tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post1228689041377437972..comments2024-03-28T23:53:16.262-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: The Coffee Heiress (Part One)Matthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger107125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-68749840182704576892023-08-30T20:42:54.849-04:002023-08-30T20:42:54.849-04:00This is an amazing post, beautifully written and g...This is an amazing post, beautifully written and gives so much information about Gibbie (spelled correctly!). I would like to say that I think she was a very striking looking girl. She may not have had the Barbie surfer girl suntanned beach bunny looks that were so "in" at that time during the 60's, but she definitely had her own style. I think she would have grown into her personal fashion sense and been very sought after and attractive, and not just for her money. I think she was gorgeous and almost had an exotic look about her. Retromoviefanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00564461734794811452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-41210403134914659212019-08-09T02:28:52.092-04:002019-08-09T02:28:52.092-04:00Merci pour cette article sur Abigail.Merci pour cette article sur Abigail.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07579627880271057667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-1849739456007589872018-10-03T15:40:02.842-04:002018-10-03T15:40:02.842-04:00I appreciate this post. Greatly. It's really n...I appreciate this post. Greatly. It's really nice to read something so in-depth about Abigail. Sharon Tate is the only one who ever seems to get any recognition whereas Gibbie is always lumped into "....and the others" narrative.Nomadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03161324695851598433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-37832438471081346382018-09-30T17:44:16.698-04:002018-09-30T17:44:16.698-04:00Part 2?
I found Pt 1 tres interesting!
Just say...Part 2? <br /><br />I found Pt 1 tres interesting!<br /><br />Just sayin...<br /><br />;-)Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17388908256992077315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-6922981159875084072018-07-09T12:51:23.242-04:002018-07-09T12:51:23.242-04:00beauders said...
Even Manson knew it was not ... beauders said...<br /><br /> <b>Even Manson knew it was not good to die in fear and these people were terrified</b><br /><br />Manson's comment that people shouldn't die in fear is among his dumber statements. Tied up in their house, how could they <i>not</i> be afraid ? Facing guns and knives, they're going to be calm ?grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-90200602323240083772018-07-08T23:19:02.164-04:002018-07-08T23:19:02.164-04:00Even Manson knew it was not good to die in fear an...Even Manson knew it was not good to die in fear and these people were terrified.beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-86379630692288054592018-07-08T16:52:34.945-04:002018-07-08T16:52:34.945-04:00Gibbie was beautiful. She had elegance, class, bea...Gibbie was beautiful. She had elegance, class, beauty, kindness...in the words of the late, great Terry Wogan (Grim will know) she had it all!<br /><br />John - that crime is absolutely harrowing! Her death haunted me for days if not weeks. I would lie awake at night and think of her and would shake my husband awake asking if he thought she had suffered..Even now I think of her and hope it wasn’t as bad as it seems.LastGirlOnTheLefthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836640848171283652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-41637501540650188402018-07-08T00:32:57.027-04:002018-07-08T00:32:57.027-04:00Tony Cole said...
Gibby was fugly
Tony, No she wa...Tony Cole said...<br />Gibby was fugly<br /><br />Tony, No she was not fugly.<br />She was a pretty lady.<br />Very sick post, Tony.<br />Uncool indeed.<br />Please try and refrain from posting a comment like that. Try and show some class and human empathy for a lady who suffered a horrific death, just because you want to stir the pot by being hateful.<br />That tells us more about the type of person YOU are.John Segerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13870704063219582222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-2489959468817871052018-07-08T00:26:05.573-04:002018-07-08T00:26:05.573-04:00Claire Robinson, I googled Edith Muhr and read thi...Claire Robinson, I googled Edith Muhr and read this:<br />"Sep 25, 2011 - A French farmer who bound an elderly German woman to a ladder before sawing off her limbs while she was still alive has been sentenced to life in prison. Yves Bureau was found guilty of torturing and murdering Edith Muhr at his farmhouse in Verdon in the Dordogne region of France."<br /><br />Claire, that is beyond sick.<br />What a sick and twisted world we live in.John Segerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13870704063219582222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-75417797084441218132018-07-07T10:06:27.623-04:002018-07-07T10:06:27.623-04:00Not cool. Not true.
