tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post8838410680248420971..comments2024-03-28T23:53:16.262-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: The Manson SessionsMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger80125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-15377615739920788962019-12-18T02:45:27.905-05:002019-12-18T02:45:27.905-05:00Lurch, do you have a copy of that book? Can you se...Lurch, do you have a copy of that book? Can you send me a pic of the label & whatever info it has in there about the Silverhorn 7”? I would really appreciate it. I’ve been looking for that record or even just a picture of it for 20+ years and haven’t ever been able to locate it.<br />My email is : deathcrush013@yahoo.comA person of inconsequential existencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01876797038811549732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-74720270123166328742019-09-14T15:12:04.624-04:002019-09-14T15:12:04.624-04:00Hey David. I've seen that color photo of Charl...Hey David. I've seen that color photo of Charles Manson playing the guitar in a documentary, but I can't remember which one. Do you remember where you got that screen-cap photo from?<br />In the documentary, they said the photo was taken at Dennis Wilson's house. Your help would be greatly appreciated.PaulHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02965666446497527968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-9253886682545879042019-09-14T15:07:53.344-04:002019-09-14T15:07:53.344-04:00David. That color screen-cap photo of Manson playi...David. That color screen-cap photo of Manson playing the guitar is very interesting. I've seen that photo in a documentary (where they said it was taken at Brian Wilson's house). But I can't remember which documentary. (I've seen so many.) Do you remember the documentary that photo was shown in? I assume you got it from there. THANKS SO MUCH. PaulPaulHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02965666446497527968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-74300412385625507732019-02-19T03:46:15.434-05:002019-02-19T03:46:15.434-05:00An old post, but I wanted to comment. Manson was f...An old post, but I wanted to comment. Manson was fastidious about his (and the girls) hygiene. In fact, up until he died, he was actually well pretty well groomed and practiced good personal hygiene, according to visitors and reporters. What those people are likely smelling are the effects on the body from taking LSD. Those who have ever tripped or been around people taking acid knows there's often a fairly powerful smell. I'm not going to look up what causes it but it's pretty common and well known among druggies.TheLatchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07182699352090285315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-4535583817515054052017-08-03T09:51:59.161-04:002017-08-03T09:51:59.161-04:00I can tell you for a fact that Charlie recorded th...I can tell you for a fact that Charlie recorded the Silverhorn 45 with Phil at Brian's house in 1968. This 45 was only put out to a couple of people. The one copy that I thought to exist was in the hands of Dr. Demento as stated above. I spoke with (Barrett) aka Dr. Demento about this release in 2015, he had indicated that he got rid of his copy in 2013 to an undisclosed source. This is the ONLY copy of this 45 that I know to exist. Attempts were made to discuss with Phil, but to no avail due to his health situation. The Silverhorn single was indeed confirmed by Charles in 2013 and was also confirmed that this was recorded in 1968 at Brian Wilsons home studio.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12215120399895635541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-53003903564590434362017-06-22T21:23:19.193-04:002017-06-22T21:23:19.193-04:00I think the most likely scenario is this: Rather t...I think the most likely scenario is this: Rather than completely cutting ties with Manson in August '68 as the common narrative goes, Dennis followed the Family out to Spahn's and spent at least part of his time living there between his commitments in L.A. and on tour. In December it's also likely he at least visited the Family at Barker's ranch (or "lived there" as he states in one article) before departing on tour. While he's away, "Never Learn Not to Love" is released, and Charlie is angered by the change in lyrics.<br /><br />Upon returning to California, Dennis potentially encounters Charlie somewhere and learns that Charlie is upset and wants money for his song that he did not receive credit for. (Also, numerous eyewitnesses point to December '68 as the point where Manson started to become outwardly scary in appearance.) Dennis by this point has probably had enough, but nevertheless sets up Charlie with some studio time at Brian's in February in an effort to assuage him.