tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post8736953516176683676..comments2024-03-27T21:24:06.590-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: BUTTHURTMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-22087125717714531292016-11-01T23:00:18.773-04:002016-11-01T23:00:18.773-04:00Fart face tapes LMAOFart face tapes LMAOlostgirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10742957418664570974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-74190217304709839592016-10-30T09:50:02.289-04:002016-10-30T09:50:02.289-04:00What makes this guy think he's special enough ...What makes this guy think he's special enough to listen to those damn fart-face tapes? I'm sick of all these "experts" opening up their yaps about TLB. Nobody is an expert, except the perpetrators, and they've been known to lie out the ass. AustinAnn74https://www.blogger.com/profile/06342503212454947554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-15660561473292115472016-10-28T14:48:52.007-04:002016-10-28T14:48:52.007-04:00Am I to gather from that one quick line that the C...Am I to gather from that one quick line that the Col and Alisa Statman are no longer buds? Do tell, Col, please!starshiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13207679706874165027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-72046197377122482282016-10-28T12:11:41.727-04:002016-10-28T12:11:41.727-04:00I wonder if Linda Payne had a sneaky listen to the...I wonder if Linda Payne had a sneaky listen to the tapes......grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-63574167032575300932016-10-28T01:22:34.372-04:002016-10-28T01:22:34.372-04:00Tex running interference on the release of the tap...<br />Tex running interference on the release of the tapes was all the proof that I needed to conclude that he wasn't taking his Jesus conversion seriously. <br /><br />Also - the blowjobs that he got from other prisoners - that was proof too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-16311402113804791572016-10-28T00:18:55.018-04:002016-10-28T00:18:55.018-04:00Okay, thanks, I will look for it.Okay, thanks, I will look for it.DebShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093893870315262396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-7579170435432261912016-10-27T19:45:34.658-04:002016-10-27T19:45:34.658-04:00Deb
Her agreement required her to testify truthful...Deb<br />Her agreement required her to testify truthfully in all legal proceedings against all defendants.<br />I think it is referenced on line in the motion to vacate Mary Brunner's immunity which failedColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-84001057764409853982016-10-27T18:41:36.473-04:002016-10-27T18:41:36.473-04:00I thought of Bruce but thinking it through he woul...I thought of Bruce but thinking it through he would probably not be willing to speak out for the "accessory to murder(s)" reason that Robert C stated. I think Bruce just wants to get out of prison and wouldn't take the risk. I think he would be less likely to lie than some of the others.<br /><br />Kasabian will never write a book because she is named on the restitution lawsuit that Frokowski's family have continued to keep intact. I would like to see her immunity agreement though and find out what exactly the terms are of the agreement.DebShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093893870315262396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-27767488826175243372016-10-27T18:08:20.161-04:002016-10-27T18:08:20.161-04:00I may have missed something here but are there any...I may have missed something here but are there any petitions now or pending for access to those tapes ?<br /><br />Seems a shame we can't have all the 'poisons in the mud' hatch out about the case for the record.<br /><br />Dreath said: "Thinking out loud I gonna vote for Kasabian- She got immunity and she's not in jail trying to get out. She was there both nights and close to Watson. She also comes up frequently in the many conspiracy theories."<br /><br />I suspect she, like all the other family 'accessory to murder(s)' members but running around free now, would be justifiably scared to get back into the fray and have something come down on them, even with 'immunity' back then. If there were no threats they'd all likely be writing up their memoirs for the big bucks (and we'd be buying them lol).<br />Robert Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11931071604173368606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-81341014315604874212016-10-27T17:44:51.446-04:002016-10-27T17:44:51.446-04:00Interesting nobody mentions Bruce.