Not cool. Not true.<br /><br /><br />Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-27642154720812331972018-07-07T00:08:03.374-04:002018-07-07T00:08:03.374-04:00Grim:
I thought the same thing too!
Totally not c...Grim:<br /><br />I thought the same thing too!<br />Totally not cool. <br />:o(Hippiedollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02334488948341329176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-29293146188865608312018-07-06T20:59:02.222-04:002018-07-06T20:59:02.222-04:00Joe said:
"A bunch of stuff."
Huh?Joe said: <br /><br />"A bunch of stuff."<br /><br />Huh? Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-35065316222551586622018-07-06T20:30:41.986-04:002018-07-06T20:30:41.986-04:00Tony,
Fools that will laugh on earth, most weep ...Tony, <br /><br />Fools that will laugh on earth, most weep in hell.<br /> Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-14129872194763936822018-07-06T19:16:03.377-04:002018-07-06T19:16:03.377-04:00Not cool Tony, not cool.Not cool Tony, not cool.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-29955843036333906472018-07-06T00:36:07.852-04:002018-07-06T00:36:07.852-04:00Gibby was fuglyGibby was fuglyAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00721164964091776500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-75158292070115370782018-07-03T23:54:42.237-04:002018-07-03T23:54:42.237-04:00She already had a taste for bad boys.
Kit Marlowe...She already had a taste for bad boys. <br />Kit Marlowe was quite an Elizabethan bad boy himself. Brawler, wit, spy...he was stabbed to death through the eye for gods sake!JChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02109631898318588586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-5642468750715683582018-07-01T20:04:19.854-04:002018-07-01T20:04:19.854-04:00nice rememberance of gibbie folger. so sad.nice rememberance of gibbie folger. so sad.nikkistardusthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06379958090487260809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-91221551998233863252018-07-01T16:00:47.169-04:002018-07-01T16:00:47.169-04:00Matriarchal society? Are you kidding? In the UK al...Matriarchal society? Are you kidding? In the UK almost three women a WEEK are murdered by men...men commit 90% of all violent crime. Feck’s sake! Don’t be a misogynist!<br /><br />Anyway, (sorry for being distracted by the misogynistic man there) the worst crime I have ever read about occurred a few years ago, in France. The victim was a woman (hear that, Joseph?) called Edith Muhr and she was murdered horrifically. <br /><br />I had sleepless nights over her murder...I used to wake my husband in the wee small hours and ask him if he thought she suffered as I couldn’t stand it.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />LastGirlOnTheLefthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836640848171283652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-89271499407436633412018-06-30T21:39:00.273-04:002018-06-30T21:39:00.273-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Orwhuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00872103754747037178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-25001522905525919032018-06-30T20:47:05.198-04:002018-06-30T20:47:05.198-04:00Joe,
So you know. If you post comments like the ...Joe, <br /><br />So you know. If you post comments like the end of the last one I will delete them until someone higher up the food chain tells me to stop. If you would like to repost that comment without the end bit I would let it stand. Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-77652249079099077232018-06-30T20:36:11.073-04:002018-06-30T20:36:11.073-04:00joseph esposito said...
that doesn't phase... joseph esposito said...<br /><br /> <b>that doesn't phase you, that we live in such a Matriarchal society, that (fiendish wo-MEN killers) NEVER become caricatures of evil the way Manson was?</b><br /><br />I can't speak for the USA but in the UK, there have been few murderers that have been as reviled as Myra Hindley in the last 50 years. <br />While she was alive, it virtually impossible to have a conversation about her and say anything that wasn't condemning, without being lambasted as a tree hugging soft on crime liberal.<br />Some criminals catch the public imagination and media creativity in ways others don't, for a variety of reasons.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-25077224735993606052018-06-30T20:33:01.481-04:002018-06-30T20:33:01.481-04:00Grim said: "Even a post about one of the vict...Grim said: "Even a post about one of the victims that brings a certain vibrancy to their memory and life veers in the direction of the killers and what they did, felt, thought, deserve etc."<br /><br />You are absolutely correct. That's why I'm out now.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-21541474588790892032018-06-30T20:22:53.184-04:002018-06-30T20:22:53.184-04:00Even a post about one of the victims that brings a...Even a post about one of the victims that brings a certain vibrancy to their memory and life veers in the direction of the killers and what they did, felt, thought, deserve etc.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-61315005463387828092018-06-30T20:17:30.840-04:002018-06-30T20:17:30.840-04:00David said...
