tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post2836833157747447781..comments2024-03-28T23:53:16.262-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Surf’s Up: Terry Melcher’s Nightmare Is OverMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-4447314630595920802018-09-08T00:37:16.195-04:002018-09-08T00:37:16.195-04:00EXCELLENT post....you hit on every point with soli...EXCELLENT post....you hit on every point with solid substantiation! I’m with ya 100%!👍Benboshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08417734242730748273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-31674036679498955992017-07-12T04:34:30.647-04:002017-07-12T04:34:30.647-04:00Mark Lindsay, of Paul Revere and the Raiders, talk...Mark Lindsay, of Paul Revere and the Raiders, talks a little about meeting Charlie in Terry Melcher's house.<br /><br />http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/entertainment/music/sd-et-varga-mark-lindsay-20170705-story.html<br /><br />In 1968, he shared a home with Terry Melcher, who was the son of Doris Day and produced numerous recordings for Paul Revere & The Raiders, The Byrds and other bands. Melcher was also friends with Beach Boys’ drummer Dennis Wilson, who introduced the producer to an aspiring young singer-songwriter named Charles Manson.<br /><br />“I met Manson a couple of times,” Lindsay said.<br /><br />“I came home from tour, walked in the house and Terry, Dennis and some attorneys were having a meeting. I didn’t want to interrupt it, so I went to the kitchen. And there was this guy, siting on floor, with his back against the refrigerator, with a very pissed-off look. I wanted to get a drink out of the fridge, so I said: ‘Excuse me.’ And he would not budge.<br /><br />“So I went in the living room where the meeting was, and asked: ‘What’s wrong with that guy in the kitchen?’ They said: ‘Oh, that’s Charlie — he’s OK.’ He was Charlie, but he wasn’t OK.’ Dennis thought he had talent, and brought him to Terry to get him a record deal. After a few meetings, Terry realized the guy wasn’t working with a full deck.<br /><br />“Shortly after that, Terry and Candace Bergen were having a big affair. I didn’t want to interfere with their affair, so I said: ‘You guys take this house and I’ll find another place.’ And I left. As fate would have it, Terry and Candy had a giant fight. She went back to New York and he leased it to Roman Polanski and Sharon Tate. You know the rest of the story.”JWDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01458047676962096300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-5460423341982602052017-06-08T00:04:35.864-04:002017-06-08T00:04:35.864-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Dave1971https://www.blogger.com/profile/03875850144566517844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-9868890895344839792017-06-08T00:02:00.733-04:002017-06-08T00:02:00.733-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Dave1971https://www.blogger.com/profile/03875850144566517844noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-91413860209708468422017-06-04T22:58:17.176-04:002017-06-04T22:58:17.176-04:00Thanks for that info. Here is what The Family had...<br />Thanks for that info. Here is what <b>The Family</b> had to say about it:<br /><br />Sanders, pg191-4<br />On June 3, 1969, Charlie tried to put out a contract on somebody's life.<br />On June 3, 1969, Terry Melcher and Gregg Jacobson again visited the Spahn Ranch. ...<br />As he(Sunshine Pierce) left the kitchen to return to the truck, he saw Melcher, the starlet, Gregg and Manson standing by the couch on the boardwalk. They were arguing and Charlie was cursing and yelling at them...<br />About thirty minutes after Pierce had overheard the argument, Manson himself came to join him at the trailer. .... Charlie asked him if he was interested in helping him pull off a job. ... It was murder. Charlie revealed that he wanted Sunshine to help him kill someone....<br />"He said that he had one person in particular he wanted me to help him kill and he said that there might have to be some other people killed."<br /><br /><br />Was Charlie serious about killing Melcher? Sure sounds like it. But why not target him at his Malibu residence on the night of Aug 8 or 9?<br /><br />Or was this just a test to see who would do the dirty deeds for Charlie later on. He was OBVIOUSLY planning Helter Skelter already in the beginning of June.starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-91809240428004298022017-06-04T14:43:53.014-04:002017-06-04T14:43:53.014-04:00starviego said...
