tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post3021827503793132614..comments2024-03-27T21:24:06.590-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Tex Watson Parole DeniedMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-20262985399291033262016-10-31T12:58:13.219-04:002016-10-31T12:58:13.219-04:00It's not ?It's not ?grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-23211340842044022292016-10-30T20:38:52.872-04:002016-10-30T20:38:52.872-04:00grimtraveller said...
I remember "back in t...<br />grimtraveller said... <br /><br />I remember "back in the 70s" ☺ there used to be this legal drama called "Justice." I was 8~11 at the time and there was no violence, action or speeding cars in it so I only ever watched it with half a brain but I distinctly remember that the friend or lover of the main character was something of a reformer and in one episode made an appeal for prisoners to be able to make love with their significant others. <b> I didn't really know what sex was then, neither would I have been interested but it's funny that over 40 years later, that's the only thing I remember about the show. That and that the lead character was called Margeret Lockwood.</b><br /><br /><br />You realize that Mansonblog isn't a psychiatrist's office, right?<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-2045032502524712122016-10-30T17:44:44.328-04:002016-10-30T17:44:44.328-04:00Dreath said...
Watson then switches to 80-81, whi...Dreath said...<br /><br /><b>Watson then switches to 80-81, which is inconsistent with what he said above: "Then the tide turned in '79"</b><br /><br />True. But the way he throws out "the 70s," "'79," "'80-'81," "1982" and "the 80s" indicates being general about the time rather than absolutely specific. People I know and have done for years do this all the time. We'll talk about "80s production values" or joke "the 80s called ~ they want their clothes back !" or we'll talk about "the 60s" and attach specific happenings or groups to then without going into specific detail whether we mean 1960, 1963 or 1968, which could make a big difference.<br />That way of dealing with specific time periods isn't inconsistent with Watson since at least 1978.<br /><br /><b>And he doesn't answer the question.<br /><br />Why? Because he didn't think about it at all. He thought only about himself and was incapable of ever "feeling" or "empathizing" with his victims</b><br /><br />Firstly, I would never say that a person will ever be capable of any kind of change because I simply cannot know that. Secondly, if he never thought about it at all, then that would kind of defeat the object of having children. He would, even if one accepts that he was only thinking of himself, by the very nature of the act have to be thinking about how children would figure in all this; particularly if he and his wife wanted them and he was thinking of how <i>good</i> it might make him appear.<br />I used to think that there were really only one or two scopes through which to bring children into the world but my travels through life in the last 35 years have taught me that people of all ages and situations have kids in all sorts of what appear to be bizarre circumstances, for all kinds of different reasons and with many alternative justifications for it.<br /><br /><b>this time his children who got to grow up without a father and telling everyone they meet their dad murdered at least seven innocent people</b><br /><br />I remember "back in the 70s" ☺ there used to be this legal drama called "Justice." I was 8~11 at the time and there was no violence, action or speeding cars in it so I only ever watched it with half a brain but I distinctly remember that the friend or lover of the main character was something of a reformer and in one episode made an appeal for prisoners to be able to make love with their significant others. I didn't really know what sex was then, neither would I have been interested but it's funny that over 40 years later, that's the only thing I remember about the show. That and that the lead character was called Margeret Lockwood.<br />I don't think prisoners should, but that's another debate for another time. Suffice it to say, it's not only Watson that was being selfish in this regard. His ex wife <i>and</i> the authorities that allowed it in the first place need to take a long hard look at themselves. That said, there's an uncomfortably large number of children who have one or both parents in prison......grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-51907346755438145202016-10-30T17:44:08.013-04:002016-10-30T17:44:08.013-04:00Dreath said...
