tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post7994104215728883610..comments2024-03-28T23:53:16.262-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Frank RetzMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger84125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-67082681436937904552015-10-08T05:25:58.957-04:002015-10-08T05:25:58.957-04:00Jenn, there is a youtube video by Stoner van Houte...Jenn, there is a youtube video by Stoner van Houten where he visits the site of the crash.Chris Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14711422705919582549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-44649337583705740632015-10-05T16:34:35.249-04:002015-10-05T16:34:35.249-04:00I'm confused about where this bridge was. Was ...I'm confused about where this bridge was. Was it where the, I think, steel bridge is now? The one that often has a closed gate across it?Jennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16318651628897411177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-70420443194714371612015-10-05T10:00:49.629-04:002015-10-05T10:00:49.629-04:00I Apt Pupil must have been the novella included wi...I Apt Pupil must have been the novella included with Stand By Me, Shawshank Redemption and another story in a book of King's I was reading. I got a few pages<br />into Apt Pupil and the Nazi microwaves a cat and I couldn't read any more.Mr. Humphrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02574243483977353223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-58096742302292519642015-10-05T04:37:36.669-04:002015-10-05T04:37:36.669-04:00CHRIS: I actually saw Apt Pupil when it was releas...CHRIS: I actually saw Apt Pupil when it was released many, many years before I even knew DON. And I can see where some would even see it as a comedy. When I first saw Shindler's List, I cringed in my seat. At least the part where the "bad" NAZI is told by Shindler that REAL power is when YOU can KILL someone, but spare their life instead seemed sincere.<br /><br />For an actor to portray and a director to be able to "DO" the NAZI thing WITHOUT it appearing like a comedy is nothing short of a miracle. The same is true of an actor trying to do Charles Manson and a director trying to re-create the Manson Family story.<br /><br />BOTH are totally out of the realm of believe-ability in OUR world.<br /><br />LIKE how do you "DO" the POPE and HIS gang of cock-suckers AND make it believable to those WHO "believe" HE is GOD.<br /><br />AND how do you "DO" a reflective film about a mentally disadvantaged youth who turns out to be the most mentally "powerful" man in the world, with just a little help from an otherwise nobody Prosecutor.<br /><br />NOW, Mel Brooks discovered the KEY - just go with the flow, as in "Spring Time For Hitler." BUT you have to understand - IF MEL was doing a film about MUSLIM terrorists invading Europe - HE would likely open with hundreds of turbined camels charging through the tunnel to the UK. Screaming wildly along the way, but stopping cold to bow and pray every 100 feet. Then a cut-away to the Queen in her chambers racing to gather-up her prized possession, stopping ONLY to look in the mirror and straighten her hagger wig.<br /><br />UNfortunately, TRUE life can be a bitch to re-create, so I give Apt Pupil an A for doing what NO other filmmaker dared even try.<br /><br />Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-36251806565951680572015-10-04T20:32:30.233-04:002015-10-04T20:32:30.233-04:00Ambulatory Schizophrenia aka Borderline Personalit...Ambulatory Schizophrenia aka Borderline Personality Disorder<br />as noted in Kaplan and Saddock's 'Synopsis of Psychiatry' 7th ed.waywardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12489373125089880069noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-26607813667242884742015-10-04T20:23:35.152-04:002015-10-04T20:23:35.152-04:00Bugliosi also betrayed a complete misunderstanding...Bugliosi also betrayed a complete misunderstanding of Nietzsche, as though that great thinker was little more than an intellectual mouthpiece of Nazism. <br /><br />Nietzsche's sister (along with her husband) was a racist, Jew-hating proto-Nazi. Nietzsche found her position risible and contemptible. As he said in a letter to her, explaining why he could no longer feel affection for her since his work was starting to be associated with her vile racism, "These accursed anti-Semite deformities shall not sully my ideal!!"<br /><br />Of course he was critical of Judaism as a belief system, and of Christianity too. He saw them as a deformation of the history of human thought and found the elevation of weakness, guilt, and subservience to be a profoundly dangerous shift in human thought from the ideals of the ancient world. But that's not racism, Nietzsche was no Nazi, and Bugliosi was dumb to paint him in those colors just so he could use Nietzsche as another stick with which to beat Manson.MHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765688604319832245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-74350918446780726392015-10-04T19:46:02.572-04:002015-10-04T19:46:02.572-04:00One of the most idiotic things I've seen Bugli...One of the most idiotic things I've seen Bugliosi do is compare Manson to Hitler on the grounds both loved Children and Animals. Be careful, loving children and animals could get you compared to Hitler if you ever get in trouble with the law I guess. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-67114879205121842792015-10-04T16:22:24.077-04:002015-10-04T16:22:24.077-04:00Don Murphy produced Apt Pupil? I remember watching...Don Murphy produced Apt Pupil? I remember watching that and laughing myself unconscious. I didn't know Don did comedies too - good for him! McKellen really hammed it up like the screaming old luvvie he is. That casting wouldn't work in a serious film, but for a light comedy like this it was a real hoot. Comedy gold.MHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765688604319832245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-12625297357521170662015-10-04T16:07:56.093-04:002015-10-04T16:07:56.093-04:00equinox12314 said...
