tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post9168694723509574533..comments2024-03-28T23:53:16.262-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Current Mugshots of Tate/Labianca murderersMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-13244047439689532102015-08-10T13:44:39.590-04:002015-08-10T13:44:39.590-04:00OMG!!! I almost spit out my drink when I read this...OMG!!! I almost spit out my drink when I read this.....AustinAnn74https://www.blogger.com/profile/06342503212454947554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-64717671846021610072015-08-08T06:31:52.287-04:002015-08-08T06:31:52.287-04:00Lmao....Boots your comments cracked me up. Love it...Lmao....Boots your comments cracked me up. Love it. ! SusanBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01810632766440131167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-42604346201787761692015-08-07T00:10:30.667-04:002015-08-07T00:10:30.667-04:00Shorty's pistolsAugust 6, 2015 at 5:06 AM
Als...Shorty's pistolsAugust 6, 2015 at 5:06 AM<br /><br />Also, I seem to remember that RP and Sharon assumed Melcher's (with Mark Lindsey still on there?) lease and were negotiating with Altobelli to get an extension and/or a re-write. That may be wrong, otherwise Melcher would have been named in RA's lawsuit.<br /><br />I have a copy of the lease they signed. Sharon and Roman also listed Gene Gutowski as a tenant on the lease. In the lease, there was a clause saying that they had to obtain 100k worth of liability insurance against damage to the property and contents, within 30 days of occupancy. They never did so.Trilbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01441933071553215934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-72144140629226417892015-08-06T15:40:51.477-04:002015-08-06T15:40:51.477-04:00Suze said...
"Let me tell you, the one thing... Suze said...<br /><br />"Let me tell you, the one thing you might not no about jail is that it is insanely boring. There is absolutely nothing to do if you aren't a trustee and have a job. Each hour seemed to last days...."<br /><br /><br />We naturally get angry about those in prison and when we hear of the supposed creature comforts that they have, because most of us work or study and don't always have access to those things that they apparently do, we feel like they aren't being punished enough.<br />But Suze is right. It's boring. Even supposing they had colour 50 inch screen TVs and Xbox ones, even those things become utterly monotonous when you're confronted with them day in and day out with no variation. And as for telly, I often jest that British daytime TV is punishment enough ! <br /><br /><br />Suze said...<br /><br />"I guarantee like most inmates her time is mostly spent doing nothing"<br /><br /><br />Pat has probably been more productive in her life in jail than many of us will ever be. <br />But.....this has been spread out over more than 45 years. When put into the ocean of at least 16,801 days of incarceration, there's probably been a lot of nothingness. She says as much; it was actually being faced with so much time to do nothing that she began to re~evaluate her life and realize just what she'd done.<br /><br />Suze said...<br /><br />"It's a life wasted and she knows it. She's intelligent and remorseful which must make it even worse"<br /><br /><br />Yeah. She was a smart cookie before hooking up with Charlie and what she <i>has</i> achieved in prison only goes to emphasize on one level what a wasted life it's been. Her best years.....<br />On the other hand, Karlene Faith observed that her death sentence was a horror but arguably a life sentence, especially when she'd been ready to die, was worse. I know many people will rail at that and I can see why, but I understand what Faith was getting at.<br />At the risk of incurring the wrath of many, a life sentence in prison is not necessarily easier to deal with and indeed may be a lot harder.<br /><br />Suze said...<br /><br />"If you think prison isn't real punishment, think again"<br /><br /><br />Here in England there has been an increasing escalation of the "lock'em up and throw away the key" way of thinking and anyone that disagrees with that as an absolute is painted as being soft on crime and a "do gooder" {a term used regularly with the utmost contempt}. <br />It's partly a reaction to the 60s and 70s "loosening of morals in Britain" and the prison reform movements were seen as part of that.<br />I've had a number of friends in prison and worked with too many kids that ended up there and I've yet to glean from anyone that it's something that they'd readily do again, even those that didn't take it seriously. I'll always remember one who, when I asked him if it was as easy as the press make out, told me that many of the guys put on bravado in jail. But when you're lying on your bed at night, hungry because that evening's meal was inedible pig swill and bored of pool & endless games of cards, with the smell of your own shit and your cell mate's urine to decorate the surroundings, that's when a person is forced to be honest with themselves....<br />I suspect that many of us that are contemptuous of the notion that having your freedom taken from you is real punishment may be so because we've never had it taken away from us and forced into prison regulations. I for one would not want to be anywhere near one and I strive very hard to instill in my children a healthy fear of the place. No, make that a healthy terror !grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-69764668231687971752015-08-06T14:42:07.626-04:002015-08-06T14:42:07.626-04:00Robert Hendrickson said...