I guess I don't read that exch...Dreath said...<br /><br /><b>I guess I don't read that exchange the way you do</b><br /><br />To some extent. There are points of divergence but by and large, I'd say we were bringing out different elements within the same exchange.<br /><br /><b>Castro wants to know why he had kids when he knew they wouldn't have a dad around. To me he's inquiring into either Watson's selfishness in having kids even though they would be fatherless or that he had them to garner sympathy</b><br /><br />For instance, I can see where Castro is coming from. I think they ask questions that many of us would ask and for the same reasons.<br /><br /><b>Castro points out that doesn't make any sense since his kids weren't born in the 70's.....Castro then points out that that doesn't make sense either since they weren't married until 1979</b><br /><br />While I can see what Castro is getting at with their questions, I think they unwittingly show too much of their hand and demonstrate that perhaps they have come to this hearing with their mind already made up. I remember Diligaf making the same point about the board members at LVH's hearing when she was given a decision in her favour. <br /><br />grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-62431142074487467842016-10-30T15:59:41.476-04:002016-10-30T15:59:41.476-04:00Grim,
I guess I don't read that exchange the...Grim, <br /><br />I guess I don't read that exchange the way you do. <br /><br />Castro wants to know why he had kids when he knew they wouldn't have a dad around. To me he's inquring into either Watson's selfishness in having kids even though they would be fatherless or that he had them to garner sympathy- exposing the same issue with Watson.<br /><br />Watson is smart enough to see where this is headed and makes the little speech about all when my wife and I decided this in the 70's and it looked more like I was going to get out. <br /><br />Castro points out that doesn't make any sense since his kids weren't born in the 70's. <br /><br />So Watson realizing his fable (lie, dishonesty, whatever you want to call it) doesn't make sense then tries to switch the topic to when he and his wife talked about it. <br /><br />Castro then points out that that doesn't make sense either since they weren't married until 1979. <br /><br />Watson then switches to 80-81, which is inconsistent with what he said above: "Then the tide turned in '79"<br /><br />And Castro is now lost because he didn't answer the question so he asks again: <br /><br />"PB: Why did you have children?<br /><br />TW: We decided to have children and I think you are wondering how well they handle the situation and if they are not going to have a dad. You are thinking they will have grand~kids before I even think about getting out. We thought about all this."<br /><br />And he doesn't answer the question. <br /><br />Why? Because he didn't think about it at all. He thought only about himself and was incapable of ever "feeling" or "empathizing" with his victims: this time his children who got to grow up without a father and telling everyone they meet their dad murdered at least seven innocent people. <br /><br /><br />Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-89120672032223714432016-10-30T13:34:43.675-04:002016-10-30T13:34:43.675-04:00Manson Mythos said...
I wonder what the LaBianca ... Manson Mythos said...<br /><br /><b>I wonder what the LaBianca family thinks about Alice LaBianca saying she suspected the phone book she handed over to Patchett was connect to, and I quote, "Rosemary and Suzan's drug dealing"</b><br /><br />I'd be inclined to take most things a previous wife/girlfriend/partner said about a current wife/girlfriend/partner {even a dead one} with a huge pinch of salt. grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-64873898029239467372016-10-30T13:29:05.414-04:002016-10-30T13:29:05.414-04:00Dreath said...
Isn't that all you really need... Dreath said...<br /><br /><b>Isn't that all you really need to know about Tex Watson? Even when he talks about why he had children....he can't get the timeline to fit his explanation: he lied</b><br /><br />I wouldn't say he was lying. Timelines not exact, yeah, but let's face it, along with identifying when a body was dead {Charlie, TJ, Bobby, Susan, Mary, Tex, Leslie and Bruce}, timelines were hardly their strong point ! It seems to me that what he's saying is that in the 70s when he got married, he and Kristin talked about having kids and decided to have them because they both wanted them and he was confident of getting out of prison in the not too distant future because California was more inclined towards rehabilitation than punishment and having a wife and kids would slant things more in his favour. Then he noticed that <i>in the 80s</i> {which could mean '87, '88 or '89 as well as earlier} things were changing. Cameras were in the hearings, the news media were there, the DA was there, family members were there and there was more emphasis on the actual offence than on whether the murderer had moved on from the state they were in at the time of the murders. The climate didn't change overnight but it did change, to the extent that by 1990, he was wondering why he had had kids.<br />That's what it seems like he saying. I don't see what there is to actually lie about. What I would be interested in seeing is someone taking him to task about whether he was involved in Shorty's murder and glean what he has to say about that. It came up during his trial {his lawyer was not happy that it was even spoken of}, it came up during at least one of Steve Grogan's parole hearings to the extent that Watson was actually named <i>by the parole board</i> {!!} as a crime partner, it came up during at least one of Bruce's, to the extent that the parole board even questioned Bruce about what he thought about Tex and whether he felt he should be paroled, which now, seems unbelievable {it was 1993} and Tex's name was mentioned as a possible almost right from the time in '69 when LE first became aware of talk of such a killing. The only person that I've ever seen not involve him in that crime is Charles Manson, in George's book.<br />I'd also like to know more about the ex~wife. St has written on occasion over the last few years on a few sites about the thinking and mindset of the people that get involved with and end up marrying murderers serving life sentences. They've been interesting write ups.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-23599739325449591032016-10-30T13:08:20.813-04:002016-10-30T13:08:20.813-04:00I wonder what the LaBianca family thinks about Ali...I wonder what the LaBianca family thinks about Alice LaBianca saying she suspected the phone book she handed over to Patchett was connect to, and I quote, "Rosemary and Suzan's drug dealing".<br /><br />Maybe it's not the eyes of God that made Suzan combat Doris over Tex's parole.Manson Mythoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10335867657444116691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-23624267102233611742016-10-30T12:57:43.253-04:002016-10-30T12:57:43.253-04:00:) :) Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-26415524782832905672016-10-30T10:33:59.067-04:002016-10-30T10:33:59.067-04:00Haha, St., yes I have been there too.
