tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post2192849570632098039..comments2024-03-28T23:53:16.262-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Manson follower Leslie Van Houten granted parole in notorious murders; Brown will make final decisionMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger101125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-90695888032111467522017-10-09T12:24:22.782-04:002017-10-09T12:24:22.782-04:00I have read and followed you all for a couple of y...I have read and followed you all for a couple of years. This is my first post so be gentle please. Every time Leslie is up for parole I always read comments left by the public on the MSM's stories. Most people still believe that Sharon's baby was cut from the womb and also believe that LVH was there that night as well. I always try to tell them that LVH was not at the Tate house and the baby was not cut from the womb. I have had people argue with me and tell me I am wrong. There may be 1 or 2 out of 100 comments that believe she should be paroled. Any Governor that would parole her would be judged severely in the court of public opinion. I doubt it would be worth it to them even if they thought she was suitable. I believe she will stay right where she is until she dies from old age. Is it fair? I don't know. I'm just glad its not me who has to make the final decision!pinkhiheelshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18292373301966679209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-74505528412903038752017-09-14T23:53:51.372-04:002017-09-14T23:53:51.372-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Susanatkinsgonorhheahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06345166014895992429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-15476869340171650892017-09-14T23:53:14.896-04:002017-09-14T23:53:14.896-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Susanatkinsgonorhheahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06345166014895992429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-48886651959813593182017-09-10T23:41:18.027-04:002017-09-10T23:41:18.027-04:00It's coming down FAST!!!!! (yeesssss it isss...It's coming down FAST!!!!! (yeesssss it issss)<br />Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10364368677973694451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-82677580852487704282017-09-09T22:12:20.076-04:002017-09-09T22:12:20.076-04:00Grim, if they did they would get the facts right.Grim, if they did they would get the facts right.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-28796952212271301722017-09-09T21:30:21.300-04:002017-09-09T21:30:21.300-04:00JC said...
Ultimately, whatever you or I thin...JC said...<br /><br /> <b>Ultimately, whatever you or I think of her fate is irrelevant</b><br /><br />I reckon Guv'nor Jerry and a few people connected with the case past and present take sneak peeks into this blog.....😀grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-78809146487985107182017-09-09T20:04:34.426-04:002017-09-09T20:04:34.426-04:00Hello dollHello dollPatty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-48824334572229150332017-09-09T19:08:14.840-04:002017-09-09T19:08:14.840-04:00I do get that bud, or maam but the point here is t...I do get that bud, or maam but the point here is to give comments and opinions..<br /><br />And I like to give mine in great detail lol- my apologies if it grated on youAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-26254197115049391582017-09-09T19:03:43.458-04:002017-09-09T19:03:43.458-04:00Ultimately, whatever you or I think of her fate is...Ultimately, whatever you or I think of her fate is irrelevant. One of us seems to realize that.JChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02109631898318588586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-29325286442926871522017-09-09T18:52:48.867-04:002017-09-09T18:52:48.867-04:00Lol. You ask. You get. Well done Lol. You ask. You get. Well done Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-48834143200722580222017-09-09T18:45:26.209-04:002017-09-09T18:45:26.209-04:00St Circumstance said...
Sometimes we got caug... St Circumstance said...<br /><br /> <b>Sometimes we got caught doing things we weren't supposed to with neighbors kids, and they got lesser punishment from there parents than we did from ours</b><br /><br />Ah yes, but your parents weren't responsible for the neighbour's kids and the neighbour's kids parents weren't responsible for you. If say, their Dad was responsible for you all and you all did the same thing but got different punishments, that would not be fair, those that got the worst of it would resent him and find it hard to take him seriously as time went on.<br /><br /><b>We learned that we would pay a price if we broke rules, and that worrying about what happened to anyone else was a waste of time. We were accountable for ourselves</b><br /><br />I completely agree with you. However, that only really makes sense if you're all under the same authority and that is what we have been discussing. Leslie can't complain about being tried and sentenced. She can't complain about having done most of her life in jail. Like I said somewhere earlier, it serves her right ~ and I doubt she'd argue with that. <i>But</i> if you have the sentence she had, taking on board that a possibility of parole does not mean a guarantee of one, if you've been pretty much exemplary for all of that time and you've done everything that 19 boards over 39 years have asked of you, then I think you <i>are</i> entitled to look at other situations of people who did what you did, received the same sentence but walked free having done a quarter of the time you have done. I'd know I should have died for what I did but believe me, if my nation was merciful and gave me a shot at freedom, I'd go for it and I'd point out inconsistencies if I found them.