tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post1970397827641277271..comments2024-03-27T21:24:06.590-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: TJ Walleman interview from 1970Matthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-49656053983261972462020-12-25T12:54:56.307-05:002020-12-25T12:54:56.307-05:00Right. Had family on that plane, lower middle clas...Right. Had family on that plane, lower middle class weekenders out having a nice time. Sad. Nobody is picking the site now or them. A mountain goat couldn’t reach itDavid Winfreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05502732631391755859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-54596067156857178142020-12-25T12:49:55.441-05:002020-12-25T12:49:55.441-05:00Of course not. The Gamblers Special wreckage is in...Of course not. The Gamblers Special wreckage is in a place so forbidden and inaccessible that it’s all still thereDavid Winfreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05502732631391755859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-66940434904673891122020-01-09T22:58:30.647-05:002020-01-09T22:58:30.647-05:00TJ: Charlie is everywhere
Wotta loonTJ: Charlie is everywhere<br /><br />Wotta loonDan Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17058602981660065969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-41932187172583911842020-01-09T18:39:00.524-05:002020-01-09T18:39:00.524-05:00Lots of love and thoughts for TJ then ! ? Lots of love and thoughts for TJ then ! ? grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-59330114566592997322020-01-02T17:39:54.235-05:002020-01-02T17:39:54.235-05:00Not thinking of a formal debate as much as a dialo...Not thinking of a formal debate as much as a dialogue. Not even sure he would accept but maybe...Patty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-27031590912353642152020-01-02T17:36:52.457-05:002020-01-02T17:36:52.457-05:00Panamint Patty asked...
So no takers on a Schreck...Panamint Patty asked...<br /><br /><b>So no takers on a Schreck debate?</b><br /><br />What would be the purpose of such a debate? What rules would debaters be expected to follow? In what sort of forum would such a debate take place (group chat, YouTube, social media)? What would the specific topic be? How would the team opposing Mr. Shreck be chosen and prepare itself? And most importantly, how would the winner be decided?<br /><br />Mr. Shreck is a fascinating person, and I enjoyed his book for what I thought it was. He’s a wonderfully skilled and engaging speaker as well. But things like these aren’t terribly useful when first planning a debate. The fundamentals described above are, so perhaps we should start with them. Thank you for considering them.Carloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16229053220050517462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-89729910068600994122020-01-02T17:34:43.263-05:002020-01-02T17:34:43.263-05:00I came across a recent interview with retired CHP ...<br />I came across a recent interview with retired CHP officer Jim Pursell, who participated in the Barker Ranch Raids of Oct 10-12 of 1969.<br /><br />http://murdersofaugust69.freeforums.net/thread/1653/2018-interview-retired-officer-pursell?page=1&scrollTo=19834<br /><br />He makes the surprising claim that the Inyo County Sheriffs Dept basically refused to participate in the Barker Raids, contrary to everything written about that event.<br /><br />IF he is right, I am wondering if the covert operators used any info re the alleged looting of the crash site to hold it over Sheriff Merrill Curtis to compel his cooperation in making sure Charlie wasn't bothered.<br /><br />Certainly it is true that it was the National Park Service, and not the LAPD, LASO, the FBI, or the Inyo County Sheriffs Dept, that lowered the boom on Charlie and Family.starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-19730945708654394752020-01-02T17:19:42.279-05:002020-01-02T17:19:42.279-05:00Panamint Patty said...
"Including him.&quo... Panamint Patty said...<br /> "Including him."<br /><br />Well in that case you need to ask Schrek; I do wish he would accept!starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-79728569470352309672020-01-02T17:18:17.202-05:002020-01-02T17:18:17.202-05:00Carlos said...
"Nothing about it screams hig... Carlos said...<br /> "Nothing about it screams high rollers to me. ... I just don’t buy it."<br /><br />The amount of money does seem wildly exaggerated. I emailed Sanders, so let's see if he responds!starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-12648259562075111652020-01-02T17:09:51.161-05:002020-01-02T17:09:51.161-05:00Including him.Including him.Patty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-87321024348130803562020-01-02T17:01:50.543-05:002020-01-02T17:01:50.543-05:00A debate about Schreck, or including him as a part...A debate about Schreck, or including him as a participant?starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-70868519747319669542020-01-02T15:52:52.992-05:002020-01-02T15:52:52.992-05:00So no takers on a Schreck debate?So no takers on a Schreck debate?Patty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-69205724857973605532020-01-02T14:14:55.638-05:002020-01-02T14:14:55.638-05:00The NTSB investigated the crash and issued a very ...The NTSB investigated the crash and issued a very thorough report. If there was any merit to the claim either pilot was drunk, we’d expect to see it mentioned in the report. We don’t.<br /><br />This was a discount airline taking gamblers to a small Nevada town for a few hours. Nothing about it screams high rollers to me. Look at it another way: to get to the claimed figure of $250,000, the average for each person on board would have to roughly correspond to the US median annual income for the time. I just don’t buy it.Carloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16229053220050517462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-2578252130800604702020-01-02T13:47:47.128-05:002020-01-02T13:47:47.128-05:00Another Manson parrot. . .Another Manson parrot. . .AustinAnn74https://www.blogger.com/profile/06342503212454947554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-70631683813514369482020-01-01T21:12:24.575-05:002020-01-01T21:12:24.575-05:00orwhut said...