Clem got hims...Interesting nobody mentions Bruce. <br /><br />Clem got himself out more or less for trading info. If Bruce or anyone else knew anything wouldn't they have tried to "Deal" ?? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-43900988267476149162016-10-27T17:42:10.917-04:002016-10-27T17:42:10.917-04:00It was a great comment Cielo!It was a great comment Cielo!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-21741539950044216122016-10-27T17:28:52.721-04:002016-10-27T17:28:52.721-04:00Cielo, I couldn't agree more.Cielo, I couldn't agree more. Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-204177135509941912016-10-27T15:39:57.355-04:002016-10-27T15:39:57.355-04:00The more I learn about the case as the years go by...The more I learn about the case as the years go by & I grow older, the more I think that Helter Skelter or some equally inane/insane directive of Charlie's is probably the reason TLB occurred. Hinman is muddier & yalls incredibly detailed posts on gary's murder & its aftermath give ample ammunition for arguments on both sides. That being said, I think Tex and Charlie both have the definitive answers regarding the chronology & motives behind the events of those mythic, tragic nights.<br />I am curious if Watson mentions his putative drug dealing career (a là Schreck) on the tapes. Loganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05317087119665050796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-979531653413639312016-10-27T15:36:19.682-04:002016-10-27T15:36:19.682-04:00* Haynie case* Haynie caseCieloDrive.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03772677089227025942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-91580493453136653622016-10-27T15:34:11.310-04:002016-10-27T15:34:11.310-04:00I don't see away around the Haynie class, whic...I don't see away around the Haynie class, which in my opinion gives law enforcement carte blanche to ignore the records act. The DA's position is that the inquiry into the tapes constitutes an investigation. Personally, I think it's far too circular of an argument. They were never investigating any specific cases. It was a total fishing expedition and they didn't catch anything<br /><br />Pfeiffer hasn't been successful getting the tapes through Brady because the courts don't feel it would change the outcome of the conviction. Pfeiffer's argument is the same as the People's. But Manson, could make an argument for Brady material. Assuming Manson has been truthful and he didn't tell Tex to go to Cielo and murder - not my assumption, by the way - then the tapes would confirm that. The tapes were recorded before any account had been publicized therefore whatever Watson had to say, he said without the benefit of knowing what his coconspirators had said. So to all the people out there that constantly talk about how Manson was not given his rights to defend himself; that the trial was rigged; that he had nothing to do with Cielo Drive, etc. Now is the time for you to put down your seedguns and go get a lawyer, file a writ and push the same argument Pfeiffer made for Van Houten, this time for Charlie. Because that would change the conviction and would be a worthy argument for an in camera review. <br /><br />I'm not going to hold my breath.CieloDrive.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03772677089227025942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-30018455750265686172016-10-27T15:13:00.790-04:002016-10-27T15:13:00.790-04:00RE Tex- he would say ANYTHING To get out of Prison...RE Tex- he would say ANYTHING To get out of Prison. Tell him to blame Fidel and bam Castro goes down<br /><br /><br />Linda- not a bad idea but here is the thing- she's kinda like Verbal Kint (for real not undercover)- she was picked because she was a dumbass druggie hippie airhead bitch. Not because she had a license (she wasn't always even driving) but because she wanted to belong to the group. Do we think she knows a goddamn thing?ColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-77960014335105923342016-10-27T15:05:59.099-04:002016-10-27T15:05:59.099-04:00ColScott said: "Let me ask this to all of you...ColScott said: "Let me ask this to all of you- IF there was one person who might still have the answers we seek who is it and how would we know they weren't lying?"<br /><br />Who: Thinking out loud I gonna vote for Kasabian- She got immunity and she's not in jail trying to get out. She was there both nights and close to Watson. She also comes up frequently in the many conspiracy theories. <br /><br />Not lying: Now that's the tough part. She would want money which would make anything she said suspect. She doesn't have to worry about Bugliosi hovering around anymore so that helps. You would need a way to independently verify the information- and something that also didn't lie like physical evidence. <br /><br />If the tapes really are full of cities in the desert and racial theories doesn't that put a pretty big dent in the 'other motives'?Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-63025705217953402152016-10-27T14:54:08.133-04:002016-10-27T14:54:08.133-04:00Matt said: "That's just it, Patty. There ...Matt said: "That's just it, Patty. There is no investigation so they shouldn't be protected." <br /><br />As long as you mean 'shouldn't' I agree. But.......<br /><br />Williams v. Superior Court (Freedom Newspapers, Inc.)19 Cal Rptr 2d 882 (1993)<br /><br />"We conclude that the exemption for law enforcement investigatory files does not end when the investigation ends. While there may be reasons of policy that would support a time limitation on the exemption for investigatory files, such a limitation is virtually impossible to reconcile with the language and history of subdivision (f)."<br /><br />That is why I want to see what the DA actually argued and the court actually said especially given this: <br /><br />Williams v. Superior Court (Freedom Newspapers, Inc.)19 Cal Rptr 2d 882 (1993)<br /><br />"However, when a petitioner has made a prima facie showing that documents are being improperly withheld, the court logically must [in camera] review the documents and hear the agency's claim for withholding them in order to determine whether they actually relate to the investigation and, thus, properly belong in the file. Only through such an examination [in camera review] can the court ensure that an agency has not commingled investigatory materials with other documents that have no legitimate claim to confidentiality.”<br /><br /><br /><br />Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-71587142009767461582016-10-27T14:53:39.876-04:002016-10-27T14:53:39.876-04:00ColScott said...