<br /><br /><b>Technically she deserves to go</b><br /><br />It's not about "deserve." There's an aspect of entitlement that comes with the concept of deserving that leaves me cold. <br /><br /><b>Lulu has been treated pretty fairly in my estimation. She got to live</b><br /><br />That was nothing to do with her. And it wasn't granted her through some sympathy towards her.<br /><br /> <b>She got to get an education</b><br /><br />That was a major turnaround for her because that meant walking away from much of where her life had gone circa '68~'73. It turned out to be good for her but it represented a huge admission of defeat on her part. Education for her came through the establishment and was part of deprogramming her from her years in the Family.<br /><br /><b>Leslie got to grow old</b><br /><br />The downside being that possibly the most significant years of her life were spent languishing in jail as a murderer. And she knows it.<br /><br /> <b>Wanna ask Rosemary what was fair?? Oh wait, we cant...</b><br /><br />Nothing that happened to the LaBiancas was fair, we all know that and only a bumfluff would argue it. <br />It is worth remembering that Rosemary's daughter was able to get past the murders, and advocate forgiveness for at least one of the killers {the worst one} and make positive noises about their parole. And the murders had originally caused her to have a breakdown.<br />Can a person ever change from one that commits murder ? I think they can. Changing paths from the wrong one is at the heart of parole which is why the past can't be forgotten but the present has to be embraced.<br /><br /><br /> <b>but how many of the the others got saved by the bell from dying thanks to a court ruling that would shortly be overturned???</b><br /><br />105.<br />grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-46801674825222248632017-09-09T18:31:39.977-04:002017-09-09T18:31:39.977-04:00The labiancas deaths are perpetual
As well....
Bu...The labiancas deaths are perpetual<br />As well....<br /><br />But sorry to bore ya lolAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-78534794419174531322017-09-09T18:23:09.879-04:002017-09-09T18:23:09.879-04:00Lots of virtue signaling in the perpetual outrage ...Lots of virtue signaling in the perpetual outrage at LVH's acts. It is rather tiresome.JChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02109631898318588586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-91162041494808654012017-09-09T16:58:42.455-04:002017-09-09T16:58:42.455-04:00Yeah I know. Technically she deserves to go.
I j...Yeah I know. Technically she deserves to go. <br /><br />I just dont feel too bad she hasn't. But if it's her time so be it...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-75896967884133874012017-09-09T15:48:29.273-04:002017-09-09T15:48:29.273-04:00St Circumstance said...
As soon as Leslie felt... St Circumstance said...<br /><br /> <b>As soon as Leslie felt she was in longer than she was supposed to be she started fighting </b><br /><br />Life with possibility of parole puts the prisoner in an odd situation, particularly if they are genuinely remorseful. Because on the one hand, you don't want to seem like you think you "deserve" to be free. Yet at the same time, you are given something to aim at and are in effect told that if you make good for long enough, there's a chance you will be out.<br /><br /><b>This woman never thought for one minute she would spend her entire life in prison</b><br /><br />And why was that ? Because the sentence she was given stated there would be a possibility that one day she might get out. All a desperate person needs is that chink of light that "possibility of parole" represents.<br /><br /> <b>She has always felt a sense that she was owed freedom at some point</b> <br /><br />Do you think so ?<br />She saw 2 women sentenced to death, like she was. She saw those two women go into the general population of the prison <i>some years before she did.</i> She then saw those two women walk free less than 10 years after being sentenced to death. She had already begun renouncing Charlie. She had begun the process of trying to stitch her life back together. Rather than "owed" I'd say as she moved further and further away from Leslie circa '68-'72 and saw sentenced to death murderers like herself walk free, she would naturally want to one day be out of jail. Wouldn't you ?<br /><br /><b>Faiths Book...came out about 15 to 16 years ago, and back then they were making a huge amount of noise that she had been in way too long. BACK THEN....</b><br /><br />Which only goes to show that many of the concerns people had back then regarding the "Manson case" and the way it's stained his co~defendants have been alive and well for a while.<br /><br /> <b>Criminals and there supporters do not get to decide when enough is enough. If you don't want to go to jail- don't hurt other people. If you do - be prepared to pay for it</b><br /><br />While I can dig the logic of that, it's kind of a moot point isn't it ? Criminals rarely want to go to jail. We used to have a comedy series here called "Porridge" which was a slang term for being in jail and in the blurb at the start, the Judge is talking to the main protagonist of the show and he says to him that prison has become for him "an occupational hazard." That's how many cons view jail. They certainly do here.