I would vote thumbs down on virtually EVERY claim by Hollywood film & music industry people who claimed, in the days, weeks, months, years, and decades following the "Tate Murders", that they'd been invited to the alleged house party on August 8th. The same goes for most claims of "hanging out with Sharon" prior to the murders.
Ooh! Let's compile a list of everyone who claimed to have been invited to Cielo that night! With links to sources, please. Where is Starviego, this is a perfect prompt for him.
Jacqueline Susann and Rex Reed, from "Lovely Me: The Life of Jacqueline Susann", copyright 1987,by Barbara Seaman, p. 313, hardcover Book Club edition.
I WAS there. I dropped Billy off with his TV dinner and sold him some weed. I tried to sell him some headphones but he said he liked to hear the soft ambient sounds around him while listening to music.
As I was leaving I passed Elvis, Bette Davis, Buzz Aldrin and Mister Ed the Talking Horse at the gate. I knew it was going to be a hell of a party that night.
I can't remember but was it ever wondered out loud if Jane Fonda was ANOTHER who might have been invited to Cielo that night? I do remember that she was at one time considered for Mia Farrow's role in "Rosemary's Baby" and that her and Sharon met/interacted so I wondered if in that halcyon era where people would just drop in and hang whether Jane was one of the many people who gave it a swerve.
I'm friends with an ex of Scott Michaels here in London (no, it isnt Graham, he's a "civilian") and every time someone mentions "Six Degrees Of Helter Skelter" I can't help but immediately think I'm "Two Degrees From Scott Michaels".
Mr. Paul, You seem to know your way around the Spanish language media. Have you ever heard of a cheap fanzine published in Barcelona, Spain during that time called "Estrellas de Telenovela y Cine" or something like that? It may have been part of the Axel Springer publishing conglomerate. The reason I asked is that I once came across a reference to this as being the very first media source that linked Charles Manson to the murder of Sharon Tate.
Hello Starviego. Sorry but I've never heard of that magazine. I think the first media to link Manson and Sharon was Los Angeles Times on December 1969 after the police announcement. Also Los Angeles Times published coincidentally months before the police discovered that Manson was linked to the murderd, on August 17, 1969, the raid on Spahn ranch and the Tate and LaBianca murders on the same page: https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/39401703_2143253955687114_9082976677004312576_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=in0hn7SxpesQ7kNvwGP20eo&_nc_oc=Adm91MVOZadZRUvH1upPIM8Il3GhiCaRtK7PVlPvCw24Tis6nRmIz7GInjWgmotL-n4&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent-mad1-1.xx&_nc_gid=zg9IwZKOqCHUeQogPcUqdA&oh=00_AfrXqTFSVSnFiSukmMoWBHxuN-9nCZVN9WRcm9hne791VQ&oe=699BE3E6
Okay here's a funny twist: According to this blurb this actor learned of the murders ON THE WAY to the party: Amid obituations and tributes to the late acting great Louis Gossett Jr. this week, there was this eerie piece of trivia: In his autobiography, An Actor And A Gentlemen, Gossett said he was on his way to a party at Sharon Tate's Benedict Canyon home back in August 1969 when he learned she and several of her friends had been murdered by the Manson Family.
Milly I can't find the actual quote from the book as I'm only seeing a limited preview online. I was quoting from a short article about him and I think the person writing the article must have limited knowledge of the murders because nobody knew about the killings until the next day. If I can find the text I'll let you know. As far as celebrities saying they were invited there that night who knows if some of them were lying or misremembering later.
@humphrat....I can virtually guarantee you that 99% of these people were lying. Everybody in the industry wanted to jump on this bandwagon and have the general public believe they "dodged a bullet".
Sergio Leone and screenwriter Luciano Vincenzoni but Vincenzoni who would have been Leone's interpreter at the party accepted an invitation from a producer to spend the weekend in San Francisco (from Western All Italiana Blogspot)
San Francisco Examiner Monday, August 11, 1969 “There was a party at the house the night of the killings,” Tarlow said. [Barry Tarlow was Garretson's lawyer]
Where did Tarlow get this? The implication is that Garretson told him that, and Garretson would have been in a position to know.
Garretson was mistaken. If there had been a party that evening, many more than five people would have been found dead the following morning (including several celebrities besides Sharon and Abigail). End of story.