"In May 2011, this blog...equinox12314 said...<br /><br />"In May 2011, this blog posted interviews with Charlie's friend, AC Fisher Aldag"<br /><br /><br />It was a couple of months back when was looking through past threads that I came across this and became curious about Charlie's mental history. I remember thinking that AC Fisher Aldag used to come up with some really interesting posts although I found it hard to believe that he didn't really learn to read until 1968. <br />Having mental health issues within my own family and among friends over the years, I guess I'm curious as to where his is purported to be at.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-58978682758432781932015-10-04T15:23:13.647-04:002015-10-04T15:23:13.647-04:00Chats! XoxoChats! XoxoPatty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-31818382878527943662015-10-04T14:45:45.770-04:002015-10-04T14:45:45.770-04:00OO-EE-OOOO-EE-OOAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-69177221304994354292015-10-04T14:22:51.865-04:002015-10-04T14:22:51.865-04:00Mr Hendrickson, did you recommend Apt Pupil becaus...Mr Hendrickson, did you recommend Apt Pupil because it was produced by Don Murphy?Chris Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14711422705919582549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-31981908251961946642015-10-04T14:06:09.763-04:002015-10-04T14:06:09.763-04:00Thanks GeorgeThanks GeorgeMr. Humphrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02574243483977353223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-91157130748291564972015-10-04T13:50:04.293-04:002015-10-04T13:50:04.293-04:00"There are a startling number of similarities..."There are a startling number of similarities between Manson and Hitler.<br /><br />Manson like Hitler, had some other aspect to his personaslity, some frightening and tangible power and quality about him that no one as yet has been able to discover."<br /><br />NOTE: The Prosecutor ONLY needs to mention the last names of these two characters and YOU know who he is talking about. That's POWER - especially in a world with billions of nobody's.<br /><br />Also NOTE: the word "quality" attributed to Manson and Hitler.<br /><br />I always seem to be dissing on LBJ and JFK, BUT I also have an arsenal of "qualities" attributable to them.<br /><br />BUT they, like HITLER, also made a critical mistake - THEY tried to make "yellow" skin communists THEIR scapegoat and HITLER tried to make the "Jews" HIS.<br /><br />BTW: there is a great film called "Apt Pupil" for those who want to see how NAZI's like Retz hid in America from the Americans.<br /><br />Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-15634519831024521992015-10-04T12:00:44.805-04:002015-10-04T12:00:44.805-04:00@George Stimson
George, thanks for continuing to ...@George Stimson<br /><br />George, thanks for continuing to provide interesting articles to the blog, particularly in the difficult circumstances in which you and Sandy have found yourselves. So much of what you provide on the site hasn't been seen before. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-20074650296568574692015-10-04T11:54:18.508-04:002015-10-04T11:54:18.508-04:00@ziggyosterberg
Yes, the one with Bill Scanlon Mu... @ziggyosterberg<br /><br />Yes, the one with Bill Scanlon Murphy is enlightening, but as you say, it is difficult to make out what's being said. Would I be right in saying that Scanlon Murphy was a session musician with the Beach Boys, and therefore close to Dennis Wilson? <br /><br />The androgynous Israeli was an academic, yes? If we're talking about the same interview, she was lucky there was a pane of glass between them. I loved the interview where Charlie says that he has to go for a s**t, but before leaving, informs the female interviewer that she's a bit overweight!! LOL.<br /><br />I thought I was the only one that was getting the "Frank nibbling on the wires" message. It's getting more and more difficult to make out what's in the 'prove you're not a robot' pictures, or maybe it's just old age!!<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-55643912973797811522015-10-04T11:43:39.877-04:002015-10-04T11:43:39.877-04:00Grim traveller said...