Great post...Haha, St., yes I have been there too. <br /><br />Great posts, grimtraverlermamapoohbear16https://www.blogger.com/profile/16549154327257833825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-15695565892634103542016-10-30T06:33:28.066-04:002016-10-30T06:33:28.066-04:00No problem mama lol. You know how many times I wis...No problem mama lol. You know how many times I wish I commented before 13 beers not after ? Lol. :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-69347492247165605432016-10-30T01:06:55.165-04:002016-10-30T01:06:55.165-04:00Grim quoted:
"PB: Your children are 8, 6 an...Grim quoted: <br /><br />"PB: Your children are 8, 6 and 14 months-that was not in the 70's<br /><br />TW: Our marriage occurred in the 70's<br /><br />PB: You were married in 1979<br /><br />TW: We still thought in 80-81 it still looked good because the cameras and people here today didn't start showing up until 1982.<br /><br />PB: You lost me"<br /><br />Isn't that all you really need to know about Tex Watson? Even when he talks about why he had children....he can't get the timeline to fit his explanation: he lied. <br />Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-2225238952299494322016-10-29T21:45:09.475-04:002016-10-29T21:45:09.475-04:00Mea Culpa for miscrediting the quote. Next time I ...Mea Culpa for miscrediting the quote. Next time I will response AFTER a cup of coffee, not before. mamapoohbear16https://www.blogger.com/profile/16549154327257833825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-47983236083127749612016-10-29T14:08:31.989-04:002016-10-29T14:08:31.989-04:00mamapoohbear16 said...
Saint said:
Of course...mamapoohbear16 said...<br /><br /><b>Saint said:<br /><br /> <i>Of course, we'll never know</i>.....</b><br /><br />For the record Mama, I said that.<br /><br /><br /> ziggyosterberg said...<br /><br /><b>I have it on good authority (grimtraveller)</b><br /><br />For the record Mama, I never said that !<br /><br /> mamapoohbear16 said...<br /><br /><b>I have a disagreement with you about Tex viewing parole as a slim possibility after the mid-80's</b><br /><br />The actual precise moments aren't an exact science but from his 1990 parole hearing comes this eye opening piece of dialogue between Tex and a member of the parole board:<br /><br /><i>PB: Why did you have children?<br /><br />TW: My wife and I desired children<br /><br />PB: You didn't think about the children not having a father?<br /><br />TW: Yes we did. When we decided to have children in the 70's things looked different in the 70's. The parole board situation looked different. We were under rehabilitation instead of punishment. When I came to the Board their wouldn't be these TV cameras, the district attorney and the victims would not be here. It looked like dates<br />were being given and everyone was getting a day. Then the tide turned in '79. When I went to the Board in the 80's and the new rules that were put into effect-with the DA, victims and news media. Everything was being decided on the commitment offense rather than the rehabilitation factors. Things looked completely different. We had the same thoughts you had several times and we wondered why we had children at times.<br /><br />PB: Your children are 8, 6 and 14 months-that was not in the 70's<br /><br />TW: Our marriage occurred in the 70's<br /><br />PB: You were married in 1979<br /><br />TW: We still thought in 80-81 it still looked good because the cameras and people here today didn't start showing up until 1982.<br /><br />PB: You lost me<br /><br />TW: I'm sorry Mr. Castro, I<br />guess we are having a communication problem.<br /><br />PB: Why did you have children?<br /><br />TW: We decided to have children and I think you are wondering how well they handle the situation and if they are not going to have a dad. You are thinking they will have grand~kids before I even think about getting out. We thought about all this.<br /><br />PB: Do the 6 and 8 year old know why you are in prison?<br /><br />TW: Yes they do. They know.</i><br /><br />What I was getting at is that after a time, I think Tex came to these hearings more in hope than expectation and I think that's still the case. <br /><br /><br /><b>he somehow got Suzan LaBarge to start campaigning for him at his parole hearing</b> <br /><br />You'd be surprised at how God can open one's eyes and what one can see when those eyes are opened.<br />That sounds like an advert for acid !grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-46634355465203475772016-10-29T11:45:51.683-04:002016-10-29T11:45:51.683-04:00It's my understanding she represented Tony LaM...It's my understanding she represented Tony LaMontagneCieloDrive.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03772677089227025942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-44182110240454660372016-10-29T11:12:08.914-04:002016-10-29T11:12:08.914-04:00ColScott said...
