tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post3216390420814063510..comments2024-03-28T23:53:16.262-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Vern PlumleeMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-14739502346816352052015-07-05T11:12:31.755-04:002015-07-05T11:12:31.755-04:00Whether there really are any bodies up there is an...Whether there really are any bodies up there is anyone's guess and everyone's opinion.....but just as a bit of food for thought ¬> it took them years to find Shorty's body and they <i>tried</i>. It is doubtful if they would have found it if Steve Grogan hadn't shown them. <i>He</i> knew where it was. They did not. <br />In some of these vast areas of land, there could be loads of bodies buried stretching back over 150 years. And few people currently alive would have the slightest inkling.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-46652525523612469172011-03-01T12:53:20.540-05:002011-03-01T12:53:20.540-05:00I always wonder if there really are bodies still u...I always wonder if there really are bodies still up there at Barker. Sadie said they'd never be found so I am sure they are not buried in the back yard and the whole Inyo Sherriff dig was doomed to fail. My money's on the victims if there were any getting dumped down a mine shaft. Of course, there is the long-haired, blonde hippie wearing overalls that was found in the dunes and never identified. I'd love to hear what Vern has to say today about it all...Panamint Pattyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-48185881822367435312011-03-01T13:17:30.905-05:002011-03-01T13:17:30.905-05:00I too wonder if and what is really up there??? Don...I too wonder if and what is really up there??? <br><br>Dont know anything about the area so dont know how realistic it is that something would have been found by now..St. Circumstancehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12892782523878699958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-27765966529851065022011-03-01T13:20:19.857-05:002011-03-01T13:20:19.857-05:00Too many of them said that murders occurred in the...Too many of them said that murders occurred in the desert for it to be baseless. Probably part of the reason that most of them prefer to live in anonymity and not write books. Some may have too much to lose since there's no statute of limitations on murder.Matthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-86607964572701094552011-03-01T13:24:15.817-05:002011-03-01T13:24:15.817-05:00Damn. I still feel guilty about a squirrel I kill...Damn. I still feel guilty about a squirrel I killed with my car five years ago...imagine having to take stuff like this to your grave...Panamint Pattyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-57272087344728508212011-03-01T13:26:34.779-05:002011-03-01T13:26:34.779-05:00Or every time there's a knock at the door. Is ...Or every time there's a knock at the door. Is this when the other shoe drops?Matthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-55273408680470588392011-03-01T13:48:32.713-05:002011-03-01T13:48:32.713-05:00Its hard to imagine that after seeing Clem walk fo...Its hard to imagine that after seeing Clem walk for revealing such information- that none of the others would have tried to make there own deal..<br><br>unless they didn't know- or maybe it was cause the cops already were aware of Clems victim ???<br><br>If one of them said they knew locations of other bodies- would revealing this get them a deal to let them out for the last part of there life?<br><br>Or.. too little - too late<br><br>Maybe not for some of the families of potential victims- because obviously, there would have been no closure for them..St. Circumstancehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12892782523878699958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-28707029869827650102011-03-01T16:21:52.868-05:002011-03-01T16:21:52.868-05:00i don't think there are bodies buried there. ...i don't think there are bodies buried there. i just don't think so.evilizhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15550104977607995144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-62430652357097626832011-03-01T17:45:32.424-05:002011-03-01T17:45:32.424-05:00Damn, look at Vern! I think most of those people w...Damn, look at Vern! <br>I think most of those people who say they saw this and that are all out for notoriety. If they killed someone, give more specifics. <br>:DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-52679216743033290562011-03-01T19:18:54.220-05:002011-03-01T19:18:54.220-05:00St. Circumstance said...Its hard to imagine that a...St. Circumstance said...<br>Its hard to imagine that after seeing Clem walk for revealing such information- that none of the others would have tried to make there own deal..<br><br> like i said earlier- i don't think there is anyone buried anywhere.