tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post16893823834971631..comments2024-03-28T23:53:16.262-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Brenda's gonna get marriedMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-56727763613742148292013-08-17T03:54:03.477-04:002013-08-17T03:54:03.477-04:00i'm not questioning the information just curio...i'm not questioning the information just curious because I didn't know nancy had a living child while at spahn.beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-48789812548512739892013-08-17T00:58:47.761-04:002013-08-17T00:58:47.761-04:00Beauders I'm just relating what I was told and...Beauders I'm just relating what I was told and I do trust my source. The child was school aged that lived with Nancy's parents in Napa and was said to be Nancy's child. I do not know if they ever lived with Nancy or were raised by the grandparents.<br /><br />It was posted years ago on forums that there is a birth record for a boy born in Feb. 1969 with the last name of Goucher and the mother's maiden name of McCann in Los Angeles and this was thought to be Nancy's child but I sent for the birth certificate and it's not Nancy's child.<br /><br />Besides the fact that the Goucher's were not known to be associated with the Family that early, the mother's first name is not any name that Nancy ever used and I could not find that the father was related to Billy or Veldon. Also the baby was born in a hospital.DebShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093893870315262396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-86824702789827450862013-08-16T23:43:51.495-04:002013-08-16T23:43:51.495-04:00so did the child ever live with his/her mother? I ...so did the child ever live with his/her mother? I know clem delivered a child but I thought it was stillborn or died soon after the birth.beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-7218297082701689662013-08-16T20:19:49.703-04:002013-08-16T20:19:49.703-04:00wow.wow.Patty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-34160133331187044142013-08-16T01:13:21.062-04:002013-08-16T01:13:21.062-04:00I wondered if I was understanding correctly about ...I wondered if I was understanding correctly about Nancy's baby myself.orwhuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14689926449812436866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-1140586017401099482013-08-16T00:23:21.623-04:002013-08-16T00:23:21.623-04:00Yes, Beauders. It came out in one of the trials. ...Yes, Beauders. It came out in one of the trials. Clem testified that he delivered Pitman's baby on a trail at the ranch.<br /><br />A few years ago I spoke with a retired Napa police officer about Nancy and Monfort. He and his wife lived in a home across the street and down a couple of house from them while Pitman and Monfort were waiting out their parole time in Napa.<br /><br />Prior to Nancy's release her parents bought a home for her to live in. It was a year or more before that happened and in the meantime Duncan and Joanne lived there with the child.<br /><br />I posted the deed and other info here-<br />http://www.eviliz.com/search/label/michael%20monfortDebShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093893870315262396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-72485103908770355552013-08-15T23:59:10.432-04:002013-08-15T23:59:10.432-04:00am I reading right pitman had a child while with t...am I reading right pitman had a child while with the family that was given to her biological family?beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-25073279864893821822013-08-15T20:42:58.621-04:002013-08-15T20:42:58.621-04:00It did mean that your parents were legally respons...It did mean that your parents were legally responsible for you until you were 21 years old, even if you were not living at home. So yes, your parents did have control.<br /><br />In Nancy's case she had borne a child that was taken from her and put into the custody of her parents which negated any emancipation she might have had resulting from motherhood. <br /><br />You are a young buck, Col! DebShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093893870315262396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-74143405274489500382013-08-15T19:24:12.214-04:002013-08-15T19:24:12.214-04:00that cannot mean that parents had control of you t...that cannot mean that parents had control of you till you were 21ColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-39134331113850555402013-08-15T13:45:01.540-04:002013-08-15T13:45:01.540-04:00Col, the age of majority is now 18 years old but i...Col, the age of majority is now 18 years old but it wasn't back then. See my comment to orwhut where I posted this-<br /><br />"Prior to March 4, 1972, the age of majority in California was 21. California lowered its age of majority after the passage of the 26th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution in 1971, which lowered the legal voting age to 18."<br /><br />Read more: http://www.ehow.com/facts_7434411_age-majority-law-california.html#ixzz2bzH9vqHBDebShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093893870315262396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-9162596325902818922013-08-15T11:23:34.636-04:002013-08-15T11:23:34.636-04:00You only need to get emancipated when you are UNDE...You only need to get emancipated when you are UNDER 18. That happens all the time in Hollywood when people want to work without guardians. I love Robert to bits but this story doesn't trackColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-37082566048184001132013-08-15T06:53:15.476-04:002013-08-15T06:53:15.476-04:00Farflung: My uncle started out as a doctor in the ...