tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post8343887539256362149..comments2024-03-28T20:31:17.737-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Examining FairnessMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-81035653825383618862013-12-12T00:09:38.688-05:002013-12-12T00:09:38.688-05:00Quite a legal precendent was set in that case.
S...Quite a legal precendent was set in that case. <br /><br />Someone whom did not kill Tate-LaBianca was convicted for doing just that.<br /><br />Question: If I tell you to kill someone, a group of people, exactly whom is it that guilty?<br /><br />Answer: Obviously it's on you. To be thrown in jail for saying something repulsive, well, that there is not worth any of that false wrapped in a flag patriotism people incorrectly call "fighting for freedom"<br /><br />If I remember correctly Manson could not be tied physically to either crime scene.<br /><br />I'm no Manson fanboy, what I am a huge fan of is "beyond a reasonable doubt"<br /><br />America needed a boogeyman of the day to whip up disgust for "dirty hippies". <br /><br />Bugliosi and presstitutes delivered.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02100967001812548981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-48027302786106450962013-12-11T23:58:33.402-05:002013-12-11T23:58:33.402-05:00Nice..it is fascinating that Manson, who,like you ...Nice..it is fascinating that Manson, who,like you said,didn't kill anyone,wound up being the fallguy even moreso than the main killer Watson. Quite a legal precedent was set there that the high and mighty hate to admit or even talk about. If I tell you to brutally murder someone, a group of people, whatever the "command" is, exactly who's guilty?<br /><br />Answer: obviously the person who pulls the trigger, swings the pipe etc.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02100967001812548981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-73929100011378407092013-07-15T15:35:08.255-04:002013-07-15T15:35:08.255-04:00the only reason that leslie has never been release...the only reason that leslie has never been released is the publicity and the way she is portrayed by everyone which is unfair to be honest james bulgers killers were just as nasty and worse then leslie but they got paroled. A bit of farce when it comes to leslie i think, shes payed her debtAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18170351104825713973noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-69196567877692838352013-07-09T17:13:49.684-04:002013-07-09T17:13:49.684-04:00I think it's long overdue that Leslie gets rel...I think it's long overdue that Leslie gets released and I find it kinda sad she got a five yr denial.<br />I also Don't think it's right for Debra Tate to be asking Sharon Tate fans on Facebook to write letters to Leslie and Bruce's parole board members to stop their release since they were not involved in her sisters death.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-45720342516763832752013-06-17T10:18:48.750-04:002013-06-17T10:18:48.750-04:00Doc Sierra said...
Here' another theory that I... Doc Sierra said...<br />Here' another theory that I have. I've always thought that the family believed in Helter Skelter but Charlie didn't. Being the manipulative sociopath that he is he just used it to keep them paranoid as a means to control them.<br /><br />Hi Doc Sierra, yes, I read/heard the same thing somewhere, that "Helter Skelter" was just something Charlie used when around certain people that it resonated with. It was the same thing with his ATWA thing, that he spoke that way around the people it resonated with making it easier for him to manipulate them. And so on, and so on. Actually, I remember where I read that, it was in Susan Atkins book, the name of which I don't recall as I type this.<br /><br />That Charlie spoke of certain subjects in a way to gain credibility with certain groups of people who were atuned to those subjects makes perfect sense to me. I do not believe the Tate/LaBianca murders had anything to do with the Helter Skelter nonsense he spouted, but Bugliosi heard the story and ran with it during the trial, and it stuck, which is unfortunate in my opinion, because it is hiding the real truth, which is why we are all here discussing this today.<br /><br />Anyway, I'm Randy. Been around since this blog started but don't post much. Glad to make your acquaintance.rfoster1https://www.blogger.com/profile/03498047285030700138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-91233982552681955492013-06-11T09:52:22.323-04:002013-06-11T09:52:22.323-04:00Hi Max.