If there had been a party with anything like a significant number of people (say double figures) Watson & co would’ve either (a) called it off and slunk away or (b) been overpowered/overwhelmed by the shear numbers. Whether they might’ve carried on and tried to kill regardless is debatable but they wouldn’t have been driving off into the night giggling about it that’s for sure. I often do wonder if they did in fact have some kind of intel as to how many would be at Cielo that night. Watson at least would want to know it was a number that he could suppress. I mean imagine had they walked into a party with dozens there - what then??
Some years ago I found this story:
ReplyDeletehttps://sensationalsharontate.blogspot.com/2009/07/sharons-friend-actress-ingrid-pitt.html?m=1
Actress Ingrid Pitt claimed to have spent some days on Cielo Drive with Sharon, but her story has some inconsistencies. Do you believe it?
I would vote thumbs down on virtually EVERY claim by Hollywood film & music industry people who claimed, in the days, weeks, months, years, and decades following the "Tate Murders", that they'd been invited to the alleged house party on August 8th. The same goes for most claims of "hanging out with Sharon" prior to the murders.
ReplyDeleteOoh! Let's compile a list of everyone who claimed to have been invited to Cielo that night! With links to sources, please. Where is Starviego, this is a perfect prompt for him.
ReplyDeleteJacqueline Susann and Rex Reed, from "Lovely Me: The Life of Jacqueline Susann", copyright 1987,by Barbara Seaman, p. 313, hardcover Book Club edition.
Delete@medium patty....No, FFS please don't encourage him!
ReplyDeleteI cannot let my fan base down:
ReplyDelete--Actess Jozy Pollock (couldn't find Sharon's phone number to tell her she was coming over)
--James Bond actor George Lazenby (their ride didn't pick them up)
--Actress Jill St. John (their ride didn't pick them up)
--Singer Lynn Carey
--Pop star Rick James (had a hangover)
--Celebrity photographer Terry O’Neill (had jetlag)
--Model Ava Roosevelt (car trouble)
--Witold Kaczankowski (Witold K.)
--Professor Stanislav Wohl
--Publicist Steve Brandt (turned down invitation)
--Cass Elliot from the group The Mamas and Papas(turned down invitation)
--Film Critic Rex Reed (he was too tired)
--Author Jacqueline Susann (Rex was too tired)
--Author Jerzy Kosinski (missed luggage delayed him)
--John Phillips from the group The Mamas and Papas
--Denny Doherty from the group The Mamas and Papas
--Steve McQueen (got a better offer)
--Music producer Quincy Jones (too tired)
--Actor Robert Lipton (figured Sharon would be too tired)
--Playboy playmate Connie Kreski (figured Sharon would be too tired)
--Director Michael Sarne
--Hollywood producer Bob Evans (stuck working late)
--Actor Robert Vaughn (declined invitation)
--Carrie White, Beverly Hills hair stylist to-the-stars (was told Sharon wasn't feeling well)
--Playboy centerfold Victoria Vetri (she wasn't feeling well)
--Canadian actor Iain Quarrier (got into town too late)
--British film producer Michael Pearson (got into town too late)
--Sandy Tennant (had to pick up husband publicist Bill from the airport)
--Director Mike Sarne + wife Tanya
--Suzan Peterson, Jay's girlfriend
--Van Dyke Parks
--Ron Randell, co-owner of Arthur Discotheque in San Francisco (he couldn't go for business reasons)
--Actor Allen Young
--Screenwriter Marshall Brickman
--Actress Valerie Perrine
(she couldn't get anybody to take her shift at work)
--TV actress Melody Patterson (ouldn't accept because Frank Sinatra was throwing a party and was expecting her)
--Go Go Dancer Robbin Popper, 19 (claims she was hitchhiking to Cielo Dr when the future Father Yod picked her up and diverted her to yoga class)
Any more?
Bruce Lee (https://www.20minutos.es/cinemania/noticias/por-que-se-sospecho-de-bruce-lee-en-el-asesinato-de-sharon-tate-112347)
DeleteGeorge Lazenby told me personally he was invited to the imaginary event
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ReplyDeleteI WAS there. I dropped Billy off with his TV dinner and sold him some weed. I tried to sell him some headphones but he said he liked to hear the soft ambient sounds around him while listening to music.
ReplyDeleteAs I was leaving I passed Elvis, Bette Davis, Buzz Aldrin and Mister Ed the Talking Horse at the gate. I knew it was going to be a hell of a party that night.
starviego typed:
ReplyDeleteAny more?