<br><br>and what ST said makes sense. <br><br>who comes to mind is Bruce. he is itching to get out of prison. and<br>i think he was charlie's "right hand man". he was at Hinman and Shea. after Clem got his deal if there were bodies buried out there, Bruce would have known and i am sure- tried to make a deal.evilizhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15550104977607995144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-30538822772503909182011-03-01T19:32:32.231-05:002011-03-01T19:32:32.231-05:00Bruce was exactly who I had in mind when I was hav...Bruce was exactly who I had in mind when I was having those thoughts..St. Circumstancehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12892782523878699958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-90534786251538596392011-03-01T19:57:27.929-05:002011-03-01T19:57:27.929-05:00Another FINE example of why I come here. You want ...Another FINE example of why I come here. You want to see it and can't find it anywhere else, Eviliz is the place!Ken619http://www.blogger.com/profile/10731691485039132322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-55111068663320463722011-03-01T20:04:35.060-05:002011-03-01T20:04:35.060-05:00Vern looks like he should be hanging out in a rock...Vern looks like he should be hanging out in a rocking chair on a porch somewhere smokin' a corn-cob pipe.hippichick40http://www.blogger.com/profile/11802277780481403871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-68596186308827428082011-03-01T20:10:28.938-05:002011-03-01T20:10:28.938-05:00I have to agree with Liz on both counts:1) If anyo...I have to agree with Liz on both counts:<br><br>1) If anyone knows of more bodies, it's Bruce.<br><br>2) Bruce would use a bargaining chip, if he had one.LynyrdSkynyrdBandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-56560396317229501222011-03-01T23:20:34.164-05:002011-03-01T23:20:34.164-05:00eviliz said...i don't think there are bodies b...eviliz said...<br>i don't think there are bodies buried there. i just don't think so.<br><br>March 1, 2011 4:21 PM[end quote]<br><br>Paul Crockett, Juan Flynn, Brooks Posten, and Paul Watson would have known if anyone was killed in Death Valley but they never suggested that anyone was killed there. End of story.MrPoirothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-18207078773783139042011-03-02T02:41:47.495-05:002011-03-02T02:41:47.495-05:00@LSBIf Bruce Davis knows about bodies, and he was ...@LSB<br><br>If Bruce Davis knows about bodies, and he was involved, he's looking at a lethal injection. Same with the others; they'll never talk.<br>Prison sucks, but the big needle sucks worse!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-90663220714858148852011-03-02T12:47:20.593-05:002011-03-02T12:47:20.593-05:00@ AnonymousI said: "Bruce would use a bargain...@ Anonymous<br><br>I said: "Bruce would use a bargaining chip, <b>if</b> he had one".<br><br>I would assume, someone in Bruce's shoes, would be smart enough to consult a lawyer, to see if revealing further information would work in his favor... (i.e., how much of a "bargaining chip" this information would be at this point, to the authorities).<br><br>BTW, Circumstance already made your point earlier:<br><i>"If one of them said they knew locations of other bodies- would revealing this get them a deal to let them out for the last part of there life"..."Or.. too little - too late".</i><br><br>Shorty's situation was already public, and Clem had already been held accountable... so it was basically a win-win for Clem.<br>Certainly, revealing further bodies, could work to Bruce's detriment... but, if I was in his shoes - I'd still consult a lawyer.<br>'Course, Circumstance already made that point as well:<br><i>"or maybe it was cause the cops already were aware of Clems victim ???"</i><br><br>I have to wonder Anon, why your statement is "@" me, when I was seconding what Liz had said.<br>As Liz herself said...<br> "Bruce would have known and i am sure- <b>tried to make a deal</b>".<br>"Tried" anonymous...<br>That means, he would have looked into it (to see if it was advantageous to him).<br><br>Are you that much of a legal expert, that you know with absolute certainty, revealing further information would not be beneficial to Bruce?<br>Or, that the authorities may not be interested in further information?<br><br>Bottom line:<br>Sure revealing further information could be detrimental to Bruce - You're stating a concept that's so obvious, it's not even worthy of mention.<br>I don't think even Bruce is stupid enough to cut his own throat, without consulting a lawyer.<br>Do we really have to spell that out point-blank?<br>Evidently so...LynyrdSkynyrdBandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-5022440107918276482011-03-02T13:58:47.001-05:002011-03-02T13:58:47.001-05:00Poirot...I believe you meant Watkins.It's a wo...Poirot...<br>I believe you meant Watkins.<br><br>It's a worthy point, as Paul was never "tight-lipped" with information.LynyrdSkynyrdBandnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-22507369592350899592011-03-02T20:37:15.159-05:002011-03-02T20:37:15.159-05:00Something went on out in the desert. None of them ...Something went on out in the desert. None of them ever talked. Manson hints at more murders in his 80's and 90's interviews, but he's nuts. Matt's right, though. The people that know things moved on and stayed away from the spotlight.