Here is some additional info f... starviego said...<br /><br /><br /><b>Here is some additional info from Charlie's interview with Rolling Stone magazine of December 5th, 2013:</b><br /><br />Rolling Stone were always pretty up to the mark in trying to convey current events. From the infamous 25/6/70 edition that ran a 25 page special on Charlie {partly arguing that pre~trial publicity was ensuring he'd never get a fair trial}, the murders and the forthcoming trial comes this interesting snippet from Aaron Stovitz, under the pseudonym of Porfiry:<br /><i>"There was another kid from Texas living at the ranch at the same time, and one day after he'd been there about a month, Manson said to him, 'That Melcher, he thinks he's pretty hot shit, but he isn't worth a damn. I can kill him just like that. In fact, it would be better if you did it. I'll give you $5,000 and a three wheel motorcycle and you leave the ranch right after you do it. Will you do it?' And the kid says, 'Let me think about it.'<br />A couple of days later he says 'Have you thought about it?' The kid says, 'Are you serious?' He says, 'Yes, I'm serious.' The kid says, 'All right, I'll do it.' Manson says, 'Fine, meet me at such and such a time.'<br />Well, this kid, his mind wasn't blown or anything, he had used LSD and marijuana. But he immediately called his mother. He says, 'Mom, wire me money, I'm coming home.' He knew that he was up to his ears in something he just couldn't get out of.<br />Manson always had a funny way of testing people.</i>"<br /><br />Whether the story has any merit or not, I couldn't say. It does later appear in Ed Sanders' book. What's interesting is that, like the copycat motive, it comes from Stovitz first in this interview, before being repeated elsewhere. It may be one of those Brooks Poston "kill the Sheriff of Shoshone" type tests/stories that could mean anything, something or nothing. Poston at least was prepared to back up his story on a number of occasions {to the extent that Charlie had to reply to it in court} whereas this "kid from Texas" never did which tends to throw much doubt on its veracity.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-73938430729012437802017-06-03T11:15:30.081-04:002017-06-03T11:15:30.081-04:00'Go ( went) by'''Go ( went) by''Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-60429395238632459852017-06-03T11:14:23.713-04:002017-06-03T11:14:23.713-04:00But Starviego, the potential record contract we kn...But Starviego, the potential record contract we know about at the time is from Wilson and Desper, not Melcher or Jakobson. Won a house in a card game, right, that sat around playing Texas Hold 'em. And Watson et al just happened to 'go (went) Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-48338517799878179972017-06-03T01:05:58.896-04:002017-06-03T01:05:58.896-04:00Here is some additional info from Charlie's in...<br />Here is some additional info from Charlie's interview with Rolling Stone magazine of December 5th, 2013:<br /><br />http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/charles-manson-today-the-final-confessions-of-a-psychopath-20131121<br /><br />"And so off Tex and the girls went, ending up at the house on Cielo Drive that had once been rented to record producer Melcher, who'd come out to the ranch a few times, heard Manson's music, and apparently decided Manson wasn't a talent worth pursuing. Although Manson himself told everyone that a recording contract was imminent.<br /><br />"Yeah, it was Terry Melcher's house, and he lied to everybody at the ranch, said he was gonna do stuff he didn't do. He got their hopes up, you dig? Terry was a spoiled brat that had seven automobiles and didn't have nothing to worry about. I'd cheated him in a card game and won a house. It was part card game, part con, all devil, heh heh. But I won it. He owed me. So, Terry Melcher was part of it. He did a lot of things that wasn't right. But <b>, no one was mad at Terry Melcher</b>, . Not really. He was just in somebody's mind, and when they went by there, it was a familiar place, and they went into a familiar place. ..."<br /><br />Though, as Charlie says in the same interview, "you have to tell them(the parole board) what they want to hear."<br />starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-54570574659764319452017-06-01T21:48:00.237-04:002017-06-01T21:48:00.237-04:00I can't think of a Beach Boys car song that I ...I can't think of a Beach Boys car song that I like as well as Hey Little Cobra, by Melcher' s group the Rip Chords.<br /><br />orwhuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14689926449812436866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-34553909564436076262017-06-01T20:12:03.157-04:002017-06-01T20:12:03.157-04:00It's a shame that the poor guy is relegated to...It's a shame that the poor guy is relegated to the status of a Hollywood brat or a footnote to the Manson saga. People today are still trying to replicate his production of the Byrd, and the Raiders singles are tough little rocking works.<br />He was an underrated and very talented man.JChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02109631898318588586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-7352024434696800722017-05-31T22:28:08.587-04:002017-05-31T22:28:08.587-04:00Cielo,