"A few months ag...Robert Hendrickson said...<br /><br /><br />"A few months ago I had a discussion with an older black man about the "Cops killing Blacks epidemic" and he said. My daddy always told me "Adversity will make you STRONGER.""<br /><br /><br />I've watched, seen and read about too many people collapsing under the weight of adversity to take that absolutely.<br />But I personally agree with it. I'd go one stage further and add that after the initial response, one should be actively working out how to use the adversity for one's benefit. Hassle is like a set of good weights for the soul.<br /><br />Robert Hendrickson said...<br /><br />"The first night I filmed the Manson Family in the Gypsy wagon, at one point, they went into this lengthy discussion about how "society" gave the word "selfish" a dirty, nasty meaning - when all it should mean is that you care about yourself"<br /><br /><br />'Selfish' has the connotations it does because it means <i>only</i> thinking of yourself and gearing every action towards you. But the concept of loving and caring about yourself isn't negative at all. When Christ made the point that the most important command from God was to love God with everything you've got and that the second most important one was like it, to love everyone else like you love yourself, he was saying something pretty deep ~ real loving begins with loving yourself. If you love yourself and by extension care about yourself, you should treat others the right way because you'll treat them like you.<br /><br /><br />Robert Hendrickson said...<br /><br />"Because it is very hard to learn anything NEW from those we already AGREE with - but adversaries, by inherent nature, have something NEW to say WE are NOT already aware of"<br /><br /><br />I find that it depends on the depth of that one that you already agree with. For me that statement runs both ways with those I already agree with <i>and</i> those that I don't. I think that's partly because as varied as different people and our experiences and thoughts throughout history have been, there's still a common thread that connects people.<br /><br />Robert Hendrickson said...<br /><br />"In fact - that HE would THINK the Beatles were speaking to HIM actually makes sense"<br /><br /><br />I've long felt that for all the 60s reading stuff into everything rock stars said in their songs, that it made perfect sense. It still does to me. And the writers themselves weren't writing for the sake of spinning words. Many of them were writing for their constituency and quite deliberately so. It was actually only because a number of them were called out for influencing the actions of younger people that many of them came out and said "no, no, we didn't mean this or that !"<br />But they were talking to people all over the world because in interviews alone, <i>they realized that people were listening...</i><br /><br /><br /><br />Robert Hendrickson said...<br />"No matter how hard YOU try NOT to reveal yourself, your words always give YOU away"<br /><br /><br />Back in the 80s my mate started to say "speech is self revealing." I've long used that one, I always liked it. I agreed with him !<br />Some of the time.<br /><br />grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-66921277512050289932015-08-06T05:06:06.996-04:002015-08-06T05:06:06.996-04:00Also, I seem to remember that RP and Sharon assume...Also, I seem to remember that RP and Sharon assumed Melcher's (with Mark Lindsey still on there?) lease and were negotiating with Altobelli to get an extension and/or a re-write. That may be wrong, otherwise Melcher would have been named in RA's lawsuit.Shorty's pistolshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09606672298731718462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-40239558595909379652015-08-05T22:41:37.899-04:002015-08-05T22:41:37.899-04:00You can't inherit debt. But the estate must s...You can't inherit debt. But the estate must settle all debts prior to paying out any proceeds. So RA sued everyone in sight to get a judgment that could be levied at Sharon's estate. He got a little $, but suing for a quarter mil? C'mon man! <br /><br />Yer right, a shrewder move would have been to get judgments against all the murderers, but Rudy let Voy's kin get that one.Shorty's pistolshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09606672298731718462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-78038590121556318932015-08-05T09:55:33.703-04:002015-08-05T09:55:33.703-04:00That's very interesting Mr. Pistols: WHY did R...That's very interesting Mr. Pistols: WHY did RUDY even sue the TATE family ?<br /><br />Thay had NO liability. Sharon was over 18 years old.