<br />But all of this misses the point of what's being talked about. If someone else creates a law that you have to live under and they do not administer it fairly, do you not have any recourse simply because you are a jailbird ? How does anything then change ? At what point do those who do not administer <i>their</i> law fairly start to do so ? At what point do the public start to see the upholders of the law as being little different from those that break it ?grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-2897420903308446662017-09-09T14:33:02.303-04:002017-09-09T14:33:02.303-04:00But Grim you can have your opinion about it lol :)...But Grim you can have your opinion about it lol :)<br /><br />Lulu not so much ....Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-3420604285919814222017-09-09T14:31:55.958-04:002017-09-09T14:31:55.958-04:00And Grim- you are absolutely supposed to show remo...And Grim- you are absolutely supposed to show remorse as part pf your parole eligibility. That is a part of it. I have listened to and/or read all of them almost. As soon as Leslie felt she was in longer than she was supposed to be she started fighting. Even filed a suit at one point....<br /><br />This woman never thought for one minute she would spend her entire life in prison. She has always felt a sense that she was owed freedom at some point. The moment she started to sense she was really going to have to pay-the real LULU came out. I mentioned Faiths Book- that book came out about 15 to 16 years ago, and back then they were making a huge amount of noise that she had been in way too long. BACK THEN....<br /><br />I am sorry. This is much like Polanski to me. Criminals and there supporters do not get to decide when enough is enough. If you don't want to go to jail- don't hurt other people. If you do - be prepared to pay for it. Killing people is not shopping at the mall for pants where one size fits all. If you don't want trouble- don't ask for it.<br /><br />And for goodness sakes... when you request to go along on a trip to torture people and write in their blood, and then laugh at their children...<br /><br />You don't get to say whats fair when it comes time to pay for that...<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-13673981433900631442017-09-09T14:23:27.548-04:002017-09-09T14:23:27.548-04:00Grim- Fairly compared to what??
My parents had ...Grim- Fairly compared to what?? <br /><br />My parents had two kids - my brother and I. And when we did something wrong we got punished. Sometimes we got caught doing things we weren't supposed to with neighbors kids, and they got lesser punishment from there parents than we did from ours, and my dad told us the same thing every time. " I am not worried about what happens to them- I care about you" We learned that we would pay a price of we broke rules, and that worrying about what happened to anyone else was a waste of time. We were accountable for ourselves.<br /><br />It was a great lesson to learn I think.<br /><br />Lulu has been treated pretty fairly in my estimation. She got to live. She got to get an education, she got to have sex ( albeit prison sex)- Tex got to have kids for christ sakes, Lulu has a network of friends and visitors, Lulu got out for awhile and got to go to the beach, and have a job. Leslie has had a chance to have many accomplishments and made many famous friends even. Grim- you read Faiths book- you know all about this. Leslie got to grow old....<br /><br />Wanna ask Rosemary what was fair?? Oh wait, we cant...<br /><br />Fair? Are you sure that was the word you wanted to use lol?? She may not have been treated like others with similar sentences, but how many of the the others got saved by the bell from dying thanks to a court ruling that would shortly be overturned??? <br /><br />If I stop responding Grim its not out of disrespect- its cause the power went out ;)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-15983773193709342422017-09-09T13:58:00.683-04:002017-09-09T13:58:00.683-04:00St Circumstance said...
There are two differe... St Circumstance said...<br /><br /> <b>There are two differences between Lulu and The Manson murderers and the case Deb brings up as well as most others.<br /><br /> First the way Lulu and others acted at the trial and post trial. They went from laughing at their crimes to arguing they were treated unfairly with very little time for being truly remorseful in between</b><br /><br />I'm not sure where you get the remorse bit from. But to back up a bit ~ yes they were laughing and singing at their trial but they had also pleaded 'not guilty.'<br />Secondly, can anyone, and I mean <i>anyone</i> honestly argue that Leslie has been treated fairly ? Even if you hate her guts and think she should have been put to death, she did not then and does not now make the laws. When the original death sentence was commuted, Leslie says that this was the start of her troubles because she now had a lifetime to face what she did. She was actually content to go along with the death sentence. It's not her doing that it didn't happen ! People often go on about it as though it was.<br />Furthermore, there were two women in the wing of her prison awaiting a death sentence for murders every bit as brutal as Leslie's. That there wasn't a race war "domestic terrorism" element involved is irrelevant, life was taken, in both cases for selfish reasons and in callous manner. Yet in both cases, both women were eventually paroled. Each served <i>less than 10 years</i>. She's been inside nearly 3 times longer than the two of them put together ~ women originally sentenced to death for murder. If you had 2 kids and they were naughty and had done the same thing and you sent them to their rooms and you let one out after two days but left the other in there for 10 days, even as kids they would say "that's not fair."