Stabbing someone is an extremely ...David said...<br /><br /> <b>Stabbing someone is an extremely personal way to kill and I do think that makes a difference</b><br /><br />Well, we're just different. For me, strangling someone, holding someone's head underwater until they drown, slicing off someone's genitals before shooting them, pouring flammable liquid on someone and setting them alight, hammering or battering someone's head, pushing someone off a building or mountain or into oncoming traffic, beheading or decapitation, suffocating someone, poisoning someone...I don't see them as any less personal.<br />I find sometimes that with this particular set of killers, in order to justify one's feeling that they should never be paroled, the horror that the victims suffered is almost amplified above and beyond that of any other victims of murders. <br /><br /><b>No, because she knew it was wrong</b><br /><br />I think this highly debatable. Knowing that society and the law deem something as wrong doesn't mean one who goes against those codes believes it too. All the actors and rockers that used to take illegal drugs knew they ran the risk of getting busted if caught by the authorities. But few, if any, honestly thought they were doing <i>wrong</i>.<br /><br /> <b>She simply didn't care</b><br /><br />Very true. And she held that in common with many, if not most murderers.<br />By the time of the Part interview, she was admitting that she sometimes cried when she thought about what it did to the LaBianca children and that she felt bad about it and sorry for the Tates which is why she tried <i>not</i> to think about it.<br /><br /> <b>and more to my point, she enjoyed what she did (without mental defect)....She enjoyed it. As did they all</b><br /><br />That I really wonder about. Because again, there is that swinging back and forth, different descriptions of different feelings at different times.<br />If it was the case that I took on board what they've said subsequently, then even I could see the weakness in the argument because it can easily be argued that they could easily be feigning remorse for parole purposes {even though I don't solely go along with that}. But I'm not. I'm basing any thoughts purely on contemporaneous words at the time, that is '69-'71.<br />I don't believe they all enjoyed it.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-10249872180284573642018-06-30T19:16:38.346-04:002018-06-30T19:16:38.346-04:00David said...
There is a difference between a psy... David said...<br /><br /><b>There is a difference between a psychopath or sociopath who kills for shear pleasure (one way or the other) and these killers, who seem to fall into a unique category</b><br /><br />I think they do fall in a unique category. Part of what is unique is that their story doesn't end with the perps in jail forever and a day and never to be heard of again.<br /><br /> <b>They suffered from no particular diagnosis and killed 'because it had to happen'</b><br /><br />And subsequently regretted it and turned their backs on that whole milieu. Does that count for nothing at all ? I could understand it more if it was only 10 or even 25 years ago. We're talking close to half a century. I'm not arguing that they all should be walking the streets, but a half a century, that's an awful long time for things to happen in a decaying life such as theirs was.<br /><br /> <b>And when they did, they felt nothing and absolutely no contemporaneous account by any one of them that I have ever seen actually says they felt anything except joy</b><br /><br />This is a story that swings back and forth like a pendulum and keeping track of contemporaneous statements in order to present a consistent picture is nigh on impossible.Take Atkins for instance. Forget anything she's said since conviction for Hinman for a moment, just her to~ing and fro~ing from Nov '69 to the end of the TLB trial. Her approach and attitude can be objectively charted as "Away from Charlie" and "With Charlie." The "With Charlie", primarily during the trial, denotes joy.<br />Van Houten's main contribution is her interview with Marvin Part. She's certainly unrepentant but 'joy' is not how I'd classify her being on it. <br />Pat is hardly joyous, running off to Alabama and scared of Charlie finding her and killing her, then fighting extradition.<br />The one place where the 'joy' was paraded for the world to see was during the penalty phase of a trial in which they'd already been convicted. A trial in which they had pleaded 'not guilty'. The reason I mention that is simply because those utterances can't really be divorced from Charles Manson. And therefore, are not without an important context.<br />grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.com