tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post1204259239924717894..comments2024-03-27T21:24:06.590-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Strange RV Tours: Fountain of the World Church and Skull RockMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-82598745633261187012021-01-01T02:34:24.738-05:002021-01-01T02:34:24.738-05:00I knew Gleitsman when we were both children and sh...I knew Gleitsman when we were both children and she was very odd then. She really went off the deep ends it seems. She is a killer no doubt about that. She should have gotten life. Probably someone in the D.A. office got paid to let this inhumane obtain immunity. Murderer she is!!Justice Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08715283909165975153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-73107773628701381832020-05-11T04:45:37.803-04:002020-05-11T04:45:37.803-04:00That actually makes sense...That actually makes sense...Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17388908256992077315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-54563744087280604762020-05-10T23:46:30.756-04:002020-05-10T23:46:30.756-04:00Bill Vance was in that movie.....knowing him, he p...Bill Vance was in that movie.....knowing him, he probably stole Townsend's identity for the credits haha.Gorodishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16554015159612108936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-45086072670581664172020-05-10T23:23:48.354-04:002020-05-10T23:23:48.354-04:00I thought that testimony of an accomplice was inad...I thought that testimony of an accomplice was inadmissible without corroboration. I found my answer late in the paper. Seemed Like weak corroboration to me butt we do live in the forensic files age now and expect some dna . Gleitman started the violence! All those stab wounds, sounds like overkill to me. Passion fueled, jealousy fueled....<br /><br />"It is not necessary that the testimony of an accomplice be corroborated as to every fact to which he testified. Rather, it is sufficient that the corroborative evidence tends to connect the defendant with the commission of the offense in such a way as reasonably may satisfy a jury that the accomplice is telling the truth. Such evidence need not be sufficient in and of itself to establish every element of the offense charged; it may be slight and entitled to little consideration when standing alone. (People v. Hathcock, 8 Cal.3d 599, 617, 105 Cal.Rptr. 540, 504 P.2d 476; People v. Perry, 7 Cal.3d 756, 769, 103 Cal.Rptr. 161, 499 P.2d 129.)<br /><br />Though the evidence placing both defendants at the scene of the crime was not in and of itself sufficient corroboration (People v. Robinson, 61 Cal.2d 373, 398—400, 38 Cal.Rptr. 890, 392 P.2d 970), such evidence was sufficient in combination with the evidence showing that defendants had in their immediate possession weapons corresponding to those used in the murders."Dan Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17058602981660065969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-30575459905988401092020-05-10T02:44:38.648-04:002020-05-10T02:44:38.648-04:00This just gets weirder all the time...
Herbert To...This just gets weirder all the time...<br /><br />Herbert Townsend was a credited actor in LINDA AND ABELEINE<br /><br /><br />https://m.imdb.com/name/nm1133374/?ref_=m_ttfcd_cl6Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17388908256992077315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-34506196095830172032020-05-01T21:06:34.215-04:002020-05-01T21:06:34.215-04:00No matter Bruce's crimes or people's opini...No matter Bruce's crimes or people's opinion of him it's pretty fkd up that someone in his 70's was assaulted so bad he had to be moved to another facility<br />Not sure if Matt was going to mention it or not but some sicko is selling a photo of Charlie under glass with single strands of his hair on Etsy for $40<br />If this can be authenticated one would have to imagine Jason Freeman is the sourceAjerseydevilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02307773867621679673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-23589088908455494942020-05-01T16:13:38.542-04:002020-05-01T16:13:38.542-04:00This is an appeal filed by Medina and Townsend, it...This is an appeal filed by Medina and Townsend, it gives a really detailed account of the murders and the suspects. The Fountain of the World played a larger part than what the newspaper accounts would have you believe.<br /><br />https://caselaw.findlaw.com/ca-court-of-appeal/1828511.htmlDebShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093893870315262396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-64161694306562083582020-05-01T10:08:42.684-04:002020-05-01T10:08:42.684-04:00I have always thought the the fact that the 3 in t...I have always thought the the fact that the 3 in that case got off was terrible. It was Vaughn that raped the 2 girls first, I believe, if you don't count head as rape. And it was the 2 girls, Lisa and Virginia that initiated the violence. They all 5 were equally guilty in my opinion.Matthew https://www.blogger.com/profile/17147415819068597641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-40714925800854170912020-05-01T04:02:35.529-04:002020-05-01T04:02:35.529-04:00Totally!Totally!Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17388908256992077315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-48308750159492688742020-05-01T00:15:18.697-04:002020-05-01T00:15:18.697-04:00Col, wasn't O'Neill on Rogan fantastic?! W...Col, wasn't O'Neill on Rogan fantastic?! When ya gonna go after that, honcho? Vera Dreiserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16434785258950871234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-34844859128531531852020-04-30T20:35:02.835-04:002020-04-30T20:35:02.835-04:00Gleitsman is now married and still alive