<br />So even if you hate LVH, even if she was a heartless murderer, can it be denied that she is not being given equal treatment under the law, a law that she did not make but nonetheless lives under ? And is it wrong if she points this out ? If laws are used wrongly/unfairly by the authorities against people who themselves have transgressed those laws, should everyone just shurrup because the transgressor is merely that ? Or should we remember that they are human beings and erring dreadfully doesn't strip them of that ?<br />Back to remorse for a moment, why does pointing out the unfairness of a law that you are required to obey invalidate any remorse you have shown ? That doesn't come across in Leslie's parole hearing transcript. It has to be stressed over and over that it's not Leslie '69 or '70 that is being judged but Leslie 2017.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-69081046567667945252017-09-09T10:16:12.031-04:002017-09-09T10:16:12.031-04:00I would be shocked if Governor Brown doesn't r...I would be shocked if Governor Brown doesn't reverse. <br />He reversed Bruce Davis. Jerry Brown and Linda Ronstadt had a high profile relationship in the 1970s. Ronstadt met LVH in Venice Beach in between her two trials (spent the day with her, as you do) and wrote about it in her bio. Ronstadt pieced together who exactly LVH was after a short time. She almost certainly must have told Jerry. No freaking way does he let her out.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05686990073162868222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-73591717276327615102017-09-09T10:00:04.098-04:002017-09-09T10:00:04.098-04:00This really will have to be my last comment lol bu...This really will have to be my last comment lol but this may be Lulus last best chance as well because before her next hearing I think the Tarantino movie might come out and once a high profile major movie brings Manson back into public conscious- it will be even harder to make people forget what those monsters did....<br /><br />Have a great weekend. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-6702434073070890822017-09-09T09:54:25.315-04:002017-09-09T09:54:25.315-04:00There are two differences between Lulu and The Man...There are two differences between Lulu and The Manson murderers and the case Deb brings up as well as most others. <br /><br />First the way Lulu and others acted at the trial and post trial. They went from laughing at their crimes to arguing they were treated unfairly with very little time for being truely remorseful in between. No matter what the guidelines were or are- showing remorse has always been a requirement. Does anyone think Lulu or the others feel worse for their victims families as they do for themselves? Pat once said as much she felt she hurt herself more than anyone else. <br /><br />Second - fair or not- the notoriety. Governors get very few slam dunks to show the voting public they are tough on vicious killers. That's the way the public perceives the Manson Family. All those other crimes may be as violent but they are not as known. <br /><br />It may not be fair but I honestly feel those are the two things that separate this case from others like it. I mean you can do all kinds of vicious things and make excuses for it. But when you sing and dance around and make jokes about what they did - people aren't going to forget....<br /><br />I think that's the one thing none of them counted on. I really do. They were getting raiddd and busted and released so often I'm not sure that some of them realized how really big of a deal what they did would be. I I keep going back to Lulu in that TV piece where she is smiling while telling her interviewer how long she would serve according to matrix. I don't believe they understood them or now just what affect what they did had. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-36688006528995285992017-09-09T06:54:41.040-04:002017-09-09T06:54:41.040-04:00DebS said...
Stevens crimes were every bit as hein...<i>DebS said...<br />Stevens crimes were every bit as heinous as Leslie's. Unless justice can be meted out equally we will be here at the blog batting this question of parole back and forth for eternity.</i><br /><br /><b>THAT hit it right on the head. I'm not some sympathizer who wants them all released, I'm just incensed that the parole boards and Governors have treated equal people unequally.</b><br /><br /><br />Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-77272544634129931122017-09-09T01:13:48.547-04:002017-09-09T01:13:48.547-04:00DebS said: " Stevens crimes were every bit as...DebS said: " Stevens crimes were every bit as heinous as Leslie's. "<br /><br />To me Steven's crimes were way, way worse than LVH's. I mean I'm not convinced that LVH technically killed anyone. She's done 48 years and counting for stabbing a dead person in the lower back and as far as I know that's all. Not a nice thing but way far apart from Atkins, Krenwinkle and Watson.<br /><br />D. Jones said: " Will her release open the doors for the other three to be released? Charlie, Tex, and Pat? "<br /><br />No way for Charlie and I think he agrees he's now better off where he's at. Highly unlikely for Tex and Pat too although I personally think Pat has also done enough time and rehabilitated herself. If Charlie died tomorrow would Tex get parole soon ? Flip a coin but I'd say not. Now LVH's release 'may' have a bearing on Davis' chances. I don't think the Guv is gonna let Beausoleil go.<br />Robert Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11931071604173368606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-27282352157101980632017-09-09T00:18:42.536-04:002017-09-09T00:18:42.536-04:00Hi, Patty! Hi, Patty! AustinAnn74https://www.blogger.com/profile/06342503212454947554noreply@blogger.com