tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post1638108167610586322..comments2024-03-29T10:47:02.156-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Oct. 20, 1969 InterviewsMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-81858135830698449932022-12-20T11:50:59.603-05:002022-12-20T11:50:59.603-05:00great information and a very well written postgreat information and a very well written postJayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11520269786906905591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-44691149988784178992022-12-18T18:14:10.792-05:002022-12-18T18:14:10.792-05:00Who rattled your cage? there's no need to be n...Who rattled your cage? there's no need to be nasty and talk like that, haven't seen you on here before and it's not a good first impression 😔Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02236566945304977023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-7753973171676182972022-12-17T22:18:38.921-05:002022-12-17T22:18:38.921-05:00Your language is appalling Your language is appalling Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02236566945304977023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-68950978990805564592022-12-05T17:23:24.542-05:002022-12-05T17:23:24.542-05:00...and a very Merry Christmas to us all!...and a very Merry Christmas to us all!shoegazerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14073693271676337152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-59275073837566243012022-12-05T17:08:07.185-05:002022-12-05T17:08:07.185-05:00Oh, for fucking (Deb's) sake, Vera has to wake...Oh, for fucking (Deb's) sake, Vera has to wake up to this cattletrap from Porky again? Vera thought she was Robin Olson, or so brilliant col accused her, but she'll take O'Neill, if that makes him jollier. And she thought SHE was obsessed with Tom O but it sure looks like somebody else has a bigger (but V guessing smaller, hence the never-ending spit-sputtering rage) hard-on for him. Screen capping (whatever the fuck that means) all his comments? Well Vera has her priorities so won't go down those hiney holes but shes pretty sure Cols posted loads and loads more hateful shit, calling chickies (My Deborah for starters) a c***, pig and so on and so on and so on and where's goddamed my gin?. That language don't bother your V at all as she's got a pretty pleasant one herself and is pretty goddamed pleased with it. Wanna see, my sweeties?<br />xxoxoxo<br />Tom, I mean Vera, I mean Robin, I mean QuentVera Dreiserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16434785258950871234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-88968981576195079192022-12-05T13:40:34.933-05:002022-12-05T13:40:34.933-05:00typos
*spent the advance
*one"stypos<br /><br />*spent the advance<br />*one"sColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-56807004653842958482022-12-05T13:37:05.877-05:002022-12-05T13:37:05.877-05:00What's funny is that he never expected the set...What's funny is that he never expected the set up to change and that the mods would have access to IP #s. He can deny till he dies but he is fully busted.<br /><br />I never expected him to do a retread of Maury's Terry's mental illness. Talking with Max Frost we concluded that he HAD to write something after two decades because he has already spent time the advance and was gonna get sued.<br /><br />But then he seems to think that BECAUSE he spent so long on it it has greater value - rather than just, you know, he was bad at this.<br /><br />The fitting punishment has already happened- no one serious has cared a fuck about the book and he is peddling to a very small qanon crowd on Insta.<br /><br />Imagine the import of today's post please- Tom O'Neill's disinformation precipitated an investigation into a loved ones suicide and even though he was pumping you for information he never told you.<br /><br />DISGUSTINGColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-40303106348958436262022-12-04T20:07:25.118-05:002022-12-04T20:07:25.118-05:00Back on Aug 16th, VD said:
Much as this old gal/h...Back on Aug 16th, VD said:<br /><br /><b>Much as this old gal/hag hates to agree with David..and Porky Pig,.. Vera agrees that ONeills book broke no new ground whatsoever and needs to be consecrated to the dust bin of shitty trash history</b><br /><br />So....was this a ruse to "cue the defence" ? 😒 🥴grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-73198475098030357422022-12-04T18:55:11.641-05:002022-12-04T18:55:11.641-05:00Oh dear. Oh dear oh dear oh dear. Did Vera call De...Oh dear. Oh dear oh dear oh dear. Did Vera call Deb just a bitch or a fucking bitch? Is it too late to amend it now Porky?<br />xoxoxo,<br />V<br />CC: TomVera Dreiserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16434785258950871234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-3720712780244852172022-12-04T18:23:06.200-05:002022-12-04T18:23:06.200-05:00Oh snap!Oh snap!G. Greene-Whytehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16687404262559321867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-8296386224318997892022-12-04T18:06:05.525-05:002022-12-04T18:06:05.525-05:00yeah typos because blogger doesn't allow corre...yeah typos because blogger doesn't allow corrections<br /><br /><br />*information<br />*or the DA<br /><br /><br />I wish you had proofread your fucking book Tom Tom the Lying ScumColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-24741669554152091232022-12-04T18:03:15.143-05:002022-12-04T18:03:15.143-05:00VERA/TOM
