tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post2719983256800634591..comments2024-03-18T15:40:57.986-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Parole Denied for LeslieMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-9218684816255478532013-06-11T23:56:00.509-04:002013-06-11T23:56:00.509-04:00I think life on the outside would be far more diff...I think life on the outside would be far more difficult after that many years in prison.She has done her time I feel she was young involved with a gang of criminals and I believe she is truly sorry.dawnnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04575732399499776165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-13546312776706685532013-06-08T21:41:02.578-04:002013-06-08T21:41:02.578-04:00OK who's up next to get their parole request d...OK who's up next to get their parole request denied....3:)richko62https://www.blogger.com/profile/10600011780062094296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-36628263038272419612013-06-08T09:32:36.641-04:002013-06-08T09:32:36.641-04:00They have these hearings because they are legally ...They have these hearings because they are legally entitled to have them. The parole board would obliviously never say anything like that because if they did, Leslie or whoever would file a writ of habeas corpus.<br /><br />Debra has read statements for Angela Smaldino in the past when she was unable to attend. I assume that was similarly the case the other day. Victims next of kin are legally entitled to have representatives at the hearings.<br />CieloDrive.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03772677089227025942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-16673796155200610262013-06-07T21:11:37.190-04:002013-06-07T21:11:37.190-04:00I gotta agree with Adam here.
It's not so muc...I gotta agree with Adam here.<br /><br />It's not so much wether we think LULU should be paroled or not, as it is the question of why we even bother with the pretense of these hearings in the first place!<br /><br />By now it should be obvious that none of the TLB killers will ever leave prison (except maybe in a pine box). Yet every few years we bring em before a parole board and dangle the ol freedom carrot before em only to yank it away for a few more years. <br /><br />Why?<br /><br />Maybe it's a way of making them payback for the way they mocked the victims families. A lil extra punishment to fit the crime as it were.<br /><br />All I know is they're wastin my damn tax dollars with this s%#t when I can think of way better ways to spend it!!<br />lurchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13117542708565859578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-12590479351518663202013-06-07T18:38:44.737-04:002013-06-07T18:38:44.737-04:00I read at one of the links to a story on Leslie...I read at one of the links to a story on Leslie's denial that Debra Tate and Barbara Hoyt were there to speak on behalf of the victim witnesses. Hoyt was quoted in one of the stories.<br /><br />Tell me, how do Debra and Barbara get to speak at Leslie's hearing? Leslie was not at the Tate residence the night of those murders.DebShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093893870315262396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-23434977882559295772013-06-07T15:01:59.414-04:002013-06-07T15:01:59.414-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01933298225285078484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-54544175992658184252013-06-07T15:01:20.065-04:002013-06-07T15:01:20.065-04:00Oh yes, and Leslie looks like shit.Oh yes, and Leslie looks like shit.adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01933298225285078484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-90623172780510341762013-06-07T15:00:52.263-04:002013-06-07T15:00:52.263-04:00I just wish someone from the parole board would st...I just wish someone from the parole board would stand up at one of these hearings and have the balls to say "You are never getting out. It has fuck all to do with you failing to explain your past actions, it is because you will forever be linked to the name Charles Manson and the Governor of this State knows he will lose votes if he allows you to go free due to the continuing media interest in Manson".