Fuck her...Gleitsman is now married and still alive<br /><br />Fuck herColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-48257191872098437802020-04-30T17:47:00.220-04:002020-04-30T17:47:00.220-04:00Hello, I misspelled 'Susan' in the third l...Hello, I misspelled 'Susan' in the third line.<br />That's what I get for typing with a cigarette in one hand and a cup a tea in the other.<br />(earl Grey tea)<br />thanksFayez Abedazizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05365559516095364539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-3837933241834457592020-04-30T17:44:45.077-04:002020-04-30T17:44:45.077-04:00GreenWhite,
If you're referring to my words-th...GreenWhite,<br />If you're referring to my words-the 'Singing Barkers' in an above comment of mine, <br />thanks, cause you know, there they were at the Susanas and they were the Singing Spahnettes and The Dancing Spahnies, especially 'go go' Spinning Sadie Sudsan:<br /> such silly cuties and some were just downright sweeties and like, you know, whatever.<br />They were groovin' but then we had the petty thugs, some of Charlie's not really friends that he welcomed to the ranch, like some ex con, some of the bikers and so it was becoming sleaze city, I mean that ain't classy and it ain't kosher,<br />you what I'm saying'.<br />What the hey at least not all of the girls went with whoever Charlie said to you know, 'get down' with and all. <br />And another thing, ola la la.<br />At least there was one Sphanie cutie that was with a real, ah, Ram. Ptishsh! (Cymbals crash)<br />And it wasn't at Spahn Ranch, if you know what I'm meanin'<br />cause she looked and said ceegee then she went ahead.<br />Ram on.Fayez Abedazizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05365559516095364539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-30271399861245528282020-04-30T05:20:13.306-04:002020-04-30T05:20:13.306-04:00Deb wrote:
“ Jenn, Bruce Davis was transferred to ...Deb wrote:<br />“ Jenn, Bruce Davis was transferred to San Quentin a few months ago”<br /><br />Well I’ll be! I don’t know how I missed it! After 15 years I can finally stop waving! :-) <br />Thanks, Deb. Jennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16318651628897411177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-73084547662398601242020-04-29T18:16:19.826-04:002020-04-29T18:16:19.826-04:00The Singing Barkers is good stuff. Props. The Singing Barkers is good stuff. Props. G. Greene-Whytehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16687404262559321867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-35823112344387764762020-04-29T12:35:16.303-04:002020-04-29T12:35:16.303-04:00Gorodish wrote-
"Junior" was most likely...Gorodish wrote-<br />"Junior" was most likely Herb Townsend Jr. My co-worker knew him as Junior. There's several pictures of a guy in 1970 at Spahn and outside the courtroom (with Squeaky Ouisch et al). He's in one picture with Hugh Rocky Todd and some Appaloosa horses at Spahn, and is referred to as "Pat". I'm wondering if "Pat" is actually Junior Townsend. Would be interesting to see a picture of him.<br />----------<br /><br />I found a picture of Herbert Townsend Jr. from 1967 and have the picture of "Pat" and Rocky Todd. If you email me I can send them to you. The big difference in the two pictures is that Junior has what looks to be blond hair in 1967 but "Pat" definitely has very dark hair in the 1971 photo. However their facial features are similar.DebShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093893870315262396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-33812770662736628902020-04-29T12:29:29.917-04:002020-04-29T12:29:29.917-04:00Jenn said...
Gorodish wrote:
“ But Danny Townsend ... Jenn said...<br />Gorodish wrote:<br />“ But Danny Townsend is still incarcerated at Tex and Bruce's former digs, the Men's Colony in San Luis Obispo.”<br /><br />Davis is still there. I drive by his “house” every day going to and from work.<br />----------------<br /><br />Jenn, Bruce Davis was transferred to San Quentin a few months ago. Apparently he was being threatened by other inmates and I believe he was even beat up by one. Since it was easier to isolate Davis than to round up multiple people, Davis was put in SHU (security housing unit)for his own protection until a place could be found for him at another prison. <br /><br />You can look him up at the California Inmate Locator site.<br /><br />https://inmatelocator.cdcr.ca.gov/DebShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093893870315262396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-61660263096132354892020-04-29T10:38:23.552-04:002020-04-29T10:38:23.552-04:00I had a feeling that she was his daughter. I wonde...I had a feeling that she was his daughter. I wonder how close her father was to E. Younger? Pulling some high powered strings for his kid in order to save the family name?Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17388908256992077315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-16196364652997550582020-04-29T06:53:03.832-04:002020-04-29T06:53:03.832-04:00Pvt. Pee-Pee Pants Said-
So 2 minutes of inbreds ...Pvt. Pee-Pee Pants Said-<br /><br />So 2 minutes of inbreds using a selfie stick and then lots of footage of a junk dump site?<br />Well that is seven minutes I will never get back.<br />__________________________________________________________________________________________<br /><br />The Saggy Depends Man proving once again he's twice as obnoxious as two average Americans combined.<br />Behold, the exponential feat. <br />They are but remnants of a bullied and beaten childhood.xreleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13077683001046221078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-60553544809895026182020-04-29T05:35:32.891-04:002020-04-29T05:35:32.891-04:00Gorodish wrote:
“ But Danny Townsend is still inca...Gorodish wrote:<br />“ But Danny Townsend is still incarcerated at Tex and Bruce's former digs, the Men's Colony in San Luis Obispo.”<br /><br />Davis is still there. I drive by his “house” every day going to and from work. Jennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16318651628897411177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-64284746891595984962020-04-29T03:59:40.073-04:002020-04-29T03:59:40.073-04:00starviego typed:
If Townsend scratched an 'X&...starviego typed:<br /><br /><b>If Townsend scratched an 'X' into his head, he was a lot more than a casual visitor to the Ranch It's strange that we don't know more about him.</b><br /><br />In Ed Sanders' book "The Family", there is an excerpt about Kitty Lutesinger returning to Spahn Ranch the night before the August 16th, 1969 raid, after a few weeks at her parents' house:<br /><i> "The night the Straight Satans raided the ranch, Kitty Lutesinger called the Spahn Ranch and asked someone to pick her up. She had called the ranch several times to talk to Beausoleil. She did not know that he had been arrested for murder. Finally she talked over the phone to Manson, who said that Beausoleil had been arrested but it was nothing; he would be out soon and why didn't she return to the ranch to wait for him. The seventeen-year-old girl, pregnant by Beausoleil, was having trouble with her parents, one of whom wanted her to get an abortion. There was quarreling, and she decided to split. <br />About midnight, Sadie, Gypsy, <b>and a male Caucasian named Junior</b>, came to Northridge in Johnny Swartz's car to pick up Kitty. Right there, in the driveway of her father's horse ranch, Sadie cut Kitty's hair off, leaving the single witchy tail adangle. They told her to burn one hair, bury one hair, and turn the rest over to the Soul. <br />She arrived just in time to party with the Straight Satans, to catch a couple hours sleep, then to get arrested in the dawn raid of the sheriff.</i><br /><br />"Junior" was most likely Herb Townsend Jr. My co-worker knew him as Junior. There's several pictures of a guy in 1970 at Spahn and outside the courtroom (with Squeaky Ouisch et al). He's in one picture with Hugh Rocky Todd and some Appaloosa horses at Spahn, and is referred to as "Pat". I'm wondering if "Pat" is actually Junior Townsend. Would be interesting to see a picture of him.Gorodishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16554015159612108936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-27731207651698275842020-04-29T02:59:11.098-04:002020-04-29T02:59:11.098-04:00ColScott typed:
So 2 minutes of inbreds using a s...ColScott typed:<br /><br /><b>So 2 minutes of inbreds using a selfie stick and then lots of footage of a junk dump site?<br />Well that is seven minutes I will never get back.</b><br /><br />I busted up laughing at this. On the rare occasions in the past 10-15 years that I've traveled that road, I pass that place and think to myself, Bishop Nekona and Brother Asaiah are rolling in their graves seeing what an eyesore that place has become.<br /><br />Another nearby place that seems to have suffered a similar fate is the old poker parlor, the Pass Club, on the very top of the hill across Santa Susanna Pass right where Box Canyon intersects it. It is looking resplendent these days with junked trucks and a Winnebago on blocks, along with a large cluster of cell towers. The place has an incredible view of Simi Valley. This is the same place where supposedly, in June 1969, Manson and Tex tried to kidnap two old ladies (one of them in a wheelchair) who were leaving the poker club late at night, and take their money and most likely kill them. The two grannies saw Tex coming with his knife and almost ran him over ( a shame they missed), then proceeded to outrun the two Chucks in a chase and lose them somewhere in the Valley.Gorodishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16554015159612108936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-43966053275018468462020-04-29T02:08:45.303-04:002020-04-29T02:08:45.303-04:00Doug typed:
I'm kinda shocked that Lisa Gleit...Doug typed:<br /><br /><b>I'm kinda shocked that Lisa Gleitsman walked away scott free...</b><br /><br />Gleitsman was a real piece of work. What makes her stand out even more from the other 4 involved is that she was originally a rich Jewish girl from Woodland Hills. Her father was Alan Gleitsman, a multi-millionaire TV executive and philanthropist who started the Gleitsman Foundation. He died in 2006, but if you want to get a load of how high-powered this guy was, google Alan L. Gleitsman obituary. Makes you wonder where she took a few left turns...possibly the parents divorcing could've messed her up. She was supposedly living with the other girl involved, Virginia Walton, at the time of the murders. That most likely went south when they all started throwing each other under the bus to save themselves. Those girls definitely skated on that deal, considering how cold-hearted they were.Gorodishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16554015159612108936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-11475772942713421342020-04-28T23:23:30.836-04:002020-04-28T23:23:30.836-04:00It is extremely fascinating how locations and, peo...It is extremely fascinating how locations and, people, are all connected. <br /><br />I'm kinda shocked that Lisa Gleitsman walked away scott free...after already beating on the poor girl she attacked her and took a boulder to her freakin head!<br /><br />Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17388908256992077315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-68635338693362786372020-04-28T22:13:27.909-04:002020-04-28T22:13:27.909-04:00Gorodish said...
"Danny said they'd ...Gorodish said...<br /> "Danny said they'd probably think it was the Manson family that did it."<br /> This is from an article from the Valley News dated 2/15/1973. <br /><br />Thanks for that great link!starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.com