It is important you understand why we ha...VERA/TOM<br /><br />It is important you understand why we hate you- we hate you for disinformation. We hate you for your arrogant abuse. We hate you for the way you have treated your fellow researchers. We hate you for the deuce you dropped on the case which now distracts future scholars who might think your book is not a pile of dookie.<br /><br />Most of all we hate you for your inability to actually process information. Through various unethical and aggressive means you had more access to infiormtation since the pedophile Bill Nelson. And you were too fucking stupid to process what you had. Your sense of entitlement and your level of ignorance is historically epic.<br /><br />What you did NOT know Tom/Vera is that the Blogger software interface was updated on August 1 of this year and for the first time gave the owners access to IP addresses. You're too fucking stupid and intellectually lazy to even realize this methinks but Matt and Deb and the real humans who run this place, the real humans who have had threats from that Radio nut job and from other people (I literally had a Pakistani psycho confront me at work in 2019) decided you needed to be exposed. And we didn't need to do anything Tom. You did it all for us you hysterical baboon.<br /><br />I personally spent many hours screen capping your comments. I cannot imagine what your publisher will think (of the DA for that matter ) about an insecure, moronic, gay dude catfishing as a woman calling Deb a bitch for example. Your whole post history is worthy of its own site and perhaps it gets that!<br /><br />Tom your instinct is going to be to deny. NO ONE FUCKING BELIEVES YOU you sad sack of shit. You blew it- any pretense to being a serious researcher is gone baby gone.<br /><br />I am excited about next steps it is gonna be LIT!ColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-91478848916338249762022-12-04T14:34:04.302-05:002022-12-04T14:34:04.302-05:00Paul Watkins and Brooks Poston were fountains of i...Paul Watkins and Brooks Poston were fountains of info in this report. Watkins always came across as articulate, but I am amazed at the detail in Poston's interview. He was supposedly one spaced out dude before he left for Barker in 1968. I get that he had spent the last 8 months being "deprogrammed" by Paul Crockett, but I am still impressed with the amount of detail he gave.Gorodishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16554015159612108936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-4573036933197449702022-12-04T07:31:54.265-05:002022-12-04T07:31:54.265-05:00J-Dog said... Where is everybody?
Don't conf...<b>J-Dog said... <i>Where is everybody?</i></b><br /><br />Don't confuse absence of evidence with evidence of absence. I'm sure that many longtime followers of the various Manson blogs still check out the posts without feeling the need to comment on them.<br /><br />And yes, Tom O'Neill is Vera Dreiser .... I thought this was common knowledge (?)jempudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02951791860743186080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-84956312732627177002022-12-03T19:18:47.338-05:002022-12-03T19:18:47.338-05:00orwhut said:
Does anyone know how many copies of ...orwhut said:<br /><br /><b>Does anyone know how many copies of Dianne Lake's book were... sold?</b><br /><br />There's 43 for sale right now on Amazon. 31 are used ! 😩grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-82465684147178539142022-12-03T19:13:41.612-05:002022-12-03T19:13:41.612-05:00D. said:
I don't think Charlie's "gr...D. said:<br /><br /><b>I don't think Charlie's "grudge against of much of society in America" was any greater than the rest of the country, who were burning flags, draft cars, SS cards, brawling with police, cheering the gun toting Black Panthers and so on. Or people like Jerry Rubin telling people to kill their mom's and dads</b><br /><br />I agree.<br />That doesn't get Charlie off the hook though. People express their grudges in a myriad of different ways.<br /><br /><b>We're talking personal grudges</b> <br /><br />Every grudge is, at some level, personal. A grudge is a grudge is a grudge. It can be personal, it can be aimed at a faceless corporation, it can be towards an entire people or race of people or nationality or political party or government or members of staff in a school or one's parents etc, etc, etc. Groups can also be co~opted into a pre-existing grudge, at which point it becomes personal for those individuals that make up the group.