wonderful photo, Mary looks fantastic. Liz, would it be impolite to ask Racestarr if the X is still visable on Mary's forehead. And would you be betraying trust if you gave us the state where that photo was taken? Sure looks like Wisconsin.
that's interesting Patty. Mary does seem into the muted pastels. You have to wonder if she, despite the photos of her on these group outings, is a social introvert and recluse. I don't see the groups she is with in these photos as church groups but I could be wrong. Looks more like the old photos are social activist groups and this recent one is just a hiking club or sorts. Sure would be nice to have a bit of insight into Mary's day to day.
I'm sure that Mary resents us being at all interested in her. And yes, she does deserve her privacy and safety just as any citizen does. But she also willingly made herself infamous by participating in the Hinmann murder and the Hawthorne shooting. Once you put yourself on the 'notorious stage' you just can't walk off. It just doesn't work that way.
Leary, it might be her walking group. It's too bad she won't talk, seeing that she was Mansons first chick and bore him a son. She was there for pretty long time too. But she did her time And just wants to move on with her life which is understandable
but that is the question, Lauren. Can someone just click their heels together and NOT be notorious anymore. The girls weren't stupid. When they spent those months on the sidewalk outside the courthouse defending and extohling Manson they HAD TO KNOW it would stamp them for a lifetime. The bald heads, the X's, it was their choice. As I said, she deserves her privacy and safety as much as the next person, but you cannot "un-notorious" yourself. Reality is simply that Mary will always have an unnatural level of interest in her and her life.
That would be an interesting social experiment... Mary attends a party. There are forty folk there. But only five know who Mary is at the start of the party. How many know at the end of the party?
That's true. I wonder how she and the other girls who are no longer dedicated feel when Charlie's name is mentioned in the media or when a person who doesn't know their past talks about Charlie or Roman or Sharon.
I just saw Globe magazine in the checkout line has an article about when Manson was set on fire in 1984. Also, they say Doris Day is dying and mention her grandson, whose last name is Melcher. I almost bought it but was afraid my husband would make fun of me.
Is there some rule, other than Patty's delicate flower ears, that prevents people from speaking the truth?
Public Records show that Mary bought her own home in the early 2000s in Wisconsin.
I mean what is the concept of stealing a photo and then saying "I don't want to say too much?" Jesus Christ this bitch SHOT AT POLICE OFFICERS. She tortured and killed HER FRIEND. She would have been at TLB except she passed stolen credit cards and was in jail. She then flipped on her friends and tried to flip back.
Screw this criminal and the jackass she rode in on!
I mean what is the concept of stealing a photo and then saying "I don't want to say too much?" Jesus Christ this bitch SHOT AT POLICE OFFICERS. She tortured and killed HER FRIEND. She would have been at TLB except she passed stolen credit cards and was in jail. She then flipped on her friends and tried to flip back.
Yes, she did all of that and much more. We don't say too much about their present whereabouts like addresses, etc. because that would violate Bloggers TERMS OF USE. Period.
I never understand the "she looks good" comments either. These women all look exactly like you'd expect women their age to look. Surprise - an early life poorly lived didn't morph them into deformed old crows in their waning years. Grandma Moses here looks like a healthy, contented, aged version of her younger self. So uh...well done, I guess?
Having evaded decades of parole hearings, institutional self-help workshops and whatnot I wonder if she ever reflects upon her old friend Gary. Talk about getting off the hook. I guess when that happens you have two options - deteriorate with guilt until the end of your days or find some new friends, go on some hikes, bake some cookies and carry on.
leary7 said... wonderful photo, Mary looks fantastic. Liz, would it be impolite to ask Racestarr if the X is still visable on Mary's forehead. And would you be betraying trust if you gave us the state where that photo was taken? Sure looks like Wisconsin.
I can ask RaceStarr. And Mary is not in Wisconsin. That's truely all I know.
thanks mucho Liz. that does surprise me that she is not in Wisconsin. anyways, by 'looks fantastic' I simply meant compared to previous photos she looks healthy and relaxed in this one. I know Mary is no 10, and I am sure she does too. I just always think happy looking people look fantastic.
And I agree that if we look at Mary through the lens of her Spahn and Hawthorne life she ranks right up there with the TLB killers and Brenda and such. But she appears to have done a 180 in prison and worked real hard to rebuild a midwestern life. NO question she lucked out big time and should have been held accountable for more than she was. Like Grogan she seemed to have a rabbits foot.