Speaking of the late 60s, People talk abo...Hi Max. <br />Speaking of the late 60s, People talk about peace and love. I remember the late 60s in a different way. I remember the peace and love on TV commercials and some of the music but in my reality, I saw a lot violence, racism and danger. I remember riding with my mother through the Haight and man, it smelled bad, a lot of dirty looking people, and we even witnessed violence. I think that the contradiction is a commentary on the power of media.Doc Sierrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15092659205764422809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-90611851375985946772013-06-11T09:44:12.878-04:002013-06-11T09:44:12.878-04:00Thanks Matt. I dig you and everyone else here. I h...Thanks Matt. I dig you and everyone else here. I have a lot of spare time on my hands and this blog is something that helps fill the time. I don't remember how I found it but I'm glad that I did. I guess that in a way you could say the bus came by and I got on, that's when it all began....<br />Doc Sierrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15092659205764422809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-82524818966985464992013-06-11T06:13:05.137-04:002013-06-11T06:13:05.137-04:00Doc Sierra said...
Hi Matt. I hope you didn't ...<i>Doc Sierra said...<br />Hi Matt. I hope you didn't take that as a disrespect to the Eviliz blog.</i><br /><br /><b>Doc, you are one of my favorite people on this blog ever. You've never said anything that made me do anything but think or laugh. Sunshine daydream!</b>Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-79127055885717826802013-06-11T03:25:44.471-04:002013-06-11T03:25:44.471-04:00Sun King said... The one thing that still blows my...Sun King said... The one thing that still blows my mind is how Clem averted the PR Blitz that accompanies everyone else associated with Manson when they come up for parole. Heck he was released before the general public even got wind of it.<br /><br />Clem was released in '85. I wonder if victims' families were notified of parole hearings then. I wonder if they are now?orwhuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14689926449812436866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-45947777175632594882013-06-10T23:54:54.394-04:002013-06-10T23:54:54.394-04:00Helter Skelter was just a metaphor for chaos in th...Helter Skelter was just a metaphor for chaos in the streets. This was the late '60s. At the ranch it was something that everyone put their own ideas and predictions into. It took on a life of its own and, depending on who you talk to, it had many different meanings. It wasn't necessarily THEIR rap - everyone was talking that way back then, just using different words.<br /><br />Max Frosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06931165830559683001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-29025360498848610362013-06-10T23:40:35.518-04:002013-06-10T23:40:35.518-04:00Here' another theory that I have. I've alw...Here' another theory that I have. I've always thought that the family believed in Helter Skelter but Charlie didn't. Being the manipulative sociopath that he is he just used it to keep them paranoid as a means to control them.Doc Sierrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15092659205764422809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-70504627698286602842013-06-10T23:11:34.639-04:002013-06-10T23:11:34.639-04:00Exactly, yeah. He learned that from Charlie.
He ...Exactly, yeah. He learned that from Charlie. <br /><br />He kind of talked in a way that implied he was somewhat impaired in the MANSON docu - and, yet, everything he said was brilliant. Max Frosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06931165830559683001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-44942993832808630472013-06-10T22:59:34.581-04:002013-06-10T22:59:34.581-04:00Max Frost said...
It's like Hendrickson s... Max Frost said...<br /><br /> It's like Hendrickson said "Clem was the smartest one at the ranch."<br />--------------------------------<br />Good point Max. After all, they were slippies. I always thought Clem just played stupid to make people underestimate him. Doc Sierrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15092659205764422809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-64664725346038580862013-06-10T22:22:33.956-04:002013-06-10T22:22:33.956-04:00It's like Hendrickson said "Clem was the ...It's like Hendrickson said "Clem was the smartest one at the ranch."Max Frosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06931165830559683001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-44566050690479471922013-06-10T22:16:49.882-04:002013-06-10T22:16:49.882-04:00The one thing that still blows my mind is how Clem...The one thing that still blows my mind is how Clem averted the PR Blitz that accompanies everyone else associated with Manson when they come up for parole. Heck he was released before the general public even got wind of it. <br /><br />He also was with the crew that went out to the LaBianca's and was fortunate to get off as being an accomplice on that one as well. How much time did he serve, less than 15 yrs. for murder? Sure he gave up the location of Shorty but didn't that just confirm his involvement? <br /><br />It seems to me that the Manson case is still way too high profile and the general public for anyone to get fair treatment under the system. Once the media made Manson out to be the Most Evil it left an impression on the GP, true or not and everyone else associated with Manson bears that burden. <br /><br />Sun Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10515301825618609488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-40379223729626642412013-06-10T21:49:59.056-04:002013-06-10T21:49:59.056-04:00Hi Matt. I hope you didn't take that as a disr...Hi Matt. I hope you didn't take that as a disrespect to the Eviliz blog. I usually don't give attention to trolls but I hate internet bullies. I've been pretty sick and on pain meds lately and I'm a little out of sorts. I'll just ignore this guy from now on.......Doc Sierrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15092659205764422809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-57447852780717937582013-06-10T21:29:58.366-04:002013-06-10T21:29:58.366-04:00The killers were betrayed by a system that gave th...The killers were betrayed by a system that gave them an excuse. <br /><br />The system offered up the ridiculous Helter Skelter theory, complete with Manson controlling their minds and making them kill for him. So they ride on that excuse every time they meet the parole board. "Charlie was controlling me and I killed for him because that's what he wanted me to do" blah blah. <br /><br />But the parole board knows it's a bullshit story. They sit there watching a mass murderer claiming to be a victim. No real remorse - just someone pleading "I didn't have a choice, I was forced to do it."Max Frosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06931165830559683001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-88739551599173847592013-06-10T20:50:00.586-04:002013-06-10T20:50:00.586-04:00Yes, none of us do know the whole story(s) and tha...Yes, none of us do know the whole story(s) and that's why these blogs are as popular as they are! The "system" is full of inequities, but if Leslie has five more years, chances are Pat is not going anywhere soon. Tex is not, just based on general principles, but I would like him to be forthright about the Shea murder (who/what AND why) as well as did he know S. LeBarge before (probably), what was the real deal w/Crowe, what was the real reason(s) for Hinman (drugs, money, or both). At the very least he could upgrade his credibility. Always Curioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08670195195912887453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-77120611100374074262013-06-10T20:15:27.734-04:002013-06-10T20:15:27.734-04:00No big deal. We've deleted him at least 50 tim...No big deal. We've deleted him at least 50 times in the last 4 days. We have admins on both coasts to most people never see that crap.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-8360155571372705252013-06-10T20:10:34.377-04:002013-06-10T20:10:34.377-04:00You must have gotten all of those before I saw the...You must have gotten all of those before I saw them. When I was trying to figure out what Doc meant, I did a search, and didn't find any from hexjoe of that nature.orwhuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14689926449812436866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-10199800659692243662013-06-10T20:02:48.133-04:002013-06-10T20:02:48.133-04:00Just nonsensical rants against women, Jews and oth...Just nonsensical rants against women, Jews and others. Manson is a real man. The rest of us are all pussies.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-42138730686065404172013-06-10T19:57:28.521-04:002013-06-10T19:57:28.521-04:00I'm glad you cleared that up, Matt. Doc must ...I'm glad you cleared that up, Matt. Doc must have been talking about a post that was deleted before I saw it. That would also explain why I haven't seen any new posts from hexjoe in a long time.orwhuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14689926449812436866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-46796176990018599342013-06-10T19:50:16.806-04:002013-06-10T19:50:16.806-04:00Doc, He's been posting that crap for a long ti...Doc, He's been posting that crap for a long time now. He gets deleted on-site. I don't know why he bothers...Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-83947457562666777122013-06-10T19:01:12.317-04:002013-06-10T19:01:12.317-04:00Hex Troll needs to get a life. I bet that when you...Hex Troll needs to get a life. I bet that when you were a kid and were 16 years old in the 3rd grade your report card said "Does not get along with or play well with others". All you do is come on here and bother people. You really need to leave. Your tin foil hat is wearing out and it's messing with your last two brain cells.Doc Sierrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15092659205764422809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-48520604540826518422013-06-10T18:58:36.939-04:002013-06-10T18:58:36.939-04:00You're right. None of us here do know the whol...You're right. None of us here do know the whole story. I don't purport to know the whole story. <br /><br />But certain things are known and when you tie all those things together you end up with something of a framework or skeleton of a story. A place to operate from and begin to fill in the blanks.<br /><br />If you look at what I posted above you'll notice there are certainly a lot of blanks not filled in. But the overall framework is solid. It's only part of the story but it's solid in that it is well researched - as opposed to a sloppy shot in the dark.<br /><br />And I get tired of people constantly having to say "in my opinion." I mean, just say it. It's yours and you can say it without caution. As far as I'm concerned it's pretty much implied that most of what people say on a blog like this is opinion. So no need to keep clarifying that.Max Frosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06931165830559683001noreply@blogger.com