Thanks. The question about The Beach Boys ...Cielo,<br /><br />Thanks. The question about The Beach Boys to Texas part is.... The Beach Boys didn't go to Texas in that timeframe. Which raises the question 'why did Manson want to go to Texas?' <br /><br />Which has always made me think of his 'plans' for family members' parents. Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-39676747694640894132017-05-31T17:38:07.985-04:002017-05-31T17:38:07.985-04:00"Subject claimed that he had also been gold p..."Subject claimed that he had also been gold prospecting in the Death Valley area, and by good fortune had discovered a vein of gold bearing ore in one of the mountains..."<br /><br />Ahhhhh! The Lost Manson Gold Mine! A legend is born...starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-29377497253302789492017-05-31T16:40:53.979-04:002017-05-31T16:40:53.979-04:00From an internal probation office letter dated 12/...From an internal probation office letter dated 12/17/68...<br /><br />Dear Mr. Wahl, <br /> <br />We would like to review our courtesy supervision of subject and bring you up to date on his situation. <br /> <br />Last July 1968, Manson thought it best for everyone to move from the home of Dennis Wilson in the Pacific Palisades area, so he located himself at Spahn's Movie Ranch situated between Chatsworth and Santa Susana. At one time the ranch was used frequently as a location for western movies, and presently it is used in stabling horses. There is a considerable number of livestock at the ranch now. We visited Manson there on 10-3-68, and found him dressed in western clothes and performing well in his role as a cowboy. He claimed that the setting provided him with enough activity to do something worthwhile, and that he was distant enough from any negative influence. <br /> <br />On November 5, 1968, Manson called our office requesting that he be permitted to leave Spahn's Movie Ranch as he had en opportunity to locate himself on another ranch known as Meyers Ranch about twenty miles east of Trona, California. Manson claimed that he was getting bored at Spahn's Ranch and that Meyers Ranch would be a good change. He was anxious to continue with ranch life as a means of not taking on too much responsibility and thought in that respect it would be simple for him to stay out of trouble. Manson also claimed that Dennis Wilson was giving him advances to pay his expenses which would be deducted from any royalties due Manson when two of his songs are released on the next Beach Boys record album. We decided to allow subject to change his residence. <br /> <br />Subject last personally reported to our office on 12-5-68 advising that he was still staying at the Meyers Ranch and that he had to be in Los Angeles on business that date for a talk with Dennis Wilson. Subject claimed that his two songs were being released and that he had $5000 coming from one song and that he was to make a personal settlement with Wilson on the balance due him from the other song. Subject claimed that he had also been gold prospecting in the Death Valley area, and by good fortune had discovered a vein of gold bearing ore in one of the mountains at a high altitude. Manson stated that he and two other prospectors had already filed a claim on this mine. <br /> <br />Subject has submitted his monthly reports to our office regularly and otherwise has kept us informed of any changes effecting him. He is courteous and polite with us, and would like to remain in our district. There have been no further negative reports about subject and it may be that subject will continue to improve in his conduct while in our district. We, therefore, would be willing to accept a transfer of supervision if you so desire. <br /> <br />Very truly yours,<br />Angus D. McEachen<br />Chief U.S. Probation Officercielodrivecomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03535091266830414644noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-87160209876156668972017-05-31T16:26:42.980-04:002017-05-31T16:26:42.980-04:00Melcher visited Spahn in May of '69
On May 22...Melcher visited Spahn in May of '69<br /><br />On May 22, 69, Manson sent a letter to his probation officer requesting permission to travel to Texas to perform with the Beach Boys for two weeks. <br /><br />On May 27th, he informed his probation officer that he didn't go to Texas because the group left without him. <br /><br />Also, on his supervision report for that month, Manson listed Greg Jacobsen as his employer and stated his job was "caretaker + songwriter" and that he had earned $500 for a music gig. <br /><br />CieloDrive.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03772677089227025942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-62403167874907956052017-05-31T15:16:14.938-04:002017-05-31T15:16:14.938-04:00David said...