<br /><br /><b>Watkins was riding Charlie's coat tails hoping the record deal would come through, then Beausoleil came along and he got jealous</b><br /><br />Well, as I've never heard anyone involved forward this suggestion, I can't comment, other than to say it sounds plausible but not probable.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-53905279967701254592022-12-03T16:11:09.397-05:002022-12-03T16:11:09.397-05:00I don't think Charlie's "grudge again...I don't think Charlie's "grudge against of much of society in America" was any greater than the rest of the country, who were burning flags, draft cars, SS cards, brawling with police, cheering the gun toting Black Panthers and so on. Or people like Jerry Rubin telling people to kill their mom's and dads.<br /><br />We're talking personal grudges. Watkins was riding Charlie's coat tails hoping the record deal would come through, then Beausoleil came along and he got jealous.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00987799567880583276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-37903407223333300432022-12-03T12:40:23.547-05:002022-12-03T12:40:23.547-05:00D. said:
Charles Manson, whom they all bore a gru...D. said:<br /><br /><b>Charles Manson, whom they all bore a grudge against</b><br /><br />I'd say be very careful going down the road of emphasizing grudges....<br />Charles Manson held a major grudge against much of society in America in general. Personally, I think that his holding a grudge in no way invalidates what he had to say about the prevailing society. I think he had a series of good points and there were many that completely agreed with him. He knew hypocrisy when he saw it, having experienced it for so many years.<br />So his having a grudge didn't mean that he lied about much of American society as he saw it.<br />He still held the grudge, however.<br />The same goes for the 3 that you mentioned, Poston, Watkins and Lake. None of them testified that Manson was part of the troupe that committed the murders. They simply gave important background information that circumstantially connected Charlie to the conspiracy. And it wasn't them that did this, but the prosecution.<br /><br />shoegazer said:<br /><br /><b>I post into this group under a handle that I use nowhere else because, sadly, such obnoxious posters make me ashamed of my participation here</b><br /><br />I simply don't allow someone else's behaviour to define who <i>I</i> am. I can't be blamed for what someone else does. I gamble that people reading these pages will make up their own minds and much as I might like to influence their thought process, it's out of my hands.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-43887101315507752722022-12-03T06:28:17.727-05:002022-12-03T06:28:17.727-05:00Does anyone know how many copies of Dianne Lake...Does anyone know how many copies of Dianne Lake's book were sold or how to find out?orwhuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14689926449812436866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-6101771175647305382022-12-02T20:49:56.733-05:002022-12-02T20:49:56.733-05:00D. said:
I don't believe most of what comes f... D. said:<br /><br /><b>I don't believe most of what comes from Dianne Lake</b><br /><br />As I was walking to work on Thursday morning, that very thought passed through my mind. That you'd say that, that is.<br />In reality, there isn't a woman on the planet that you'd acknowledge as telling the truth if she said Charlie used force or coercion on them to extract sex either for himself or someone else, despite plenty of testimony and stories to the contrary.<br />So it's always going to be something of a non-conversation between us, isn't it ?<br /><br /><b>She nor others like Brooks Poston or even Paul Watkins shouldn't have even been allowed to testify since they had zero real knowledge or insight into the crimes</b><br /><br />Maybe I shouldn't be, but I'm still somewhat surprised that an intelligent thinker like yourself repeatedly falls down on something so simple to understand, just because you won't look beyond your bias and the story you want to uphold.<br />Poston, Watkins, Lake and others were crucial to the case for the simple reason that they provided circumstantial evidence. Whether they had direct knowledge of the crimes is as relevant as whether or not they liked to eat chickpeas.<br />You know the prosecution alleged a certain thought process under which aegis the crimes were committed. To say that the 3 you mentioned "shouldn't have even been allowed to testify" is a foolhardy statement. I have no problem with you thinking they were bullshitters or that they were duped by the cunning Dark Lord of Due Process; you can think what you like ~ as long as it makes sense. And your notion doesn't. That's how complex cases like TLB are put together.