"...ambulatory schizo...Grim traveller said...<br /><br />"...ambulatory schizophrenia but a number of people commenting on this have said that it doesn't carry much weight as a serious mental disorder."<br /><br />@Grimtraveller From what I can gather, 'ambulatory' seems to be an American term. It appears to be used for those who are non-hospitalised. However, having personally known several schizophrenics, this is a condition which is controlled by serious psychiatric medication, and in the UK at least, the prescription has to be approved by hospital psychiatrists, not General Practitioners. Trust me, it's not safe to leave these sufferers without medication, if only for their own sake!! <br /><br />I would have thought that the length of solitary confinement which Charlie has been subjected to in the past would have been unlawful under the Eighth Amendment to the United States Constitution which states that "cruel and unusual punishments [shall not be] inflicted." Charlie was put into a lengthy spell of solitary just a couple of years ago. At his age?? That would be detrimental to anyone's mental health.<br /><br />In May 2011, this blog posted interviews with Charlie's friend, AC Fisher Aldag. She spoke about his other problems as follows: "He has four or five different learning disabilities: ADHD, dyslexia, and I'm reasonably sure he had fetal alcohol syndrome. So he had difficulties learning. Lynette and Sandra were actually the first people to teach him how to read. He is NOT mentally retarded, but when he was young, he was labeled as such." Keeping anyone with these difficulties in solitary confinement for any length of time is to my mind 'cruel and unnatural'.<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-67710106957564427822015-10-04T11:09:32.703-04:002015-10-04T11:09:32.703-04:00Good: "Well, it's a club that brings Germ...Good: "Well, it's a club that brings Germans over, young guys over..."<br /><br />Robert: "Well, did you know Frank? Was he trying to bug you about buying the ranch a long time ago?"<br /><br />Brenda: "Well, the thing was, he was trying to swindle George out of the land and we weren't goin' for it. We let George know what was going on between him and whoever was doing it."<br /><br />Maybe Frank was just a warm and fuzzy guy following a REAL leader in land deals - Bob Hope - who swindled Crash Corrigan out of HIS western town movie set property, down the road in Simi Valley.<br /><br />REMEMBER what Jesus said: "Know ye the truth and it will drive you crazy."<br /><br />Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-55045651296912979222015-10-04T10:31:01.273-04:002015-10-04T10:31:01.273-04:00SusanB said...
"reminded me of Charlies admi...SusanB said...<br /><br />"reminded me of Charlies admiration of Hitler"<br /><br /><br />Vincent Bugliosi isn't one of my bugbears {I laugh, even as I type that !} but I think one particular dis~service he did to Charles Manson was in drawing parallels between him and Hitler.<br />The thing with our Adolf is that since 1945 it has been almost impossible to even talk about him without getting peoples' backs up because it seems that he is such an icon of evil that if one says anything 'good' or 'positive' about him, one is taken as some kind of supporter or justifyer and that's unfortunate, to say the least. It also often has meant that if anyone is compared or paralleled with him, that that person being compared must be some paragon of evil.<br />Comparisons are often just that, comparisons, and <i>more</i> or <i>less</i> can be read into them. <br />I don't think "admiration" is the always the same as "wanting to be like" or "thinking that what they did was right" because it occurs to me that you could think that someone did the right thing but not admire them at all.<br />And in terms of parallels, there are some striking ones between Charles Manson and Jesus and Charles Manson and John Lennon.<br /><br /> equinox12314 said...<br /><br />"I think overall, we have to remember Charlie has mental health issues"<br /><br /><br />I understand that he was diagnosed in the 50s, early 60s and around 1968 as having some kind of ambulatory schizophrenia but a number of people commenting on this have said that it doesn't carry much weight as a serious mental disorder.<br />In more recent times {like this last decade}, has there been evidence of Charles Manson being diagnosed with particular mental health disorders and what have those disorders been ? In his last parole hearing, his lawyer {who stated that he'd not even met him !} said he'd not been diagnosed with any severe mental disorders.