<br /><br />ONLY Roman Polanski (lessee) and The Manson Family defendants that actually DID the massacre had any legal liability for damages to the "house."<br /><br />Don't hesitate to chime in Matt - cause you would think RUDY, at least, had the brains to go after the Manson killers for any $$$ that might come later.<br /><br />The REAL question here might be: WHO was the actual lessee of the TATE house ?<br /><br />Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-86714208366511719102015-08-04T23:52:52.067-04:002015-08-04T23:52:52.067-04:00thanks RHthanks RHMr. Humphrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02574243483977353223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-84771440390924185182015-08-04T13:08:46.180-04:002015-08-04T13:08:46.180-04:00YES, the Gypsy wagon is where we filmed much that ...YES, the Gypsy wagon is where we filmed much that night and in Manson Gang you can see the exterior with Jaun and Johnny peeking out the window.<br /> <br />I'm sure Manson taught his Family info from other scources - that's what WE as humans do.<br /> <br />BUT C. Manson also learned how to "pick" the brains of others very effectively. In fact - that HE would THINK the Beatles were speaking to HIM actually makes sense. "Everyone" was speaking to HIM.<br /> <br />Of course, that also explains how HE was able to "read" people within about a doezen spoken words.<br /> <br />No matter how hard YOU try NOT to reveal yourself, your words always give YOU away.<br /> <br />It's kind'a like the drunk trying to act sober - the more HE trys - the more HE appears DRUNK.<br /> <br />Personnaly, I heard ALL of the possible "motives" within about a month of filming, BUT to me they were insignificant - it was the way the Family THOUGHT that intriqued ME - even to this day.<br /><br />Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-27340230068109550902015-08-04T12:00:40.111-04:002015-08-04T12:00:40.111-04:00@Robert Hendrickson,
Mr H,
18th century Scottish...@Robert Hendrickson,<br /><br />Mr H,<br /><br />18th century Scottish economist, Adam Smith, beat the Family to it with his self help ideas in 'The Wealth of Nations'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-21503930708835807682015-08-04T10:18:06.994-04:002015-08-04T10:18:06.994-04:00RH what was the Gypsy wagon? Was that where they ...RH what was the Gypsy wagon? Was that where they were eating and playing guitar/singing with little Paul? A big vehicle?Mr. Humphrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02574243483977353223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-871747856445203852015-08-04T10:15:52.535-04:002015-08-04T10:15:52.535-04:00good one Ziggygood one ZiggyMr. Humphrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02574243483977353223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-60123894804221984942015-08-04T09:36:05.128-04:002015-08-04T09:36:05.128-04:00CLUE: "I don't mind the CELL, my best f...CLUE: "I don't mind the CELL, my best friend is in there...ME !"<br /> Charles Manson<br /><br />AND if you were to write an entire BOOK about the MANSON mystique - most of it would ONLY be "filler" compared to that quote.<br /><br />A few months ago I had a discussion with an older black man about the "Cops killing Blacks epidemic" and he said. My daddy always told me "Adversity will make you STRONGER."<br /><br />The first night I filmed the Manson Family in the Gypsy wagon, at one point, they went into this lengthy discussion about how "society" gave the word "selfish" a dirty, nasty meaning - when all it should mean is that you care about yourself. With that talk, I realized I was on to something important.<br /><br />BUT Charles Manson is OUR adversary, so how can WE learn anything from HIM -an adversary ? <br /><br />Because it is very hard to learn anything NEW from those we already AGREE with - but adversaries, by inherent nature, have something NEW to say WE are NOT already aware of.<br /><br />Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-37908851191048311782015-08-04T06:01:14.911-04:002015-08-04T06:01:14.911-04:00"I don't mind the cell, my best friend is..."I don't mind the cell, my best friend is in there...me." <br />CMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-22840047331923168852015-08-04T05:58:34.462-04:002015-08-04T05:58:34.462-04:00Krenwinkel looks like the dad from the TV show &qu...<br />Krenwinkel looks like the dad from the TV show "Little People, Big World".