<br /><br /><b>Their testimony was WM3 level bullshit and was used to simply character assassinate Charles Manson</b><br /><br />I shouldn't laugh, but I am...<br />That's got to be one of the hardest jobs in the world, character-assassinating Charles Manson.<br />Real character assassination would have been to say what a lovely, wholesome, law-abiding bloke he was ! 😁 <br /><br /><b>whom they all bore a grudge against</b><br /><br />Dianne Lake had good cause to. And many have thought that for 40 years or more before her book came out. Decades before she'd even heard of Deborah Herman.<br />As for Watkins and Poston, well, sometimes, when someone that you once hero-worshipped turns out to have feet of clay, it's not an unusual reaction to bear a grudge, just check out the Beatles' "Sexy Sadie."<br />Bearing a grudge doesn't automatically equate to everything you say that's negative about the person being a lie.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-61737851061818957962022-12-02T20:23:23.073-05:002022-12-02T20:23:23.073-05:00Deb. S:
LOL, LOL, LOL. Deb. S:<br />LOL, LOL, LOL. Vera Dreiserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16434785258950871234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-53229179002486832782022-12-02T20:18:12.168-05:002022-12-02T20:18:12.168-05:00VD said:
now I can have my morning martini and w...VD said:<br /><br /> <b>now I can have my morning martini and wait for porky and grim and the other losers boring ass replies</b><br /><br />Awww, ain't that cute. The president of the international house of fandom faithfully awaiting my latest pronouncement !<br /><br />"Continuez d'attendre <a href="https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fimages-na.ssl-images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FS%2Fpv-target-images%2F00661cce56d6407f30af691282034a42520853491e372e6143cd6ef2383e30f6._RI_V_TTW_.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=e931470ea94c3cdbf50f68c4c774f30c65ba230372bea870501c2d4e1723ac23&ipo=images" rel="nofollow">Dora !"</a><br /><br />"استمر في الانتظار درة !"<br /><br />"Warte weiter <a href="https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-V0atCs0RfqU%2FWlveivwUxbI%2FAAAAAAABOzE%2FlRZndQehVcg14ozEybK2Nx270yfaGeJKACKgBGAs%2Fs1600%2FDora%252B9.png&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=41fcad6c0ae63553f29e7a40fc98ac367718643cda9cb69ed62e7796744558eb&ipo=images" rel="nofollow">Dora !</a>"<br /><br />"继续等待朵拉 !"grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-79510949010383659922022-12-02T20:08:49.752-05:002022-12-02T20:08:49.752-05:00As per orwhut, Deb's material is the only stuf...As per orwhut, Deb's material is the only stuff that matters anymore, else you slide into the sorts of catty exchanges we've read today, and which are why no one outside of these forums takes any of this--which at its best is detailed popular history in the truest, purest sense of the term--as anything but cult worship.<br /><br />I post into this group under a handle that I use nowhere else because, sadly, such obnoxious posters make me ashamed of my participation here.shoegazerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14073693271676337152noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-62035846802341968852022-12-02T19:15:06.650-05:002022-12-02T19:15:06.650-05:00BTW Grim. I don't believe most of what comes f...BTW Grim. I don't believe most of what comes from Dianne Lake. She nor others like Brooks Poston or even Paul Watkins shouldn't have even been allowed to testify since they had zero real knowledge or insight into the crimes. Their testimony was WM3 level bullshit and was used to simply character assassinate Charles Manson, whom they all bore a grudge against.<br /><br />You can't write a book of which the target audience is man hating women without a good sodomy story, complete with cinematic lines like "I'm going to show you how we do it in prison!". How else will people like H. Allegra Lansing find it tickling? Did it happen in a van? Or by a creek in the woods? Tell me, since her retelling of it always changes, especially since her hack ghost writer, Deborah Herman wrote it. Who's goal was to be, as she put it "the next Joan Didion or Truman Capote". That says it all.D.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00987799567880583276noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-65710529542838975982022-12-02T19:13:41.310-05:002022-12-02T19:13:41.310-05:00Deb,
IMHO, you're doing exactly what a true cr...Deb,<br />IMHO, you're doing exactly what a true crime writer should when posting material. By providing the actual source material you're showing that you aren't publishing unproven theories. For too many years I've been reading "facts" by some "authority" giving no other reason to believe them but that "they" claim they"re true. Please keep up the good work.<br />Whutorwhuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14689926449812436866noreply@blogger.com