-Mary Brunner (was probably going to be picked to drive the Johnny Swartz Deathmobile to Cielo, but was tossed in jail hours earlier for shoplifting)
@gorodish......where did you read or hear or see that brunner claimed she'd visited Cielo Drive prior to the TLB murders?
ReplyDeleteI can't remember but was it ever wondered out loud if Jane Fonda was ANOTHER who might have been invited to Cielo that night? I do remember that she was at one time considered for Mia Farrow's role in "Rosemary's Baby" and that her and Sharon met/interacted so I wondered if in that halcyon era where people would just drop in and hang whether Jane was one of the many people who gave it a swerve.
ReplyDeleteI'm friends with an ex of Scott Michaels here in London (no, it isnt Graham, he's a "civilian") and every time someone mentions "Six Degrees Of Helter Skelter" I can't help but immediately think I'm "Two Degrees From Scott Michaels".
ReplyDeleteSorry, no ensuing dirt. They parted amicably and my friend has no tea to spill, I hasten to add.
DeleteMr. Paul,
ReplyDeleteYou seem to know your way around the Spanish language media. Have you ever heard of a cheap fanzine published in Barcelona, Spain during that time called "Estrellas de Telenovela y Cine" or something like that? It may have been part of the Axel Springer publishing conglomerate. The reason I asked is that I once came across a reference to this as being the very first media source that linked Charles Manson to the murder of Sharon Tate.
Hello Starviego. Sorry but I've never heard of that magazine. I think the first media to link Manson and Sharon was Los Angeles Times on December 1969 after the police announcement. Also Los Angeles Times published coincidentally months before the police discovered that Manson was linked to the murderd, on August 17, 1969, the raid on Spahn ranch and the Tate and LaBianca murders on the same page: https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/39401703_2143253955687114_9082976677004312576_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=in0hn7SxpesQ7kNvwGP20eo&_nc_oc=Adm91MVOZadZRUvH1upPIM8Il3GhiCaRtK7PVlPvCw24Tis6nRmIz7GInjWgmotL-n4&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent-mad1-1.xx&_nc_gid=zg9IwZKOqCHUeQogPcUqdA&oh=00_AfrXqTFSVSnFiSukmMoWBHxuN-9nCZVN9WRcm9hne791VQ&oe=699BE3E6
DeleteOkay here's a funny twist: According to this blurb this actor learned of the murders ON THE WAY to the party:
ReplyDeleteAmid obituations and tributes to the late acting great Louis Gossett Jr. this week, there was this eerie piece of trivia: In his autobiography, An Actor And A Gentlemen, Gossett said he was on his way to a party at Sharon Tate's Benedict Canyon home back in August 1969 when he learned she and several of her friends had been murdered by the Manson Family.
Sounds a bit iffy. Who would have had that info and how would they have conveyed it? Does Mr Gossett expand at all?
DeleteMilly I can't find the actual quote from the book as I'm only seeing a limited preview online. I was quoting from a short article about him and I think the person writing the article must have limited knowledge of the murders because nobody knew about the killings until the next day. If I can find the text I'll let you know. As far as celebrities saying they were invited there that night who knows if some of them were lying or misremembering later.
ReplyDelete@humphrat....I can virtually guarantee you that 99% of these people were lying. Everybody in the industry wanted to jump on this bandwagon and have the general public believe they "dodged a bullet".
ReplyDeleteSergio Leone and screenwriter Luciano Vincenzoni but Vincenzoni who would have been Leone's interpreter at the party accepted an invitation from a producer to spend the weekend in San Francisco (from Western All Italiana Blogspot)
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ReplyDeleteSan Francisco Examiner Monday, August 11, 1969
“There was a party at the house the night of the killings,” Tarlow said.
[Barry Tarlow was Garretson's lawyer]
Where did Tarlow get this? The implication is that Garretson told him that, and Garretson would have been in a position to know.
Garretson was mistaken. If there had been a party that evening, many more than five people would have been found dead the following morning (including several celebrities besides Sharon and Abigail). End of story.
ReplyDeleteIf there had been a party with anything like a significant number of people (say double figures) Watson & co would’ve either (a) called it off and slunk away or (b) been overpowered/overwhelmed by the shear numbers. Whether they might’ve carried on and tried to kill regardless is debatable but they wouldn’t have been driving off into the night giggling about it that’s for sure. I often do wonder if they did in fact have some kind of intel as to how many would be at Cielo that night. Watson at least would want to know it was a number that he could suppress. I mean imagine had they walked into a party with dozens there - what then??
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