<br /><br />After that didn't work out, it's likely to me that Dennis had had enough and pawns Charlie off on his friend Gregg Jakobson. (Could this be when the bullet incident occurred?) Jakobson takes Charlie to Wilder Bros. studios where Charlie upsets the engineer in charge and gives away his guitars. Now realizing that Charlie and recording studios are not a workable match, Jakobson cultivates the idea to do a field recording of the Family and enlists Terry Melcher.<br /><br />In late May, Jakobson and Melcher head down to the ranch to meet with Manson. They then return on June 3 with Mike Deasy and his mobile unit. The meeting goes badly when they witness Charlie assault a ranch hand, and Melcher and Jakobson split. Deasy remains behind, gets dosed, starts a fight with Tex and Bruce and then escapes with his life two days later after receiving a heavy beatdown. By this point Charlie is now considered bad news in Hollywood circles, and any shot he had at a music career is now finito.<br /><br />Does all this sound plausible to you?J Pinnaclehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05706497884584568348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-10913816258531032852017-06-22T21:23:12.940-04:002017-06-22T21:23:12.940-04:00Nice job of research there, David. I will say I...Nice job of research there, David. I will say I'm still not entirely convinced that the second and third interview originate from the 1969 European Beach Boys' tour, but I remain open-minded either way.<br /><br />The evidence for two separate interviews, if you want to call it that, is the mention of the gig in Berlin where Dennis yelled at the backing musicians; but the problem with that is that the Berlin gig was on June 14th, and yet is being addressed in the May issue of RAVE. When you consider that periodicals are often released a few weeks in advance, it's possible the May, 1969 issue of RAVE could have been on the shelves as early as April, well over a month prior to June 14.<br /><br />I would argue it *might* be more likely that the author or Dennis is either confusing Berlin with Munich or Dusseldorf (both stops on the Dec. '68 Euro tour), or that there was also a Berlin gig on that 1968 tour that just hasn't turned up on the Bellagio site. I can envision a scenario where the author simply divided up a long-form interview into three parts and capitalized by selling the latter two segments when the Beach Boys returned to Europe. This is just a guess, though.<br /><br />However, I remain convinced that you are right about your overarching point that Dennis's relationship with Manson continued on until at least early 1969. There's actually some evidence for this apart from the Record Mirror and RAVE articles:<br /><br />* Jakobson mentioning he and Dennis arranging for Charlie to record at Brian Wilson's studio in "January or February of 1969".<br /><br />* Paul Watkins in his book stating that Charlie took two trips from Death Valley to L.A. to meet with Dennis and Gregg regarding a recording session, one in November of '68 and one on January 2, 1969.<br /><br />* Most damningly, Dennis HIMSELF stating that he and the Family were actually forced to flee the house on Sunset TOGETHER due to pressure from nosy onlookers and the police, and that Dennis was actually living at Spahn's for some time after August! (Not to mention, apparently accompanying the Family to Death Valley in early December.)<br />J Pinnaclehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05706497884584568348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-55447946365618150332017-06-20T10:41:00.856-04:002017-06-20T10:41:00.856-04:00Pinnacle, Ziggy,
I'll take one last shot at ...Pinnacle, Ziggy, <br /><br />I'll take one last shot at trying to defend Desper's 'few weeks before the murders' comment. <br /><br />I too saw the Never Learn Not to Love quote. In fact, this post originally said the 'few weeks' comment was wrong. Then he confirmed it. But, the two interviews with the British magazines tipped the scale for me. I understand that interviews don't necessarily show up within 'days'. But there still has to be the opportunity for the interview. I tried to cover that here: <br /><br />http://www.mansonblog.com/2017/01/when-did-dennis-wilson-finally-sever.html<br /><br />Based upon Wilson's presence in England the interviews almost have to be from May 1969. Especially the Goddard interview which is 'after' the December 1968 'I Live With 17 Girls' interview by Goddard- it is a follow up interview. <br /><br />In those interviews Wilson speaks of Manson in the 