<i>Farflung: My uncle started out as a doctor in the now semi-ghost town of Randsberg. Over the years he kept buying desert property for 50 cents to $1 an acre. He even bought the ajoining properties on two sides of Edwards Air Force Base.<br /><br />I think he almost bought the town of Lancaster until he realized it was cursed. Everyone thought he was crazy until many years later developers started buying HIS properties. Thanks to him Victorville rose from a truck stop to a suburban city. He made so much money, he stopped charging his patients, which turned him into a medical legend.<br /><br />RH</i><br />Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-34130060432326521692013-08-15T00:48:46.995-04:002013-08-15T00:48:46.995-04:00mark rollins grant=bruce davismark rollins grant=bruce davisbeaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-15486609440244634202013-08-14T21:39:39.906-04:002013-08-14T21:39:39.906-04:00So Pitman got married on 420? Really?? Hitler’s ...So Pitman got married on 420? Really?? Hitler’s birthday, that’s probably what won over Monfort.<br /><br />But the onion continues to grow and grow, larger and larger, curiouser and curiouser. <br /><br />For if Brenda was already married on 20 April 1970, THEN she would have already been emancipated and in no need of a marriage to Hughes later that year.<br /><br />I’m starting to feel like a Zombie bit me.Farflunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17723130825592879022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-75890259998126711302013-08-14T21:26:07.220-04:002013-08-14T21:26:07.220-04:00Not that this has anything to do with the story th...Not that this has anything to do with the story that was posted, but I have always wondered which girls out of the whole group got pregnant during the time Manson was free, besides the four we know about: Mary, Susan & Sandra & Kitty? I wonder if there were a lot of miscarriages, because of poor health? Didn't I read somewhere that Brenda might have given birth at Spahn too? Just something I wonder about?AustinAnn74https://www.blogger.com/profile/06342503212454947554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-704395165748311072013-08-14T21:08:28.379-04:002013-08-14T21:08:28.379-04:00OK, here’s yet another slice of weirdness, brought...OK, here’s yet another slice of weirdness, brought to you by California.<br /><br />Brenda needs to go to the free clinic for a blood test, presumably because she doesn’t have the bread to pay a phlebotomist who didn’t have the DTs. Fine, we’ve all been there to some degree.<br /><br />But she was getting married to a California lawyer who appeared to be on the same financial rung as the Spahn inhabitants.<br /><br />So why didn’t they get that unique to California license which is called a ‘Confidential Marriage’?<br /><br />Hughes would have to be familiar with such a legal device, and it was cheaper than the standard license. It also lacked another condition of the standard license in that there wasn’t a requirement for a blood test. How you like them apples, huh?Farflunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17723130825592879022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-11516104085859872782013-08-14T21:06:16.847-04:002013-08-14T21:06:16.847-04:00Deb and Farf, Thank you both for explaining. Thing...Deb and Farf, Thank you both for explaining. Things are now probably as clear as they'er going to get. I hope I'm wrong.orwhuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14689926449812436866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-73290281932547521222013-08-14T20:47:00.221-04:002013-08-14T20:47:00.221-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.orwhuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14689926449812436866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-29554372202252847472013-08-14T20:43:59.994-04:002013-08-14T20:43:59.994-04:00Nancy did get married to someone April 20, 1970 so...Nancy did get married to someone April 20, 1970 so the emancipation story might be correct. Deal was she got married in Nevada where it was legal for her to marry at 18 years old. You know, cross the old state line trick to get hitched.<br /><br />My guess would be that the brain trust at Spahn did not realize that Nancy needed her parents permission to marry in California so they fell back and regrouped. They then discovered that Nevada was the place to go.<br /><br /><br />Nevada, Marriage Index, 1956-2005 about Nancy Laura Pitman<br />Name: Nancy Laura Pitman<br />Gender: Female<br />Residence State: California<br />Spouse: Mark Rollins Grant<br />Spouse residence state: California<br />Marriage Date: 20 Apr 1970<br />Marriage City: Las Vegas<br />Officiant Type: Civil celebrant<br />Recorded Date: 1 May 1970<br />Recorded County: ClarkDebShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093893870315262396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-67337118246573357292013-08-14T20:29:28.992-04:002013-08-14T20:29:28.992-04:00Now this is getting good. And by good, I mean tha...Now this is getting good. And by good, I mean that ‘Family’ bat shit crazy, where the more you peel the onion, the larger it gets.