I think about the video of her walking out of the hall of justice when she was asked do you regret anything in your life and she said You must be kidding.She knows most of what the family did.I bet many of them wonder if one of them will come forward with the truth.
"I think about the video of her walking out of the hall of justice when she was asked do you regret anything in your life and she said You must be kidding" Right. That's becuase she a horrible, awful evil barely human being. I don't care how long she's worked to rebuild her midwestern life (whatever the fuck that means as I'm a midwesterner too) or how many 180's she did in prison she's still got blood on her hands.
But not to sound too grumpy, I *am* happy we finally have some new Family pix up here!
Col, Patty feels like a dork now that you are talking about her flower ears. Cussing is okay, just please treat fellow posters with some modicum of respect. Thank you. Thankyouverymuch. ;)
An interesting part of that interview that Marlene mentioned was when the reporter asked if she cared that she might not see her son again, her tone changed from carefree to hurt. You can tell that that struck a chord in her.
Candy, when was it that Red said she and sandy went to Wisconsin to try to talk to Mary? I'm sure Mary shut them down, as she was with/or near her parents in the late 90s, and as in prison she stated she hated Charlie.
To hell with Mary she's a rat fink bitch who had just as much to do with hinman as Bobby I say set Bobby free and lock up Mary besides Bobby has contributed more to society locked up than Mary will ever accomplish being free immunity doesn't mean your not guilty
Yayy awesome find! She looks good, she colored her hair! Of everyone there, she probably knows the most about the desert/hiking.
ReplyDeleteShe sure does love that yellow orange color!
ReplyDeleteI would LOVE to have a conversation with her! Can you imagine running into her somewhere?
ReplyDeletewonderful photo, Mary looks fantastic. Liz, would it be impolite to ask Racestarr if the X is still visable on Mary's forehead. And would you be betraying trust if you gave us the state where that photo was taken? Sure looks like Wisconsin.
ReplyDeletethat's interesting Patty. Mary does seem into the muted pastels. You have to wonder if she, despite the photos of her on these group outings, is a social introvert and recluse. I don't see the groups she is with in these photos as church groups but I could be wrong. Looks more like the old photos are social activist groups and this recent one is just a hiking club or sorts. Sure would be nice to have a bit of insight into Mary's day to day.
ReplyDeleteI'm sure that Mary resents us being at all interested in her. And yes, she does deserve her privacy and safety just as any citizen does. But she also willingly made herself infamous by participating in the Hinmann murder and the Hawthorne shooting. Once you put yourself on the 'notorious stage' you just can't walk off. It just doesn't work that way.
ReplyDeleteLeary, it might be her walking group. It's too bad she won't talk, seeing that she was Mansons first chick and bore him a son. She was there for pretty long time too. But she did her time And just wants to move on with her life which is understandable
ReplyDeleteSorry for the crappy grammar, I'm on my iPhone and using the voice command!
ReplyDeleteIt kinda looks like she is at the location that was once Spahn's Ranch. Maybe she is giving a guided tour to her friends.
ReplyDeletebut that is the question, Lauren. Can someone just click their heels together and NOT be notorious anymore.
ReplyDeleteThe girls weren't stupid. When they spent those months on the sidewalk outside the courthouse defending and extohling Manson they HAD TO KNOW it would stamp them for a lifetime. The bald heads, the X's, it was their choice.
As I said, she deserves her privacy and safety as much as the next person, but you cannot "un-notorious" yourself. Reality is simply that Mary will always have an unnatural level of interest in her and her life.
That would be an interesting social experiment...
ReplyDeleteMary attends a party. There are forty folk there. But only five know who Mary is at the start of the party.
How many know at the end of the party?
That's true. I wonder how she and the other girls who are no longer dedicated feel when Charlie's name is mentioned in the media or when a person who doesn't know their past talks about Charlie or Roman or Sharon.
ReplyDeleteAlso, anyone know how Michaels doing? Not trying to out him, just want to know if he's still living a happy, successful life.
ReplyDeleteLauren, I was wondering about her son too. Anybody know without revealing too much?
ReplyDeleteI just saw Globe magazine in the checkout line has an article about when Manson was set on fire in 1984. Also, they say Doris Day is dying and mention her grandson, whose last name is Melcher. I almost bought it but was afraid my husband would make fun of me.
ReplyDeleteIs there some rule, other than Patty's delicate flower ears, that prevents people from speaking the truth?
ReplyDeletePublic Records show that Mary bought her own home in the early 2000s in Wisconsin.