'present tense' and mentions his possible appearance on Brother Records- an odd thing to talk about if the Wilson-Manson connection was severed a year prior and the recording was done before that. <br /><br />Next- the official narrative says Manson and Wilson split in August '68 but Never Learn Not to Love was recorded in September '68 again, after the split that allegedly was partially motivated by that recording- only it hadn't happened yet- you need that time machine there too. <br /><br />Then there is the bullet visit, which is variously described as late August or September '69. To me it doesn't make sense that Manson would go looking for Wilson a year after they allegedly split. <br /><br />So I don't think this comment means Manson was 'in studio' recording around the time of Never Learn Not to Love: "Manson was only in the studio one evening, by himself and his silent girls. He never conferred or worked in any way with the group."<br /><br />Then again, that's one big reason I asked Desper if I could interview him. Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-74898811337237011882017-06-19T16:21:41.812-04:002017-06-19T16:21:41.812-04:00Hi David, that's too bad about the AFM. You...Hi David, that's too bad about the AFM. You're right, if we had all the info they needed to go after those sheets, we wouldn't need them in the first place!<br /><br />Of course it occurred to me after posting that Charlie probably wouldn't have gone through the trouble of joining the AFM in the first place, so the session might well have been "off the books", so to speak.<br /><br />Ziggyosterberg, thanks for finding that Desper quote. It definitely points things back towards 1968, which somewhat contradicts his prior quote of "the events of the follow weeks" and muddies the water even further. Hmmm...<br /><br />Interestingly enough, I found myself re-reading the June 25, 1970 Rolling Stone article yesterday, and there were an abundance of clues within. I'd highly recommend anybody interested in Charlie's brief recording career go back and at least read the interview segments with Phil Kaufman, Gary Stromberg and Gregg Jakobson, but I'll attempt to pull some of the more pertinent info and post it here for everyone.<br /><br />For starters there is a brief bit of dialog copied verbatim of Charlie doing his "if someone beats you with a whip and you love the whip" rap that is credited in the article as being from "Gary Stromberg's tape of Manson". Since this is on Psychedelic Soul, I think we can close the book once and for all that the material on that bootleg is indeed the Stromberg/Universal sessions. Phew.<br /><br />In the Manson interview segment, the author asks him about the music on the Lie album. Manson responds: "All the good music was stolen. What's there is a couple of years old."<br /><br />Phil Kaufman: "(Stromberg/Universal) did record him. He went in and did three hours of tapes, and they wanted him to do some more but he just split one day... He showed up a year later in another studio, but after he recorded, he split again and never signed anything."<br /><br />Gregg Jakobson: "And then in January or February of 1969, eight or nine months after I met him, we started recording him. Charlie was living at the ranch at that time, and Dennis and I fooled around recording him over at Brian Wilson's house. As you know, Brian has this studio in his house. But Charlie couldn't make it with those people. They're too stiff for him."<br /><br />Jakobson, again: "Sometime later I started recording Charlie at a little studio here called Wilder Studio."<br /><br />Also earlier in the article the author possibly confirms that Manson was never part of the AFM: "Shortly after Manson's arrest, the musicians' local in Los Angeles wrote the Times and said flatly that he had checked his union's records and that Manson definitely was not a musician."<br /><br />At any rate, just putting these little bits of info out there, so that possibly someone can take the ball and run with it. Either way it's been a fun conversation.J Pinnaclehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05706497884584568348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-62373039675325011412017-06-15T11:37:18.858-04:002017-06-15T11:37:18.858-04:00The time frame that Desper is claiming doesn't...<br />The time frame that Desper is claiming doesn't make much sense.<br /><br />"Never Learn Not to Love" ("Cease to Exist") came out in 1968. <br /><br />Quoting Desper : <br /><br /><b>"[Never Learn Not To Love] was a fair trade for the outline of a song that Manson recorded at the Beach Boy's expense, in their studio."