"I always thought looting t...orwhut said...<br /> "I always thought looting the plane would have been nearly impossible for the family..."<br /><br />But not for the Inyo County Sheriffs' people, who were on scene by Aug 9, the day after the wreck was discovered by air.<br />starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-87493924779769966792020-01-01T16:44:06.509-05:002020-01-01T16:44:06.509-05:00Starviego,
Thank you. I always thought looting th...Starviego,<br />Thank you. I always thought looting the plane would have been nearly impossible for the family and someone would have blabbed by now.orwhuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14689926449812436866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-3152743830891378512020-01-01T16:14:17.704-05:002020-01-01T16:14:17.704-05:00Yes, this is the one.
From Ed Sanders in his book...Yes, this is the one.<br /><br />From Ed Sanders in his book on Charles Manson<br />titled 'The Family' ( pg142):<br /><br />"Also, on February 18, 1969, a DC-3 "Gamblers' SpeciaL" loaded up with a<br />drunk pilot and thirty-five gamblers crashed into the snows of Mt. Whitney<br />near Bishop, California in a flight from Hawthorne, Nevada to Long Beach,<br />California. According to the tale, the plane remained buried in deep snow<br />until summer when the snow melted. The plane and dead occupants were<br />located but supposedly all valuables and cash had been stripped from the<br />gamblers, booty valued at a quarter of a million dollars or so.<br /><br />"The finger of blame has pointed naturally at Manson and his dune buggy<br />battalion. One defected family says, though it is hard to believe, that<br />pieces of the crashed airplane were used by the family to adorn their dune<br />buggies." <br /><br />-------<br /><br />Though of course the Mansons could not have reached the area--it was far too remote and rugged--and ice cold to boot.starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-63329955466235465192020-01-01T15:39:11.766-05:002020-01-01T15:39:11.766-05:00I seem to remember someone saying Charlie and Comp...I seem to remember someone saying Charlie and Company reached a crashed plane before the authorities and looted the wreckage. Does anyone know if that's the alleged plane.orwhuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14689926449812436866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-4372635104239934432020-01-01T15:22:31.134-05:002020-01-01T15:22:31.134-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.orwhuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14689926449812436866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-33535446070490975682020-01-01T13:28:06.101-05:002020-01-01T13:28:06.101-05:00
It took six months for the wreck to be found--on...<br /><br />It took six months for the wreck to be found--on Aug 8, 1969:<br /><br />https://www.ocregister.com/2011/09/28/facebook-revives-plane-crash-mystery/<br />The next day, on what would have been Patty’s 22nd birthday, Nick heard on the news that The Gambler’s Special had been found. It was all over TV, along with news that pregnant actress Sharon Tate and her house guests had been found stabbed to death in Los Angeles, the first of the Charles Manson “family” murders.<br /><br />OO-ee-OO!starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-40519151284131143852020-01-01T13:22:39.400-05:002020-01-01T13:22:39.400-05:00About the only thing I could find on Sheriff Curti...About the only thing I could find on Sheriff Curtis was this:<br /><br />https://mcindependentnews.com/2019/02/hawthorne-airlines-flight-crashed-50-years-ago-this-week/<br />"The “Gambler’s Flight” would roll rescuer’s snake-eyes when an Air Force helicopter crashed at the wreck scene. Three Army officials as well as two members of Inyo County escaped injury. Inyo County Sheriff Merrill Curtis, cracked a rib and irritated an old back injury and had to be hospitalized."<br /><br />*Refers to crash of Hawthorne Nevada Airlines Douglas DC-3 N15570 Flight 708 en route from Hawthorne, Nevada to Burbank, California. With thirty-five passengers and crew, the plane went down on 2/18/69 near Mt. Whitney in the Sierra Nevadas west of Lone Pine, Inyo County.starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-34153670899687298522020-01-01T13:02:45.543-05:002020-01-01T13:02:45.543-05:00It looks like, between 1954 and 1970, that having ...It looks like, between 1954 and 1970, that having the first name Merrill was a job requirement for Inyo County Sheriff.Gorodishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16554015159612108936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-91759339518581685722020-01-01T11:05:34.827-05:002020-01-01T11:05:34.827-05:00"Merrill L. Curtis (7 Nov 1962- 7 Nov 1970)&q..."Merrill L. Curtis (7 Nov 1962- 7 Nov 1970)"<br /><br />You would think we would have heard that name before!starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-43974672429608818902020-01-01T11:03:09.824-05:002020-01-01T11:03:09.824-05:00Thank you Carlos for that prompt answer to my ques...Thank you Carlos for that prompt answer to my question!!starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-14441834367150059782020-01-01T10:54:47.481-05:002020-01-01T10:54:47.481-05:00Wikipedia has a list, although it cites no sources...Wikipedia has a list, although it cites no sources and is incorrect about the current sheriff.<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inyo_County,_California#County_SheriffsCarloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16229053220050517462noreply@blogger.com