as the evidence strongly suggests t... David said...<br /><br /><b>as the evidence strongly suggests there were no promises, there was no on going connection and the revenge motive is crap</b><br /><br />Interestingly, there was no revenge motive put forth at the trial. Helter skelter, passion for death {"Charlie's trip was violent death," "There was Manson's hatred, his hatred for human beings, and his passion and lust for their violent death"} and hatred of the establishment {"Another motive was Manson's extreme anti~establishment hatred. Unquestionably, on both nights, Charles Manson was viciously striking out at the establishment; and with respect to the Tate residence particularly, the establishment's rejection and repudiation of him."} were the motives put forth for Manson, "Charlie told us to" was the motive put forth for the others.<br />Wild.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-57300071399881451292017-05-31T15:13:19.197-04:002017-05-31T15:13:19.197-04:00Melcher was a candy ass mama's boy. Manson sho...Melcher was a candy ass mama's boy. Manson should have whipped his ass.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11155321496694081026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-54761797191672276042017-05-31T13:05:36.889-04:002017-05-31T13:05:36.889-04:00Matt,
I'm going with the nuclear codes on th...Matt, <br /><br />I'm going with the nuclear codes on that. Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-36097724421755233142017-05-31T12:45:24.828-04:002017-05-31T12:45:24.828-04:00Well Starviego, Bugliosi is the source of the moti...Well Starviego, Bugliosi is the source of the motive. The thing I see here is that Gresham St. I think is early '69 and Melcher's visit(s) to Spahn are May '69 I think. I'm not at a place I can confirm that so If I'm wrong someone correct me. Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-33585431437430007772017-05-31T12:44:04.259-04:002017-05-31T12:44:04.259-04:00Muammar Covfefe (sorry...)
Muammar Covfefe (sorry...)<br /><br /><br />Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-18931259672343776262017-05-31T12:29:08.526-04:002017-05-31T12:29:08.526-04:00Here is what Bugliosi had to say in his book:
pg3...Here is what Bugliosi had to say in his book:<br /><br />pg315(paperback)<br />"Much of the time at the Gresham Street house... was spent composing songs for Charlie's album. Charlie worked hard on these songs...<br />Manson was counting on Terry Melcher to produce this album. According to numerous Family members... Terry had promised to come and listen to the songs one evening.. Melcher didn't show. Manson, according to Poston and Watkins, never forgave Terry for this. Melcher's word was no good, he said angrily on a number of occasions."<br /><br />Bugliosi explains why the album was so important to Charlie:<br /><br />pg334<br />"Blackie had been temporarily "pacified" by the young white girls, Manson claimed. But when he took away the pacifier--when his album came out and all the young loves followed Pied Piper Charlie to the desert--blackie would need another means of getting his frustrations out and he would turn to the establishment. ...<br />But Terry Melcher didn't come through. The album wasn't made."<br /><br /><br />So according to Bugs, the Resentment theory is valid.starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-76915871602405904702017-05-31T03:27:41.394-04:002017-05-31T03:27:41.394-04:00@CrisPOA:
What's wrong with you, Chris? Don&#...@CrisPOA:<br /><br />What's wrong with you, Chris? Don't find THIS handsome: http://i.imgur.com/js0iwCk.jpg ??<br /><br />:PGuida Diehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06881861444442344243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-37948930854072043392017-05-31T03:19:02.518-04:002017-05-31T03:19:02.518-04:00Melcher was banging Tuesday Weld?? Lucky SOB...Melcher was banging Tuesday Weld?? Lucky SOB...Guida Diehlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06881861444442344243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-78104983128153484402017-05-31T01:51:05.995-04:002017-05-31T01:51:05.995-04:00According to book Everybody Had an Ocean, Melcher ...According to book Everybody Had an Ocean, Melcher and Bergen, after finding out about murders, on August 9, were walking on the beach in Malibu and ran into David Geffen and Lou Adler. Melcher related the details of the murder to the two men and they listened intently, after which Geffen asked Melcher if he wanted to sell his house.Mr. Humphrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18206702171683458150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-8386477882436552032017-05-30T22:39:01.328-04:002017-05-30T22:39:01.328-04:00Or Starviego, as the evidence strongly suggests th...Or Starviego, as the evidence strongly suggests there were no promises, there was no on going connection and the revenge motive is crap. <br /><br />But helps TV ratings and book sales. Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.com