<br /><br />“Manson only had a song with basic chords on the guitar and a melody lead line. It was the 'Boys who took that basic concept and turned it into a real commercial tune. All the added vocal arrangement throughout the entire song was created by Brian and Carl. Manson was only in the studio one evening, by himself and his silent girls. He never conferred or worked in any way with the group.”</b><br /><br /><br />All of that had to happen in 1968, unless they had access to a time machine. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-58307009278621470422017-06-08T10:34:27.900-04:002017-06-08T10:34:27.900-04:00Then again, maybe not. It appears the exact inform...Then again, maybe not. It appears the exact information we would be searching for is the information they need to do the research. <br /><br />"At present, our archives are currently not staffed. Research is available on an extremely limited basis.<br /><br />Fees: $30/hour with a three-hour minimum<br /><br />Payment must be received prior to research. Local 47 members receive up to one hour of complimentary consultation time to determine the extent of effort necessary to fulfill your request.<br /><br />When making requests for document research, the Archive Department needs as much information as possible about your requested item for the inquiry to be successful. The following information is required when requesting a document:<br /><br />Year of event/show<br />Air date<br />Leader of session<br />Employer/Signatory<br />Song title<br />Artist"Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-82617967952823489712017-06-08T10:25:51.686-04:002017-06-08T10:25:51.686-04:00J Pinnacle,
I may give that a try. Thanks.J Pinnacle,<br /><br />I may give that a try. Thanks.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-54144951830639591832017-06-07T19:34:38.644-04:002017-06-07T19:34:38.644-04:00David, thank you for your response. I had forgotte...David, thank you for your response. I had forgotten about that quote ("Stromberg ruined my music" or words to that effect). The three-hour session captured on the Psychedelic Soul bootleg doesn't seem to fit that description; it sounds more like an audition than a serious attempt at laying down tracks, so it's hard to see how those off-the-cuff performances could be "destroyed" when they weren't releasable to begin with. The Gold Star session in '68 seems much more likely to fit that quote, since as you say, the addition of backing musicians would likely qualify as destructive in Charlie's mind.<br /><br />Then again, Manson's own accounts have plenty of obvious mistakes, such as his repeated references to Neil Young as "Neil Diamond". I'm afraid too many of the details have been obscured by time, and those few of us interested might never get to the bottom of Manson's recording history.<br /><br />One last ditch effort might be for somebody to contact AFM (American Federation of Musicians) Local 47 in Los Angeles, and ask the archiver there to locate copies of session logs credited to Charles Manson or the Manson Family. Music researchers have long used "AFM sheets" to try and clear up questionable recording dates. This wouldn't help with the Wilson home sessions of course, but at least it would be possible to see what songs were recorded in the various studios, as well as who the other musicians, producers, etc. were on each session.<br /><br />Mr. Humphrat-- sure thing! ;)J Pinnaclehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05706497884584568348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-81716674983920213892017-06-06T11:58:28.773-04:002017-06-06T11:58:28.773-04:00Good posts J Pinnacle.Good posts J Pinnacle.JWDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01458047676962096300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-39540662267359125382017-06-03T10:54:14.257-04:002017-06-03T10:54:14.257-04:00Thanks for your information PinnacleThanks for your information PinnacleMr. Humphrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18206702171683458150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-44991917736044204922017-05-31T13:02:01.416-04:002017-05-31T13:02:01.416-04:00J Pinnacle,
Interesting stuff. One comment- I re...J Pinnacle, <br /><br />Interesting stuff. One comment- I recall reading/hearing that Manson thought Stromberg ruined his songs (can't remember where). The Gold Star sessions being session musicians might support you. Bringing in a bunch of session guys with little to go by except a few cords Their own skill and whatever the booth was saying) might have led to a sound Manson thought 'ruined' his music. Speculation of course. Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-13951500636282517572017-05-30T18:20:24.465-04:002017-05-30T18:20:24.465-04:00After this it gets murky, but bear with me...