If you were like Vince you w...<br />ColScott said...<br /><br /> <b>If you were like Vince you would be much more upset about your name pronunciation, would be stalking the milkman (is there such a thing anymore) and beating your mistress.</b> <br /><br /><br />Bugliosi was clearly batshit. <br /><br />As far as his music tastes, I have it on good authority (grimtraveller) that <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kkJPiTIyZ8" rel="nofollow">this was Bugliosi's favorite song in the recorded annals of music.</a> (Note the girl reading a copy of Vince's "Helter Skelter" at 0:48)<br /><br />Bugliosi was also (obviously) a big fan of The Dead Milkmen.<br /><a href="https://youtu.be/kcKGpuY5jLM?t=40s" rel="nofollow">His favorite Dead Milkmen song was "Now Everybody's Me".</a> <br /><br />Some of the lyrics :<br /><br />Everybody loves Charles Manson<br />Everybody wants to set him free<br />Everybody's on the parole board<br />'Cause now everybody's me<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-71501680003258077122016-10-29T10:00:53.071-04:002016-10-29T10:00:53.071-04:00Hey Mama...
Those are not my comments you posted ...Hey Mama...<br /><br />Those are not my comments you posted above lol Those come from the blogger Grim.<br /><br />Thanks for the compliment though :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-82016129384199354962016-10-29T09:38:02.577-04:002016-10-29T09:38:02.577-04:00Saint said:
Of course, we'll never know, but...Saint said: <br /><br />Of course, we'll never know, but I wonder if Tex would be trying to live a clean life if his commuted sentence was life without parole. I suspect he would, if his conversion was real, because he'd have to see beyond this life. I know many think that he "dallies with religion" just to get out of jail but I don't buy that. Not over 40 years and seeing it hasn't worked yet. I think he worked out a long time ago that for him in particular, jail is his long term bet and parole is always a slim, very slender chance that certainly after the mid 80s became more and more long range. <br /><br />St., your insights are always deep and concise. I have a disagreement with you about Tex viewing parole as a slim possibility after the mid-80's. That was the time period where he fathered children, and told the parole board that his reasoning for having children was that he and his wife wanted them. I always thought that the marriage and children were a prop for Tex, you know, to show what an super husband and dad he is. <br /><br />Also, it was about that time that he somehow got Suzan LaBarge to start campaigning for him at his parole hearing. All of these people--wife,kids, LaBarge, all seem to be puppets that Tex used to further his plan for making parole. <br />mamapoohbear16https://www.blogger.com/profile/16549154327257833825noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-33242804032939665942016-10-29T08:41:22.088-04:002016-10-29T08:41:22.088-04:00Doc it is good to hear from you and I hope you are...Doc it is good to hear from you and I hope you are well :)<br /><br />you got your signals crossed a bit lol I am here :) I used to post on a few sites, but only really come here anymore to comment. The other two people you mentioned do not comment here. I am not sure if she still runs a site, but they both post on his I am sure. Just google his name and Manson and you will find your way to them :)<br /><br />Again- it is good to hear from you and to hear your doing better. Love the Avatar lolAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10291550902325920904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-23617090799296026092016-10-29T08:40:08.726-04:002016-10-29T08:40:08.726-04:00Jillian Barberie was allowed to attend with Debra ...Jillian Barberie was allowed to attend with Debra Tate and delivery an impact statement on behalf of Cory LaBianca. Is California "anything goes" now? I'm not on the side of Tex Watson, but minor celebrities with no connection to the case and who aren't next of kin have absolutely no place being there.Manson Mythoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10335867657444116691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-29237430746950424362016-10-29T01:57:13.968-04:002016-10-29T01:57:13.968-04:00Katie! Skynyrd! Saint! (and the rest