<br /><br />Let's just call a spade a spade here. I'm not boo-hooing for Leslie here, she's made her bed. Just stop the stupid fucking pretence every few years of dangling a carrot in front of these people's nose's and then claiming their parole has been denied in the name of 'justice'. adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01933298225285078484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-76362182292279591292013-06-07T07:39:00.482-04:002013-06-07T07:39:00.482-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09810383954112160733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-61424031488353530142013-06-06T21:47:57.661-04:002013-06-06T21:47:57.661-04:00This is a group effort, after all. :)This is a group effort, after all. :)Patty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-26922810673761933032013-06-06T19:49:00.053-04:002013-06-06T19:49:00.053-04:00Way to go, farf. Patty loves your voice of reason....Way to go, farf. Patty loves your voice of reason. Sometimes we all remember "facts" that can't be found later on...kudos to you for trying to straighten things out.Patty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-52767407650425890212013-06-06T19:13:29.066-04:002013-06-06T19:13:29.066-04:00Perhaps it’s simply a “force of will” I’m missing ...Perhaps it’s simply a “force of will” I’m missing on the subject, because I can’t find any data points to back up what is being stated as fact.<br /><br />According to the California Department of Corrections, there were a total of 107 inmates who had their death sentences commuted to life in 1972 (with parole as there was NO other option at the time). Of the 107, there are/were seven who are Mansonites, including Manson himself, leaving a balance of 100 others. I personally don’t consider this a large sample pool or representing many, many others. But they were all eligible for parole hearings and 42 of them actually received walking papers spread across some span of time (unknown to me). So far, most people were not granted parole and remained in the joint, but why? Fame or unfairness?<br /><br />Of the 42 released, a dirty dozen re-offended in another form of felony, or 29% had to commit another crime, after being released from DEATH row. Not a good batting average for the parole board here, or perhaps a one in three chance of becoming a victim of crime from some known behaviors is an acceptable risk to some (not me). Could there be more?<br /><br />Of the dirty dozen released, two of them went on and committed another murder, with one of the peckerwoods getting executed in 2001. How ironic. Few people consider fairness in relation to the victim, who was killed by a person paroled from death row. Not unfair, just obtuse and nearsighted. <br /><br />But that’s roughly a five percent chance that a death row parolee will murder again when released. Again I find little or no comfort in this particular statistic. Yet 41 years later and you can still find 34 of the original 107 still serving time in a California prison. I don’t see this significant trend towards release or some massive population who are free and “done much worse”. By 1977 the state had introduced LWOP and there is no parole for those people who commit murder with special circumstances, so how could they be released? They aren’t. <br /><br />It was during this time period that California typically paroled those convicted of second degree murder in some stupid amount of time akin to five or seven years, and that raised the public’s hackles. Getting fed up with the perceived crime wave, a proposition was passed which allowed the governor to reverse parole recommendations, for murderers only. Hard time, LWOP, and death sentences were still treated the same which means no parole hearings.<br /><br />So I simply can’t find a list of monsters who ‘did worse’ and were released after a few years in a California clink. Not that I would ever consider using worse behavior, as a rationalization to permit bad behavior. At present the average time served for a life sentence is 31 years (according to CDCR). Until last year, the mandated minimum for the Three Strikes Law was 25 years, and yes, that included the crime of shoplifting. My suggestion, don’t shoplift in California, three times. Twice max, twice then move somewhere else… like Saudi Arabia. <br /><br />From the 1972 Death Row experience, there appears to be a small data set rather than some systemic process which freed killers, and when there has been a perception of a revolving door, some draconian changes were made within a year or two (LWOP, Three Strikes, RSO, Prop 89, Coalinga State ‘Hospital’). If there is a dataset which indicates otherwise, I’m all eyes, but at present I can’t find what appears to be common knowledge. Oh well.Farflunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17723130825592879022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-8533985901097339912013-06-06T18:20:34.291-04:002013-06-06T18:20:34.291-04:00Hippichic its good to see you and I promise this i...Hippichic its good to see you and I promise this is my very last word on this subject....<br /><br />Unfair???