<br /><br />So Brenda wants to marry Hughes to become emancipated.<br /><br />Orwhut brilliantly connects the fact that Brenda is already 18, so what up wit dat?<br /><br />DebS then finds the historical record of California’s majority age law which was 21.<br /><br />So what’s the next step?<br /><br />Even though California had a majority age of 21, a person could obtain a driving license at 16, purchase a long gun and ammunition at 18, AND without consent or warning, receive a special invitation from Uncle Sam for a free haircut, paid travel to foreign locations, where you could meet interesting and exotic people, then kill them.<br /><br />So here’s the Catch 22. In order to sidestep the majority age requirement of 21 via marriage, Brenda would first have to get permission from her parents (bzzzzzzt!), wrong answer because that’s what she was trying to avoid in the first place. Or she could have filed for emancipation via the legal system (a judge), by proving that she was legally employed or otherwise self supporting (bzzzzzzzt!), wrong answer again, because the emancipation writ from the judge would make the marriage to Hughes superfluous.<br /><br />Calgon take me away. So what was the genuine purpose of Brenda’s near nuptials? Emancipation seems even less likely now.Farflunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17723130825592879022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-47450849005081665802013-08-14T19:07:29.206-04:002013-08-14T19:07:29.206-04:00@orwhut I wondered about that, too. This is what I...@orwhut I wondered about that, too. This is what I found.<br /><br />"Prior to March 4, 1972, the age of majority in California was 21. California lowered its age of majority after the passage of the 26th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution in 1971, which lowered the legal voting age to 18."<br /><br />Read more: http://www.ehow.com/facts_7434411_age-majority-law-california.html#ixzz2bzH9vqHB<br /><br />I think the age of majority is confused with the age of consent. The age of consent has been 18 years old since 1913. <br /><br />The difference boils down like this, you could not make legal decisions in CA until you were 21 years old in 1969-70. But you could legally have sex with anyone at 18 years old.DebShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093893870315262396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-88658855063737564962013-08-14T17:26:13.609-04:002013-08-14T17:26:13.609-04:00The d.o.b. I find for Brenda is Jan. 1, 1951. Th...The d.o.b. I find for Brenda is Jan. 1, 1951. That would have made her 18 at the time of the murders. How old did a girl have to be to he emancipated in California in 1969?orwhuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14689926449812436866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-66558684068930024102013-08-14T15:51:25.767-04:002013-08-14T15:51:25.767-04:00My brain hurts man. Lol.My brain hurts man. Lol.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-55187489217688861262013-08-14T15:19:48.199-04:002013-08-14T15:19:48.199-04:00Here’s my dossier and analysis of…. the game show ...Here’s my dossier and analysis of…. the game show connections:<br /><br />This one is pretty well known where a serial killer (Rodney Acala) competes and wins on ‘The Dating Game’.<br /> <br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWe45bYQtqI" rel="nofollow"> The Dating Game Killer </a><br /><br />But he wasn’t the only killer to appear on TV. Here’s a clip of another:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IryE10uALVs" rel="nofollow">The Gong Show Killer </a><br /><br />Did you spot the founder of The Crips, Tookie Williams (3:22-3:25) performing? So where’s the Manson connection? The producer of ‘The Dating Game’ and the host of ‘The Gong Show’ was Chuck (Chuckie Baby) Barris, who had horses stabled with some Manson people, and his daughter bought drugs from them as well:<br /><br /><a href="http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/10/entertainment/la-et-rutten-20100610" rel="nofollow"> Book Review of ‘Della’ </a><br /><br />Now the author used some ‘facts’ to disprove this claimed association, and he’s probably correct, but I publish the statement anyway. Because if there was a Mansonite on ‘The Dating Game’ and some of the ‘girls’ were cheering in the audience, then there should be some more scrutiny placed upon Chuck Barris. Besides the game shows, Barris also wrote this song for Freddy Cannon: <br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBgaf5gXJcc" rel="nofollow">Palisades Park </a><br /><br />Annnnd what group remade that same song in 1976?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7i245y5Duo" rel="nofollow">Palisades Park ’76 </a><br /><br />Clearly Chuck Barris is mocking Manson with the Beach Boys version of his song. A coded message reminding Manson just who was pulling the strings all along; there simply isn’t any other explanation.<br /><br />That’s all I got.Farflunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17723130825592879022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-33076235488479207242013-08-14T14:30:54.273-04:002013-08-14T14:30:54.273-04:00Yes, Rodney Alcala but this is the first I've ...Yes, Rodney Alcala but this is the first I've heard of M girls in the audience...Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.com