<br><br>A quote from Marlin Marynick's book; ' the murders were a direct result of all this wild interaction between the rich and famous and the infamous and unknown"<br><br>Me, I blame Tex Watson being on a speed bender for the whole thang. Manson is entertaining for the cameras. They sold the Helter Skelter to the masses because the masses like sensational stories with clearly defined good vs evil paremeters.TomGhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17647303118718364687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-50664249717661842032011-03-02T20:37:15.158-05:002011-03-02T20:37:15.158-05:00It wasn't a matter of Watkins being tightlippe...It wasn't a matter of Watkins being tightlipped. Watkins feared Manson and fled from both Spahn and Barker Ranch. Anything that happened at Barker would be known to Crockett, Watkins, Flynn, Poston and Poston's gal but none of them ever said there were bodies buried up there. If there had been buried bodies one of the 5 I mentioned would have relayed it to police and that never happened. The media pushed the story along hoping it was true, but it wasn't. It was blown out of proportion and brought noteriety to Barker Ranch and caused the ranch to be burned and Golar Wash to be closed to motorized vehicles. As remote as Barkers was they nearly needed a traffic light on Golar Wash on weekends.MrPoirothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-18836282019174848152011-03-02T20:58:40.307-05:002011-03-02T20:58:40.307-05:00TomG said...Something went on out in the desert. N...TomG said...<br>Something went on out in the desert. None of them ever talked.<br><br>Quite a few of the girls said<br>Charlie got real mean once they hit the desert.evilizhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15550104977607995144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-36421386416409345932011-03-04T00:00:20.148-05:002011-03-04T00:00:20.148-05:00Panamint Patty said...I always wonder if there rea...Panamint Patty said...<br>I always wonder if there really are bodies still up there at Barker. Sadie said they'd never be found so I am sure they are not buried in the back yard and the whole Inyo Sherriff dig was doomed to fail. [end quote]<br><br>Mr Poirot replies:<br><br>You mean Buster the Wonderdog? He didn't fail. He got a Milkbone for every grave he identified. In his mind the Barker Ranch search was worth every minute.MrPoirothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06155552886069024565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-20444617922599909992011-03-06T02:31:16.529-05:002011-03-06T02:31:16.529-05:00Poirot - LOLingPoirot - LOLingPanamint Pattyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-25176812822049682352011-03-16T14:26:13.075-04:002011-03-16T14:26:13.075-04:00poor old Bruce! Being Charlie's 'right-han...poor old Bruce! Being Charlie's 'right-hand man' even if true, and it's very debatable, shouldn't get you 40 years. Nor should giving Charlie a lift to Gary's: Bruce di essentially no more than pick up the gun in a melee, and as for Shorty, that really seems to have been Clem and Tex, with a scared Bruce trailing behind and giving one post-mortem slash, which is what I would have done, being around a nutter like Watson. 40 years! While Clem walks! <br>Justice, I don't think.<br>and what is the point of parole boards when the Governor can veto the decisions?<br>I don't get American justice at all. It all seems to be a game about who can stop evidence going before the court. <br>I saw a good one today: <br>The Justice System: All that's between you and prison: 12 people not smart enough to get out of jury duty...fiona1933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-4681034991471853792011-04-23T18:25:37.210-04:002011-04-23T18:25:37.210-04:00I just dont get this for so many reasons: they poi...I just dont get this for so many reasons: they point out her getting in trouble and paying no price is typical.. the judge says she did what she did intentionally and then reduces charges???<br><br><br>LOS ANGELES - The day unfolded all too familiarly for Lindsay Lohan: a court hearing, a jail sentence, a quick release.<br><br>The starlet appeared before a judge Friday for the fourth time in nearly a year and was sentenced to 120 days for violating her probation by taking a designer necklace.<br><br>Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Stephanie Sautner said she thought the actress had intentionally taken the $2,500 necklace from an upscale Venice store and shown poor judgment in not trying to return it until police became involved.<br><br>The judge reduced the actress' charge from felony grand theft to a misdemeanor and imposed the 120-day sentence.<br><br>Lohan's attorney Shawn Holley filed a notice of appeal right before court closed, clearing the way for the actress' release on bail.St. Circumstancehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12892782523878699958noreply@blogger.com