of y'all)...Katie! Skynyrd! Saint! (and the rest of y'all)<br />Long time no see. I took a break for a few months while working on my health. <br /> I had trouble finding this website due to getting a brand new laptop and losing my bookmarks. <br /> Katie, I'm having trouble finding your website. Can you please give me your website address?Doc Sierrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15092659205764422809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-45379371246699353252016-10-28T23:02:20.116-04:002016-10-28T23:02:20.116-04:00St Circumstance said... couldn't have happened...St Circumstance said... couldn't have happened to a better guy.<br /><br />I wanted to say that. St Circumatance you beat me to the punch.:-) orwhuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17724866498802431665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-35949904844286136702016-10-28T19:24:10.951-04:002016-10-28T19:24:10.951-04:00Dreath said...
I have different view regarding th...Dreath said...<br /><br /><b>I have different view regarding the origin of his conversion drawn from my experiences with a close family member</b><br /><br />I thought your post was really insightful. The church worldwide is made up of those who fall into the camp you described, those who hate being told what to do and how to live or let's say have problems with it and those that simply never think about it. <br />I don't know whether Tex thought that coming to Christ <i>would</i> be the move that got him out of jail, personally I don't think so. I do think at one point early on he felt it would be in his favour. Mind you, I think he thought that having a wife and children would be a better route out, especially as at that period, the California authorities seemed to be {in his observation} more weighted towards rehabilitation. I think Vince Bugliosi thought they'd serve a minimum time and then be out {although whether he applied this to Tex is unclear}. And Steve Grogan's release probably gave them all, bar Charlie, a fresh shot of hope.<br /><br /> Robert C said...<br /><br /><b>Even if Tex is really rehabilitated now and safe to release in society, I see the punishment as just if he remained for the duration in prison. They are separate things</b><br /><br />Couldn't agree more. Rehabilitation simply means to prepare someone for re~entry back into society or bring them back into the right condition after an illness or injury. From that viewpoint, I think he was rehabilitated long ago. But the justice aspect of his crime <i>is</i> a separate thing. Parole isn't a given or mandatory, it's a possibility. In a way, it's a rather unclear fudge because some inmates rarely know exactly where they stand. It's understandable that they start to think in terms of having done enough to "deserve" parole.<br /><br /> St Circumstance said...<br /><br /><b>If he is stuck between a rock and hard place- I hope it is a sharp rock, which is jabbing him in the balls....</b><br /><br />Metaphorically, it is.<br /><br /><b>What choice does he have but the God stuff?</b><br /><br />Hard nose the highway, like Charlie and many others.<br /><br /><b>The major contributor to him staying in jail is that he killed a bunch of people in a vicious manner- one of whom was a 9 month pregnant woman. That is what keeps him in jail friend</b><br /><br />What I spoke of was <i>one</i> major contributor, not <i>the</i> major one.<br /><br /><b>Personally, Tex and his inner search for redemption gives me the blues</b><br /><br />Well, you recently brought it up ! That line sounds like a cowboy song.....grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-63864373284038508372016-10-28T16:14:05.602-04:002016-10-28T16:14:05.602-04:00If you were like Vince you would be much more upse...If you were like Vince you would be much more upset about your name pronunciation, would be stalking the milkman (is there such a thing anymore) and beating your mistress. Say it ain't so!ColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-15990764536593102012016-10-28T16:09:39.530-04:002016-10-28T16:09:39.530-04:00Col, I'm like Vince. I'm an agnostic and I...Col, I'm like Vince. I'm an agnostic and I love latin love songscielodrivecomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03535091266830414644noreply@blogger.com