Robert ask why Manson didn't study law I've wonder why his fiancee hasn't red and blue are held in high regard and I think this goes without saying to ban Robert you have let the world see Charlie vest intact and more <br />candy and nutshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01871828104812368464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-20014449675488335742015-03-14T18:02:01.724-04:002015-03-14T18:02:01.724-04:00On the one hand, I think Robert should just buy th...On the one hand, I think Robert should just buy the damn book.<br /><br />On the other, I can imagine RH being very upset if this blog was posting clips from his films for us to discuss without having to bother buying his films.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-61734790830032651612015-03-14T11:46:07.794-04:002015-03-14T11:46:07.794-04:00Hi Robert. I was about 12 years old when the Zebra...Hi Robert. I was about 12 years old when the Zebra murders were happening. I delivered the SF Examiner every afternoon and read about them every time they were in the paper. Interesting connection.....Doc Sierrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15092659205764422809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-66459168539709708082015-03-14T10:55:03.398-04:002015-03-14T10:55:03.398-04:00Trouble is - I'm the ONE who does NOT have tim...Trouble is - I'm the ONE who does NOT have time to even READ a so-called BOOK, especially if it doesn't even mention a "The Nation of Islam" and the "Zebra" murders connection (RE: YOUR new post) <br /><br />Back when Squeaky attempted to assassinate Ford, Sandy called me on the phone and demanded I send photos of the Family to Charlie in prison so HE could have something to spoon over. She even threatened, that IF I didn't, Charlie might put the infamous "death curse" on me. I responded: "Tell Charlie to go fuck himself." AND I guess this Johnny come lately is trying to carry the torch. So what is ALL this mumbo jumbo ( Goodbye HS) about IF nobody even has a clue as to WHY Charles Manson will NOT even attempt to FREE himself from prison.<br /><br />Here, I'll make MY question multiple choice and let EVERYONE ponder a very important clue - IF they really give-a-shit about a "motive."<br /><br />a) Manson is TOO busy performing brain surgery in prison.<br />b) Manson is TOO busy saving the world from evil doers who are so busy trying to make a living that they don't even have time to separate THEIR plastic bottles and tin cans from the left over spaggetti. THUS, they are intentionally polluting the earth.<br />c) Manson would be revealed as still INCOMPETENT to represent himself in a court of law, even if HE read every LAW book ever published. AND thus the entire Manson Mystique would flow down the drain, just like EVERYONE'S crap.<br /><br />For those who want to actually LEARN something about this case: Right on Matt's link here, you can find - 3/14/15 "one of four "zebra killers" found dead in his cell at San Quentin - plus even more.Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-14804520336481036712015-03-14T08:02:14.632-04:002015-03-14T08:02:14.632-04:00no apology needed:)
NO RAP NEEDED EITHER LOLno apology needed:)<br /><br />NO RAP NEEDED EITHER LOLAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-56557024723540000962015-03-14T00:20:02.026-04:002015-03-14T00:20:02.026-04:00Speaking of stoned, Ronnie Howard, at about 1:11 i...Speaking of stoned, Ronnie Howard, at about 1:11 into Inside The Manson Gang looks loaded.....Doc Sierrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15092659205764422809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-50436248262615472212015-03-14T00:18:41.719-04:002015-03-14T00:18:41.719-04:00I'm almost positive that was an extremely ston...I'm almost positive that was an extremely stoned TJ.beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-43122823117046490232015-03-13T23:55:06.732-04:002015-03-13T23:55:06.732-04:00Doc I think for sure that is TJDoc I think for sure that is TJMr. Humphrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02574243483977353223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-39836023659163600422015-03-13T23:48:53.668-04:002015-03-13T23:48:53.668-04:00Last post on George's book is coming up soonLast post on George's book is coming up soonPatty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-42412927998602797182015-03-13T23:29:57.274-04:002015-03-13T23:29:57.274-04:00Bucpaul, thanks for the thanks. :)Bucpaul, thanks for the thanks. :)Patty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-53094401539481792122015-03-13T23:25:02.955-04:002015-03-13T23:25:02.955-04:00Robert H, in both of your documentaries there is a...Robert H, in both of your documentaries there is a scene with a balding guy with dark hair and his mustache connected to his sideburns playing with Mary Brunner's hand. I've been told before that this guy is TJ but I don't think he is. Who is this guy?Doc Sierrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15092659205764422809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-82896157024610046642015-03-13T23:06:12.665-04:002015-03-13T23:06:12.665-04:00Robert Hendrickson said ..."Their is NO defen...Robert Hendrickson said ..."Their is NO defense for being involved in murdering a "robbery victim" in HIS home..." I read that particular bit and wondered if initially I had my wires crossed - a group of people break into someone's home, forcibly detains them, the resident then has his ear sliced and the action is justified as "self defense" because the person who lived there was prepared to use a gun to try and ultimately deter the people holding him captive in his own home? Thank you for highlighting that, Mr.H. <br /><br />And thank you Patty for diarising your observations - and Mr. Stimson for addressing the various questions/clarifications, etc., am definitely going to get a copy of the book as it sounds absolutely intriguing.bucpaul2812https://www.blogger.com/profile/07919220894312658760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-36972472105105624322015-03-13T22:11:12.562-04:002015-03-13T22:11:12.562-04:00joseph esposito, just because your paranoid doesn&...joseph esposito, just because your paranoid doesn't mean they're not really after you, or, that's what the government would like you to think.....Doc Sierrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15092659205764422809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-76920910736534225572015-03-13T22:09:30.123-04:002015-03-13T22:09:30.123-04:00nderworld Pope said...