Let me ask this to all of you- I...<i>ColScott said...<br /><br />Let me ask this to all of you- IF there was one person who might still have the answers we seek who is it...</i><br /><br /><b>Tex</b><br /><br /><i>and how would we know they weren't lying?</i><br /><br /><b></b>Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-63326288834392501312016-10-27T14:48:33.752-04:002016-10-27T14:48:33.752-04:00I dont know about the answers, but I always wished...I dont know about the answers, but I always wished we could here more from or about Mark Ross. I dont know enough about him to guess if we could trust him or not? He was always a real Wild Card to me.<br /><br />Charlie could as well, but Nope- we cant know if he is lying. I only tend to believe the rest of them a little more than usual when they all say the same about a specific event or subject ( especially when it is consistent over a period of time)- but even then with no real confidence.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-81241848217490275932016-10-27T14:26:56.566-04:002016-10-27T14:26:56.566-04:00Here's the thing. The po po has them and the...Here's the thing. The po po has them and they have no obligation to any of us to release them. Tom being all butthurt is a boo fucking hoo really. Would I love to hear them? Sure. But the thing is you cannot believe anybody left regarding this shit mess. O'Neill, Debra, Tex- these are all people fighting for maintenance of the narrative. <br /><br />Let me ask this to all of you- IF there was one person who might still have the answers we seek who is it and how would we know they weren't lying?ColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-62644221142757544392016-10-27T13:21:52.913-04:002016-10-27T13:21:52.913-04:00Panamint Patty said...
Does anyone have any idea w...<i>Panamint Patty said...<br />Does anyone have any idea what open investigation the tapes might be a part of? That is intriguing to Patty</i><br /><br /><b>That's just it, Patty. There is no investigation so they shouldn't be protected.</b><br /><br /><br />Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-56406822829115334192016-10-27T13:11:42.802-04:002016-10-27T13:11:42.802-04:00St Circumstance said...
terrible rule in my opini... St Circumstance said...<br /><br /><b>terrible rule in my opinion. They should make a " Family Exemption" or something. It makes no sense and gives the impression of hiding something- even though I don't think they are.<br />The only reason I can understand to not release is to protect. That leaves people to speculate about protecting what?</b><br /><br />I'm not so sure that the families would actually benefit from hearing those tapes. There's been such saturation coverage of this case from almost every conceivable angle for nearly half a century. It sometimes feels like various family members have been almost emotionally coerced into maintaining a stance come parole time.<br />I wonder if some of them have ever felt that they just want to get away from the whole thing. But perhaps can't for fear of how they would then be portrayed.<br /><br /> Cielodrive.com said...<br /><br /><b>it's unfortunate that we cannot listen to the tapes</b><br /><br />It's unfortunate because I'm nosy ! I'd like to hear the tape {well, actually, I'd like to read the transcript. People speaking on tape tend to send me to sleep}. Some of the ones that have turned up recently {Leslie with Marvin Part & Mike McGann, Susan with Richard Caballero, Ronnie Howard, Virginia Graham, Brooks Poston etc, not to mention the dialogue from Robert's book} have been endlessly fascinating and useful to those of us who are looking for a deeper insight into things as they stood at the time pertaining to the case.<br />I'd be particularly interested in what Tex had to say if it is true that these interviews were done before he was a publicly named suspect in the case. It would give an interesting window into his mind at the time because pretty much everything we've had from him since the end of '69 has been "retrospective aforethought," if you know what I mean.<br />grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-31941561885956497662016-10-27T12:56:58.490-04:002016-10-27T12:56:58.490-04:00Does anyone have any idea what open investigation ...Does anyone have any idea what open investigation the tapes might be a part of? That is intriguing to Patty.Patty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-83686574893587642582016-10-27T11:38:30.053-04:002016-10-27T11:38:30.053-04:00Watson pleads the fifth now before his hearings, s...Watson pleads the fifth now before his hearings, so nothing is going to come out.Manson Mythoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10335867657444116691noreply@blogger.com