&qu...<br />After this it gets murky, but bear with me...<br /><br />"Cease to Exist", "Don't Do Anything Illegal", "Arkansas" and "Garbage Dump" feature just Charlie playing electric rhythm guitar alongside Bobby's signature lead guitar noodling. I'd almost certainly think these were the Wilder Brother sessions Beausoliel describes, except that there is also a female backing vocals ensemble present. Also complicating matters is the fact that I detect the presence of reverb on Charlie's vocals on the first two tracks, while the second two are recorded "dry".<br /><br />I don't know if I can make a judgement here. These could have been cut by Charlie and Bobby at Wilder Brothers and the backing vocals overdubbed at a later date, or maybe what Bobby meant by his quote is that it was just he and Charlie *instrumentally*. Alternately, maybe these tracks were recorded at Brian's place, although the presence of reverb on the first two tracks would seem to negate that. (I remember a story that the Beach Boys were forced to sing in Brian's swimming pool to achieve a reverb sound.)<br /><br />Moving on: "People Say I'm No Good", "Who to Blame", "I Once Knew a Man" and "Home Is Where You're Happy" feature Charlie on acoustic rhythm guitar and dry vocals, backed by an unknown percussionist playing a tabla or some kind of hand drum. There are no backing vocals I can detect except for a brief solo wordless female vocal harmony during "I Once Knew a Man". I could easily see these tracks being recorded at Brian's home studio, perhaps even with Dennis on percussion, but of course that's just a hypothesis.<br /><br />"Look at Your Game Girl" and "Eyes of a Dreamer" are outliers. "Game" is Charlie unaccompanied, while "Dreamer" features just an acoustic lead guitar riffing underneath. Maybe a second musician played it, but it could just as easily been overdubbed by Manson himself. If I had to guess, I'd say that these *could* be from the Desper sessions, but if the tape was locked away in a vault and never touched as Desper claims, then perhaps not.<br /><br />"Struggle" and "I'll Never Say Never to Always"-- maybe from the Mike Deasy sessions? "Never Say Never" definitely has reverb added, but what that means I couldn't tell you.<br /><br />At any rate, I'm posting this here just to see if this information can be helpful to anyone that's interested. It would be really cool to eventually track down all the proper session info, or at least I think so!J Pinnaclehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05706497884584568348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-14795380126941141552017-05-30T18:20:14.330-04:002017-05-30T18:20:14.330-04:00The Brian Wilson home studio session is likely fro...The Brian Wilson home studio session is likely from summer 1969 as well. Apart from engineer Stephen Desper's comments that it was prior to "the events in the follow (sic) weeks", there is another clue here: Desper vividly describes "the smell of this un-kept and un-washed human".<br /><br />Watkins again: "People have been led to believe that the Manson Family was “dirty and<br />unkempt,” but this was not the case. Up until the summer of 1969, Charlie demanded<br />good personal hygiene, and that clothes, food, musical instruments – everything – be<br />kept orderly. But living at Spahn’s like commandos made it impossible to maintain these<br />standards."<br /><br />So it seems very likely to me that, had this session occurred in summer of '68 while Charlie had been living at Dennis's and had access to showers and a swimming pool, he would not be unkempt and unwashed upon entering a recording studio where he was trying to make a positive impression.<br /><br />However, I'd put forth the possibility that the Desper-engineered session in 1969, *might* not have been the only session that took place at Brian Wilson's home studio. Here's Watkins one more time, describing his impressions of Dennis Wilson upon meeting him in August of '68:<br /><br />"Because Dennis liked Charlie's music, he was willing to help him and arranged for the Family to hold recording sessions in his brother Brian's Beverly Hills studio."<br /><br />Later, while the Family is staying in Canoga Park: "Through Dennis and Greg we lined up<br />recording sessions at Brian Wilson’s studio. But none of them went well."