Charlie helped George ...nderworld Pope said...<br /><br /> Charlie helped George pay his taxes. Helped the old blind man get his trucks running and gave him a Studebaker. He made sure the girls took good care of him. Charlie nursed and took care of kittens. If he didn't show genuine love, why would they stick around?<br />----------------------------<br />I've always been under the impression that Charlie paid the property taxes for George so George wouldn't have his property seized by the county and make Charlie homeless.....Doc Sierrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15092659205764422809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-68354967919699942852015-03-13T21:15:21.082-04:002015-03-13T21:15:21.082-04:00St. if I misinterpreted one of your posts in the p...St. if I misinterpreted one of your posts in the past, and I mischaracterized you as a Rap fan, and you're not, my sincere apology! I don't think you're a bad person either, I'm sorry. Josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10341912936545924770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-75872045033575972402015-03-13T21:01:41.280-04:002015-03-13T21:01:41.280-04:00I am not a fan of Rap music at all...
or JayzeeI am not a fan of Rap music at all...<br /><br />or JayzeeAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-41524019682493560122015-03-13T01:41:38.543-04:002015-03-13T01:41:38.543-04:00Charlie helped George pay his taxes. Helped the ol...Charlie helped George pay his taxes. Helped the old blind man get his trucks running and gave him a Studebaker. He made sure the girls took good care of him. Charlie nursed and took care of kittens. If he didn't show genuine love, why would they stick around?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-72009144211955735992015-03-12T23:05:56.940-04:002015-03-12T23:05:56.940-04:00Much has been said about how Charlie "used&qu...Much has been said about how Charlie "used" these impressionable young people but it is clear to Patty that his love and admiration for some, like Sandy and Lynn, was enduring. It must be difficult to form relationships with people when even your own mother was sorry you were born. It probably gets to be easy to use people for what you can get from them when youve lived the life that he has. He has seen many do the same to him...use them for what they can get.Patty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-57593115630323183462015-03-12T20:56:39.020-04:002015-03-12T20:56:39.020-04:00Straying a bit...but I'd be curious to find ou...Straying a bit...but I'd be curious to find out if anybody thinks Charlie genuinely cared for anyone at Spahn, as a friend or lover?<br />He was a generation away from his 'co-defendents' (not the most appropriate time to use that term perhaps!). He was married...did he lose interest in life after Rose went on her way? Was he too just as lost and so inevitably stumbled across this convenient scene??aMyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13178623418931485976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-88486546275006939552015-03-12T17:52:01.161-04:002015-03-12T17:52:01.161-04:00Pope-
There is some ( maybe much) truth to what y...Pope-<br /><br />There is some ( maybe much) truth to what you say, and some of the comparisons you make...<br /><br />But my question is not if Charlie is worse than anyone else. ( although to me you do minimize the differences in dangerousness of behavior between Charlie and you other examples you gave)<br /><br />my question is why go out of your way to befriend someone who you know ahead of time spent his life hurting others and whom you know - in advance- is a locked away criminal?<br /><br />what is it about a person who ( fairly or not) is considered the Face of Evil, and is locked away forever that is so attractive to some that they go to such extraordinary lengths to get involved in their life personally??<br /><br />If I am around anyone who " slaps a women around once in awhile" I never hang around them again- let along go out of my way to start a new friendship with someone I already know does that.<br /><br />Is it upbringing, options, something dark down deep inside,<br /><br />or...<br /><br />Is Charlie just that bitching? lol<br /><br />I mean even if that were the case- you had to make a conscious decision before you get the chance to find that out- that you want to find that out...<br /><br />Why???Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-30611443607494176852015-03-12T15:25:31.517-04:002015-03-12T15:25:31.517-04:00I got the book and will read it but any argument t...I got the book and will read it but any argument that CM was refused his pro per rights are specious. I personally think the trial was a fraud and there was no chance for CM from the beginning, but when he was pro per he behaved completely unprofessionally so what happened was a direct result of his actions. Claiming otherwise is a non starterColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-47020541083361666112015-03-12T13:55:54.771-04:002015-03-12T13:55:54.771-04:00Merrick and I are the only ones who EVER gave Char...Merrick and I are the only ones who EVER gave Charles Manson and HIS Family, including Sandra Good - who revealed the "Copycat Motive" in 1970 - a LOUD voice in the World Wide International Media. AND you don't have time to tell ME what YOU "think" about Charles Manson NOT taking the time in prison to educate himself in the "LAW." - so HE could actually represent HIMSELF competently in a Court of Law. ????<br /><br />WRONG answer Mr. Stimson !<br /><br />Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-88162097150065108072015-03-12T13:47:04.391-04:002015-03-12T13:47:04.391-04:00I don't think anyone is trying to make a saint...I don't think anyone is trying to make a saint out of Charlie. The book is to dispel the myth of Helter Skelter and that he masterminded the crimes. People often are one sided and see only the bad. Charlie may be a criminal, but he's also a musician, philosopher and there is plenty of testimony of good sides to his personality. Had he was signed to a major record deal, his female "follwers" would be called groupies. His ego shattered, brainwashing music would be called a positive spiritual message. His criminality and drug use would be dismissed as good ol' rock n roll decadence. Sure he might have slapped a few women around. But rap stars who dedicated entire songs to such behavior got standing ovations and grammies. If you read into the case deeper, you'll see in the case of Mary Brunner, she dished out some punches to him too. Led Zeppelin beat and sodomized a girl with a dead fish. But hey, they're socially accepted heroes...so that's OK. Hendrix and everyone else had a harem of females behind them. THose were groupies, but when it comes to Charlie? CULT MEMBERS! oooo.<br /><br />The media and DA created a smoke screen you people still have in front of your faces.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com