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-23401475462947266372015-08-03T21:58:35.093-04:002015-08-03T21:58:35.093-04:00When one of those huge bios was on the blog a whil...When one of those huge bios was on the blog a while back a few people were talking about how gross they thought it was that one of those prisons I think Pat was in had a pool for prisoners to do laps & acquarobics in. I dunno, to me that didn't seem like a luxury, more a sign of how prisons were more humane institutions in the 70s & early 80s before privatisation & the War on Drugs sapped out funds and spiked up inmate populations. People often bitch over here about prisoners being able to 'earn' Foxtel (cable) and even XBoxes for the TVs they can get in their cells (also 'earnt', I think). I do have a problem with that, though. Pools can be public facilities which are cheap (or in some places free), you can mesh that concept with a prison especially as they have a therapeutic/rehab aspect to them. XBoxes & Foxtel are a total luxury which many non-crime-comittin', wage-earnin', non-prison-livin' people can't afford, that DOES grind my gears. If I found out Tex not only shaved his mustache, but also got an Xbox so he could play GTA (although getting a PC so he could play 'Captain Bible in the Dome of Darkness' is more likely, I guess) I'd be bustin' out the angry emails again.<br /><br />/end of the non-Manson-related rant, carry onGuida Diehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06881861444442344243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-4447232519489465422015-08-03T21:51:43.112-04:002015-08-03T21:51:43.112-04:00Suze's account was really interesting. I'v...Suze's account was really interesting. I've never been to prison & so alla my knowledge comes from book learnin', but I've often suspected what she found out to be true and that that (boredom) is the reason why so many prisoners either get heavily into weights & exercise, or start taking up reading or educational classes. Something to DO. Oswald Mosley when he was interned during the war used the opportunity to read the entire works of Gauthe and Nietzsche, for instance, and we've seen plenty of other examples here with people like (I think) Pat getting involved in electronics courses. What really surprises me is that Charlie hasn't got more buff since he got inside, I guess he's found other ways to pass the time...Guida Diehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06881861444442344243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-20743367445801567692015-08-03T21:41:56.725-04:002015-08-03T21:41:56.725-04:00I agree Tex looks like Ron Perlman somewhat.
Suze ...I agree Tex looks like Ron Perlman somewhat.<br />Suze thanks for reminding us that jail is not fun.<br />I think jail should primarily protect the public,<br />and I wish, to the extent possible, that inmates<br />were given the opportunity for a meaningful<br />existence.Mr. Humphrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02574243483977353223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-21739233668175837162015-08-03T13:50:12.892-04:002015-08-03T13:50:12.892-04:00I don't have any Pro-Manson Family point of vi...I don't have any Pro-Manson Family point of views. I don't even believe in the term. I don't even think in that dualist way of "pro" and "con". Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-23790225376887778682015-08-03T13:28:08.246-04:002015-08-03T13:28:08.246-04:00People say Manson's face changes a lot. Leslie...People say Manson's face changes a lot. Leslie seems to be the one.rshephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17066098347763316077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-66625520695423157162015-08-03T13:25:27.830-04:002015-08-03T13:25:27.830-04:00This shouldn't even be a conversation. Their c...This shouldn't even be a conversation. Their current pics should be of the fillings sifted from their ashes. Boots, you're cracking me up!!! Literally laughed out loud...AstroCreephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14400828131305289484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-27701981013473436662015-08-03T13:14:30.273-04:002015-08-03T13:14:30.273-04:00You know what, D. LaCalandra, I am very familiar w...You know what, D. LaCalandra, I am very familiar with your pro-Manson Family point of views. I respect them. Please respect mine. AustinAnn74https://www.blogger.com/profile/06342503212454947554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-45154990951254939232015-08-03T13:01:37.346-04:002015-08-03T13:01:37.346-04:00Pat looks so sad. Leslie, I am wondering if she h...Pat looks so sad. Leslie, I am wondering if she had some sort of stroke (her eye).Donnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03934861084600080259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-56309115087654432712015-08-03T13:00:27.138-04:002015-08-03T13:00:27.138-04:00Cielo, that was hysterical. Ron Perlman. I appreci...Cielo, that was hysterical. Ron Perlman. I appreciate the laugh!<br /><br /><br />Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.com