<br /><br />Notice the use of the plural "sessions", as well as the mention of "we" and "the Family" recording, as opposed to just Charlie solo as Desper described. Could there have been earlier sessions recorded at Brian's studio without Desper's involvement? I believe it's certainly conceivable given this quote.<br /><br />The 1969 sessions in Van Nuys (Sound City) and Wilder Brothers (Santa Monica) are perhaps even harder to get a bead on, but let's try.<br /><br />There's at least one relevant quote concerning each. Watkins on the Sound City session ("once again we took our group to a studio for a recording session in the valley, but things fell apart; Charlie got pissed off at the technicians and we split.") and Bobby on the Wilder Brothers one ("I did one session with Charlie, just he and I, at a small studio in Santa Monica in the spring of ‘69. The studio time was arranged with the help of Gregg Jakobson. This was the best one of them all – just Charlie and his acoustic, with me accompanying him on electric guitar.")<br /><br />So this at least tells us that the Van Nuys session was for the whole family ("we took our group"), while the Santa Monica session was just Manson and Beausoliel.<br /><br />Now comes the fun part: analyzing the "Lie" tracks to see what stems from what.<br /><br />"Big Iron Door" and "Sick City" are excerpts from the 9/11/67 UNi Records/Stromberg session. No mystery there.<br /><br />"Ego" and "Mechanical Man" seem to be the only ones to feature the entire Family, including Brooks on sitar and Gypsy on violin. I'm guessing these are from Sound City.<br />J Pinnaclehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05706497884584568348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-11831406118829264522017-05-30T18:19:51.182-04:002017-05-30T18:19:51.182-04:00This has been an interesting thread and I'm gl...This has been an interesting thread and I'm glad I've found it. I have recently been working along a similar line as the author, looking into the musical endeavors of Charlie and the family and trying to piece the various sessions together. I'll share what little information I have so far, as well as some hypotheses.<br /><br />First, I agree that the UNi Records/Stromberg sessions are what's heard on the Psychedelic Soul release, and that the man in the booth is most likely Stromberg. Sep. 11, 1967 seems to be the confirmed date for that.<br /><br />Interestingly, if you listen to the version of "Look at Your Game, Girl" from those sessions, the song is missing its chorus. This would indicate to me that Charlie had yet to complete the song at this point, and as such the earlier June 1967 date attributed to the more commonly heard version of "Game" would have to be incorrect.<br /><br />Likewise, "Eyes of a Dreamer" was also supposedly from the June '67 session according to Wiki. But in Paul Watkins' book, he mentions Charlie singing "a song he'd just written" to him shortly after he and Charlie returned to Spahn's in February of '69. The song was "Eyes of a Dreamer", which Watkins goes on to call "a fast moving ballad... one we would later record on our album".<br /><br />The fact that we have a nascent version of "Game" dating from September of '67, as well as Watkins' statement (and his timeline as written in his book seems quite accurate otherwise) that "Game" was a brand new song as of February '69, makes me highly suspicious that either song was cut as early as June 1967. Unless someone can prove Charlie was even in L.A. that June, my theory is that somebody pulled that date out of their ass, and that Manson was not in a recording studio prior to the September 11 Stromberg session.<br /><br />The 08/08/68 Gold Star session in an interesting one. Gold Star, as stated, was a world-class facility favored by Phil Spector, the Beach Boys, the Buffalo Springfield and most of the other top Hollywood bands of the era. As such, I'm going to guess that this was the session Jerry Cole recounted in his interview that utilized the "Wrecking Crew" studio musicians, and where Charlie simply added his vocals over their backing tracks, as was common at the time.<br />J Pinnaclehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05706497884584568348noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-56365197228151243412017-05-26T09:34:30.780-04:002017-05-26T09:34:30.780-04:00Thanks Mr. Humphrat for the Lowell George info.