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-1440781551826036722015-10-04T10:14:14.779-04:002015-10-04T10:14:14.779-04:00In the Brooks Poston Inyo County interview, he sta...In the Brooks Poston Inyo County interview, he stated that Charles Manson said that Hitler was a "tuned in guy who leveled the karma of a lot of people". No mention of jews specifically. But if you ask Steven Kay and Bugliosi, he said "the jews". Catherine Share wasn't only a jew, but also was described as a "true blue" communist and we all know how Hitler felt about them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-59755980185054544912015-10-04T10:00:39.168-04:002015-10-04T10:00:39.168-04:00"Did I miss something in the post or was Retz..."Did I miss something in the post or was Retz angry about your group trespassing on that occasion? Or what was the situation? Did he find you on his property? Was he friendly from the start? He looks friendly in the pics."<br /><br />Mr Humphrat, arrangements had been made for us to meet him there. He was expecting us. George Stimsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01335003151229883480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-21864475963954161092015-10-04T09:57:05.470-04:002015-10-04T09:57:05.470-04:00Vermouth Brlliantine said
"I might be wrong,...<br />Vermouth Brlliantine said<br /><br />"I might be wrong, but I've always gotten the impression his views on politics and history were always pretty vague pre-Trial, that although his racial-socialist 'ideology' existed vaguely before then it wasn't really very concrete and as deeply tied into National Socialist (i.e. ATWA) ideas as it later became."<br /><br />I think that you might be right. <br /><br />Vincent Bugliosi often repeated and wrote in his book, "Helter Skelter", the erroneous Brooks Poston quote that "Manson said that Hitler was a tuned in guy that leveled the karma of the jews" <br /><br />What Brooks Poston actually said, in his interview with the Inyo County Sheriff, was "he said, Hilter was a tuned in guy like himself. And that he saw the truth and he leveled the karma of a lot of people. Karma is what he calls, uh, sin or something like that. I guess he equates it with sin." (from Cielo Drive.com ) : <br /><br />http://www.cielodrive.com/updates/paul-crockett-10-3-69-interview-part-one/<br /><br />Offhand, I can think of at least a few Jewish or Jewish by birth Manson family members - Barbara Rosenberg, Joan Wildebush and Catherine "Gypsy" Share. Irwin "Partee" Friedman's son, John, was one of the kids picked up in the raid on Spahn Ranch. "Partee", a jew by birth, was a lifelong friend of Charlie's and the man in the mask on the "Manson Family Reunion" episode of Geraldo. <br /><br />I find it odd that a man who dislikes jews would surround himself or associate with jews. Perhaps it was/is a symptom of his schizophrenia or after his arrest and trial he became more resentful/bitter towards them. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-49287903449111304552015-10-04T09:55:26.722-04:002015-10-04T09:55:26.722-04:00"Oops! Looks like Frank's nibbling on the...<br /><br />"Oops! Looks like Frank's nibbling on the wires. Please try again in a few minutes."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-69325794852733828722015-10-04T07:57:39.144-04:002015-10-04T07:57:39.144-04:00@equinox - The one that I find most interesting is...<br />@equinox - The one that I find most interesting is the Bill Murphy interview. I just wish there was a better copy of the full interview somewhere on the net. I've seen better quality bits of it used in other things, but never found a full copy of it that didn't have an annoying buzzing sound throughout.<br /><br />A couple of the worst ones that I've seen are the interview with the androgynous Israeli where he jumps up and threatens to "smack you in your fuckin' mouth and make you understand what I'm saying to you" and the one where he's clearly drugged up and talking really slow in the prison chapel.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-42273057971926646052015-10-04T06:24:49.092-04:002015-10-04T06:24:49.092-04:00christopher butche said...
Equinox, only his body ...christopher butche said...<br />Equinox, only his body is in solitary. His mind is free.<br /><br />@christopher, I know that Charlie says something along these lines when people raise the topic of his having been in prison for so long. However, I still believe that the time which he has spent in solitary has been detrimental to his mental and physical health. It is to his credit that he has survived everything that has been thrown at him in the US prison system (including acid).<br /><br />I was thinking about Charlie's media interviews last night, and I would say my favourite is the one with Ron Reagan Jnr. He was very pleasant and respectful to Charlie, and that is what he got back. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com