I mean what is the concept of stealing a photo and then saying "I don't want to say too much?" Jesus Christ this bitch SHOT AT POLICE OFFICERS. She tortured and killed HER FRIEND. She would have been at TLB except she passed stolen credit cards and was in jail. She then flipped on her friends and tried to flip back.
Screw this criminal and the jackass she rode in on!
And what is this looks fantastic crap? She looks like that kid from Life Goes On mated with Mrs. Potatohead
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ReplyDeleteI mean what is the concept of stealing a photo and then saying "I don't want to say too much?" Jesus Christ this bitch SHOT AT POLICE OFFICERS. She tortured and killed HER FRIEND. She would have been at TLB except she passed stolen credit cards and was in jail. She then flipped on her friends and tried to flip back.
Yes, she did all of that and much more. We don't say too much about their present whereabouts like addresses, etc. because that would violate Bloggers TERMS OF USE. Period.
I never understand the "she looks good" comments either. These women all look exactly like you'd expect women their age to look. Surprise - an early life poorly lived didn't morph them into deformed old crows in their waning years. Grandma Moses here looks like a healthy, contented, aged version of her younger self. So uh...well done, I guess?
ReplyDeleteHaving evaded decades of parole hearings, institutional self-help workshops and whatnot I wonder if she ever reflects upon her old friend Gary. Talk about getting off the hook. I guess when that happens you have two options - deteriorate with guilt until the end of your days or find some new friends, go on some hikes, bake some cookies and carry on.
As I said shame she won't talk. But she knows her buddies would run for the hills if they knew of her criminal past.
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ReplyDeletewonderful photo, Mary looks fantastic. Liz, would it be impolite to ask Racestarr if the X is still visable on Mary's forehead. And would you be betraying trust if you gave us the state where that photo was taken? Sure looks like Wisconsin.
I can ask RaceStarr. And Mary is not in Wisconsin. That's truely all I know.
thanks mucho Liz. that does surprise me that she is not in Wisconsin.
ReplyDeleteanyways, by 'looks fantastic' I simply meant compared to previous photos she looks healthy and relaxed in this one. I know Mary is no 10, and I am sure she does too. I just always think happy looking people look fantastic.
And I agree that if we look at Mary through the lens of her Spahn and Hawthorne life she ranks right up there with the TLB killers and Brenda and such. But she appears to have done a 180 in prison and worked real hard to rebuild a midwestern life. NO question she lucked out big time and should have been held accountable for more than she was. Like Grogan she seemed to have a rabbits foot.
Ok, I don't watch TV so I didn't know what Live Goes On is. I looked it up. I laughed my ass off and now I hate myself for doing so...
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ReplyDeleteI think about the video of her walking out of the hall of justice when she was asked do you regret anything in your life and she said You must be kidding.She knows most of what the family did.I bet many of them wonder if one of them will come forward with the truth.
ReplyDelete"I think about the video of her walking out of the hall of justice when she was asked do you regret anything in your life and she said You must be kidding"
ReplyDeleteRight. That's becuase she a horrible, awful evil barely human being. I don't care how long she's worked to rebuild her midwestern life (whatever the fuck that means as I'm a midwesterner too) or how many 180's she did in prison she's still got blood on her hands.
But not to sound too grumpy, I *am* happy we finally have some new Family pix up here!
Col, Patty feels like a dork now that you are talking about her flower ears. Cussing is okay, just please treat fellow posters with some modicum of respect. Thank you. Thankyouverymuch. ;)
ReplyDeleteAn interesting part of that interview that Marlene mentioned was when the reporter asked if she cared that she might not see her son again, her tone changed from carefree to hurt. You can tell that that struck a chord in her.
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ReplyDeleteCandy, when was it that Red said she and sandy went to Wisconsin to try to talk to Mary? I'm sure Mary shut them down, as she was with/or near her parents in the late 90s, and as in prison she stated she hated Charlie.
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ReplyDeletelauren squeaky went to wisconsin in 1970 or 1971 to talk mary into coming back to the Family which she did.
ReplyDeleteTo hell with Mary she's a rat fink bitch who had just as much to do with hinman as Bobby I say set Bobby free and lock up Mary besides Bobby has contributed more to society locked up than Mary will ever accomplish being free immunity doesn't mean your not guilty
ReplyDeletePat Sajak, I'd like to buy a comma and a period.
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ReplyDeleteComma,,,???...... And a f ing period use your imagination!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteCappy was always so fuckin' cool!!!
ReplyDeleteWhy Mary give birth? Why not abortion?
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