I...Thanks Mr. Humphrat for the Lowell George info.<br /><br />I have always wondered what people knew ( or suspected when). For example that comment, the 'Lance Fairweather' quote about Crowe and even the Desper comments all suggest early knowledge of something- pre arrest. Why would the comment be 'let's get out of here' if Manson was in jail- meaning the the story had broken. Before October '69 why be scared? And after the boogeyman is locked up. <br /><br />Of course it could all just be 20-20 hindsight. Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-49273381953593494772017-05-26T00:34:12.370-04:002017-05-26T00:34:12.370-04:00I can picture Charlie stinking. We've already...I can picture Charlie stinking. We've already heard that the girls stank, so they would maybe smell normal to each other. Adding a stink to his strong psychological presence makes for an even more challenging deal for outsiders. I'm picturing him in some of the situations where he was in close contact with people like Melcher and Candace Bergen and I wonder how they dealt with it (the stink) Maybe he didn't always stink. I wonder if he even enjoyed testing outsiders to see their reaction to his smell.<br />BTW I looked up Lowell George and was surprised he was briefly in the Mother's of Invention in 68-69. Maybe that's when he met Manson. I know Zappa did.Mr. Humphrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18206702171683458150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-6251156262814621992017-05-23T17:18:07.829-04:002017-05-23T17:18:07.829-04:00Pheromones are pheromones and the number of women ...Pheromones are pheromones and the number of women Charlie had proves they were doing their job !grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-77364970716381730782017-05-22T19:04:13.514-04:002017-05-22T19:04:13.514-04:00So Manson smelled that bad... i imagined him with ...So Manson smelled that bad... i imagined him with cheap deodorants but at least a clean person - i really didn't get it hahahahaCrisPOAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09295095196597816876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-27156790876459499022017-05-22T16:00:44.797-04:002017-05-22T16:00:44.797-04:00justice_4_all2010 said...
And BTW...I did not kil...justice_4_all2010 said...<br /><br /><b>And BTW...I did not kill that peeping Tom though I could have since he fought me back</b><br /><br />This is what you said about the incident..."<i>we had a peeping-tom problem. I caught two of them at different times to peep on a different sister, called the police on each and went to court. Each one received a slap on the hand for their deeds.<br /><br />The next one about a year later, I played differently; I turned on no outside lights to announce my discovery of him and quietly slipped into the darkness with him. I silently searched the area and discovered him perched on a fence pole under the girl’s second floor room looking in, it was after midnight. In the large bedroom were my 17, 15, and 11 year old baby sister.<br />I watched for a second and when he made a motion as if he was trying to push the window open, I dropped the baseball bat I was carrying and attacked him, knocking him from the fence pole and proceeded to beat him until he was unconscious…than we called the police, the outside disturbance awoke my family and a neighbor.<br />Why the extreme violence? I knew by then that these types of people do not fear the police; they bail out and go about their despicable ways. I wanted him to fear me, I wanted word to get out NOT to peep at THAT house…and it worked. We had not had a peeping problem on our block for years after.<br /><br />Also…this same local kid (he was 18 at the time, I was 22) eventually went to prison for breaking and entering, assault and attempted rape… he escalated his petty crimes as FBI profiler John Douglas would years later write in his books. Peeping is no small matter.<br /><br />Now I would not use such violence on just anybody, nor for some ridicules reason as Helter Skelter…But as they say in Texas, 'Some people just need killin!'<br />If a serial rapist was paroled and moved next to me I would find a way to remove him, and even go as far as to start a fight and make it look like his fault. They are a menace to society and cannot change…it is in their nature.</i>"<br /><br />Nothing about the guy fighting back.<br />And you really ought to go and read again what I replied to that story before you put words in my mouth and ascribe to me conclusions I have not reached. I stand by everything I said in my reply then.<br /><br /><b>My respect for you is gone</b><br /><br />Boo hoo !<br />Does that mean I don't get the gold clock ?grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-15597049784187725722017-05-21T22:51:48.778-04:002017-05-21T22:51:48.778-04:00And BTW...I did not kill that peeping Tom though I...And BTW...I did not kill that peeping Tom though I could have since he fought me back...It is because I have Empathyjustice_4_all2010https://www.blogger.com/profile/18434997424896883146noreply@blogger.com