<br /><br />that is something I hear very often about the parole situation.<br /><br />This isn't directed any anyone in particular so please no offense- I am just trying to make a point.<br /><br />When we are young children and we do something wrong and get grounded what are we told when the kid next door who did the same thing with us gets out of punishment earlier than we do???<br /><br />lol Get my point????<br /> <br />Lulu knew that her friends did something unspeakable and the next night she asked to join them. She broke into a women's house while she was in a nightgown and helped tie her up. Then she made the woman listen while her husband was killed. She then helped hold her while she was stabbed to death. Then she mutilated the dead body. then she watched while her friend write in blood on the women's wall. Then she went in her kitchen and had something to eat. Then to add insult to injury- She laughed about it in front of the women's grieving family...<br /><br />I don't know that it gets any more heinous than that no matter what the Saint of Circumstances...<br /><br />So I ask my last question and leave it up to others to answer.<br /><br />This women did all that and was originally sentenced to Die. She did not. She actually got out for awhile and had a vacation. She got to communicate with her parents until the passed. she got to marry and have sex with a man. she got visits from John Waters and has a huge group of people who support her and send her things to make her life better. she has the chance to be involved with other people and have relationships and mentor and tutor.<br /><br />Hasn't life been fair enough to Leslie Van Houten?St. Circumstancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15415891591944887206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-56647903891451305212013-06-06T16:32:42.501-04:002013-06-06T16:32:42.501-04:00Exactly the point, Hippi. Thank you. AND WHERE THE...Exactly the point, Hippi. Thank you. AND WHERE THE HELL HAVE YOU BEEN????Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-78613215021514628522013-06-06T16:29:32.512-04:002013-06-06T16:29:32.512-04:00The parole commissioner said Lulu "failed to ...The parole commissioner said Lulu "failed to explain" how someone as intelligent and well-bred could have committed the murders, and was therefore denied parole. Kind of insincere, don't you think? Exactly what kind of "explanation" would satisfy? None, of course. Yes, these were heinous crimes, yes, she taunted the victims' families, yes, she was without remorse. But as Matt has pointed out, were it not for her association with Manson, she'd have been paroled years ago. That infamous association is the ONLY thing still keeping Lulu behind bars -- not her failure to fully "explain" her actions, not the brutal nature of her crimes, not the anguish of the families, not her alleged lack of remorse. That's a fact, and regardless of how you feel about Lulu, you have to admit it's a bit unfair.hippichick40https://www.blogger.com/profile/11802277780481403871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-21372691956962404242013-06-06T16:26:11.074-04:002013-06-06T16:26:11.074-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.hippichick40https://www.blogger.com/profile/11802277780481403871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-42754835619117552962013-06-06T14:58:10.142-04:002013-06-06T14:58:10.142-04:00Very well said, Matt.Very well said, Matt.Max Frosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06931165830559683001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-82034355724979026812013-06-06T14:46:26.827-04:002013-06-06T14:46:26.827-04:00That's the bottom line really: the parole boar...That's the bottom line really: the parole board always concludes by saying the inmate was denied because they pose an unreasonable risk to society, etc. - which Leslie obviously ISN'T.<br /><br />They should just tell her "You've been denied because, as you know 'Lulu' you're just too damn famous."Max Frosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06931165830559683001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-72102088619765721072013-06-06T13:51:47.221-04:002013-06-06T13:51:47.221-04:00My goodness she has not aged well at all. She was ...My goodness she has not aged well at all. She was once a fairly beautiful girl. I do not think Leslie would be a danger to society if released. I think that no matter what she says to the parole board, it will never be good enough.Donnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03934861084600080259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-53791630639728950362013-06-06T13:43:17.039-04:002013-06-06T13:43:17.039-04:00California law regarding ‘Special Circumstances’.
...California law regarding ‘Special Circumstances’.<br /><br />190.2. (a) The penalty for a defendant who is found guilty of<br />murder in the first degree is death or imprisonment in the state<br />prison for life without the possibility of parole if one or more of<br />the following special circumstances has been found under Section 190.4 to be true: <br /><br />(Edited to only include applicable violations)<br /><br />“The murder was intentional and carried out for financial gain.”<br /><br />“The murder was especially heinous, atrocious, or cruel,<br />manifesting exceptional depravity. As used in this section, the<br />phrase "especially heinous, atrocious, or cruel, manifesting<br />exceptional depravity" means a conscienceless or pitiless crime that is unnecessarily torturous to the victim.”<br /><br />“The victim was intentionally killed because of his or her<br />race, color, religion, nationality, or country of origin.”<br /><br />“The murder was committed while the defendant was engaged in,or was an accomplice in, the commission of, attempted commission of,or the immediate flight after committing, or attempting to commit,the following felonies:<br /> (A) Robbery in violation of Section 211 or 212.5.<br /> (G) Burglary in the first or second degree in violation of Section 460.<br /> (J) Mayhem in violation of Section 203.”<br /><br />“The murder was intentional and involved the infliction of torture.”<br /><br />Obviously contemporary law, for first degree murder, with the addition of one of the five special circumstances listed (which were committed against the La Biancas), would result in either a sentence of death, or life without the possibility of parole (LWOP). <br /><br />It would appear that Leslie getting any parole hearings is a privilege, which any other person, at a later time, would not have experienced. She and a few others have managed to pass through some very fortunate and exceptionally rare filters, to arrive at their present stations of life. It would appear by the parlance of Jeffery Ferguson calling the murders “cruel and atrocious”, as dovetailing quite well into the second special circumstance listed, and may be a harbinger of what to expect in five years.Farflunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17723130825592879022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-78542975497433513022013-06-06T13:23:32.302-04:002013-06-06T13:23:32.302-04:00P.S.- I also agree with Cielo lol
5 years for lul...P.S.- I also agree with Cielo lol<br /><br />5 years for lulu???<br /><br />not too long ago she was getting a one year denial with the words " so your getting close" from the board...<br /><br />Even I thought they would show some love for her post conviction record which is pretty impressive...<br />St. Circumstancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15415891591944887206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-16798195229297437372013-06-06T13:21:31.423-04:002013-06-06T13:21:31.423-04:00I agree with Austin Ann for agreeing with me!!
I ...I agree with Austin Ann for agreeing with me!!<br /><br />I agree partially with Suze and Matt for partially agreeing with me<br /><br />I agree with Liz this is the first time I ever had to do a double take when viewing a pic of Leslie- wow she has changes since the last hearing!<br /><br />I agree with orwhut- whats not to agree with?<br /><br />I agree with Max- I should probably not gloat or take it so personally.<br /><br />I had my say both before and after the hearing. Now I will move on...<br /><br />until the next one ;)St. Circumstancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15415891591944887206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-32724641619429182912013-06-06T12:03:54.472-04:002013-06-06T12:03:54.472-04:00There appears to be some confusion regarding Calif...There appears to be some confusion regarding California’s two tier sentencing system, indeterminate prison sentences, and the powers granted to the governor via Proposition 89 (1988).<br /><br />It you manage to commit a crime that lands you on death row or with life without the possibility of parole; then you stay in the clink. No parole for you! No parole hearings either.<br /><br />If you get sentenced to eight years for your crime, then after eight years you are released. Again no parole hearings since you served what is called ‘hard time’ (the full sentence) and you are paroled (released). No need to talk about the way you were diapered which made you do the crime, or say you are sorry because you are going to be released back into polite society. So who’s left?<br /><br />People with an indeterminate sentence for whatever reasons are those who could be considered for future release via a parole board hearing. Remember pseudo Manson associate Michael Monfort? He was given one of those sentences in the form of 878 years, with parole being possible after serving 750 years. This was for a string of armed robberies which did NOT include murder. But the governor would have rejected his bid for parole anyway because that’s what is going on for the most part…. right?<br /><br />Nope. Monfort avoided the governor’s reversal powers because Monfort’s crimes did NOT include murder, and the crime of murder is a prerequisite for Prop 89 to kick in. So well played Mr. Monfort, well played indeed, you really stuck it to ‘the man’ and are still eligible for parole hearings if not for the slight handicap of being dead. Between 2000 and 2010 there were 674 prisoners released on parole in California, with 775 in that same period, dropping dead in the slammer (according to the CDCR). So even in California the odds are greater that you will die in prison, if you have been given an indeterminate sentence for murder. I’m not so sure about those with multi century sentences, but at least they have hope on their side.Farflunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17723130825592879022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-65493181572833906632013-06-06T10:49:45.241-04:002013-06-06T10:49:45.241-04:00Damn she got old on us.
I didn't even recogniz...Damn she got old on us.<br />I didn't even recognize her.<br />evilizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07666335721618878816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-73954660797193276192013-06-06T10:00:20.633-04:002013-06-06T10:00:20.633-04:00I agree with Saint. I agree with Saint. AustinAnn74https://www.blogger.com/profile/06342503212454947554noreply@blogger.com