tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post3398854035100446286..comments2024-03-27T21:24:06.590-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: The Manson Family on Film and Television’ (2018)Matthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-10359876845072337572019-02-26T11:48:11.672-05:002019-02-26T11:48:11.672-05:00You Must Remember This
The podcast about the secre...<br />You Must Remember This<br />The podcast about the secret and/or forgotten history of Hollywood's first century<br /> There are also many other Hollywood history episodes as well. The Ramon Novarro episodes were interesting. Matthew https://www.blogger.com/profile/17147415819068597641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-41189763816924950852019-02-26T09:58:38.399-05:002019-02-26T09:58:38.399-05:00starviego said...
"is anyone else listen...starviego said...<br /><br /> "is anyone else listening to the "You must remember Manson" podcast?"<br /><br /> I caught it a while back. Did Karina do another episode<br /><br />There are 12 episodes all together on the Manson series. Matthew https://www.blogger.com/profile/17147415819068597641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-21546399974337414022019-02-25T21:16:09.390-05:002019-02-25T21:16:09.390-05:00Thanks Deb. Will do so.Thanks Deb. Will do so.Milly Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03612495681178122993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-21484629422916117272019-02-25T20:52:52.123-05:002019-02-25T20:52:52.123-05:00"is anyone else listening to the "You mu..."is anyone else listening to the "You must remember Manson" podcast?"<br /><br />I caught it a while back. Did Karina do another episode?starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-41123263974301603392019-02-25T20:30:34.557-05:002019-02-25T20:30:34.557-05:00Not all those happy fellows were a lawyer for the ...Not all those happy fellows were a lawyer for the Manson gang were they?Milly Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03612495681178122993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-37506902932165027702019-02-25T18:18:58.057-05:002019-02-25T18:18:58.057-05:00In both the USA and UK at the time, there was a co...<b>In both the USA and UK at the time, there was a coming together of class, age, race {well, more than had been previously} and gender from different ends of the scope</b><br /><br />Come to think of it, the jazz world was well ahead of the curve a good 3 decades before the 60s.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-55063037778449310692019-02-25T11:07:13.291-05:002019-02-25T11:07:13.291-05:00A bit off topic, but is anyone else listening to t...A bit off topic, but is anyone else listening to the "You must remember Manson" podcast? It is really interesting and well done. <br />Matthew https://www.blogger.com/profile/17147415819068597641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-68516675490220016412019-02-24T17:58:22.178-05:002019-02-24T17:58:22.178-05:00Milly James said...
I find the lawyer's de...Milly James said...<br /><br /> <b>I find the lawyer's death hugely suspicious</b><br /><br />Well, it didn't do to be connected to the Family, even in the most tenuous way......"Suspicious" deaths abound ~ Zero, Joel Pugh, Ronald Hughes, Darwin Scott, Randy Starr, Pat's sister Charlene, Mark Walts. Having ignored information linking the Family to Cielo, LE weren't up for making <i>that</i> error again and went perhaps to the other extreme of linking them to any death where even the slightest connection existed, even if it wasn't murder.<br />That crowd were deemed a murder mystery, indeed.<br /><br /><b>I would detest having an 'owd git' crashing my weekend</b><br /><br />It wasn't so unusual though. The Manson troupe was that, in a way. In both the USA and UK at the time, there was a coming together of class, age, race {well, more than had been previously} and gender from different ends of the scope. As one of many examples, think of Miles Davis. Though in his 40s he was hanging with younger guys in their teens {Tony Williams} and 20s, from America <i>and</i> Europe {Joe Zawinul, Dave Holland, John McLaughlin}. It seems also a little less unusual for the opposite sex of wildly varying ages to be hanging together in that period.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-18798730932660097362019-02-23T15:30:57.374-05:002019-02-23T15:30:57.374-05:00Do they have an infamy section?Do they have an infamy section?Dan Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17058602981660065969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-91036827581008627152019-02-23T10:22:33.492-05:002019-02-23T10:22:33.492-05:00If you look at TLB/Manson/Family as some long-runn...If you look at TLB/Manson/Family as some long-running TV drama, it would probably be one of the highest-grossing shows ever. Including the movies, TV specials, news reports, book and magazine tie-ins, retrospectives, etc.<br /><br />On that basis alone, Charlie should have been given his own star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame long ago.starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-5471718338160963552019-02-23T04:47:32.123-05:002019-02-23T04:47:32.123-05:00Lol! That's what he meant by "show blacki...Lol! That's what he meant by "show blackie how to do it"Dan Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17058602981660065969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-70398298831760488412019-02-22T20:12:10.681-05:002019-02-22T20:12:10.681-05:00Speaking on the topic of Yod and Garage Rock...
h...Speaking on the topic of Yod and Garage Rock...<br /><br />https://youtu.be/X16lG18xVuc<br /><br />Recently played with the LOVE Revisited Band (feat Johnny Echols) in SF on tbe day of Cupid's successful parole decision.<br /><br />Sans Sunlight of course...but talk about a multitude of Six Degrees of Separation!<br /><br />From Bouseleil with the Grass Roots through Sky/Bobby/Sebring in Mondo Hollywood...to the Mothers in Topanga with Gail not-yet Zappa and Bobby Jameson being backed by 3 members of Love on his 7" And, dating Gail to The Buffalo Springfield/Mama Cass and Neil Young/Spiral Staircase connection. To Neil Young trying to get Love's Ken Forssi in The BS to replace Bruce Palmer to former BS groupies/Manson Family members...I could list 20+ more connections.<br /><br />That garage sale score sounds insane! Any other notable records?<br /><br />The range of people touched by the "hands" of the MF is ridiculously vastDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17388908256992077315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-88161551959242749642019-02-22T12:34:33.816-05:002019-02-22T12:34:33.816-05:00It looks like I've found footage of Charlie in...It looks like I've found footage of Charlie in South America.<br /><br />https://tenor.com/view/beffen-gif-5939233xreleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13077683001046221078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-34823203006921009642019-02-21T21:42:53.381-05:002019-02-21T21:42:53.381-05:00Milly, incase you missed it, you should read a pos...Milly, incase you missed it, you should read a post by Matt on Ron Hughes.<br /><br />https://www.mansonblog.com/2018/03/ron-hughes-look-back-at-remarkable-man.htmlDebShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093893870315262396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-51047925834763415152019-02-21T21:01:36.632-05:002019-02-21T21:01:36.632-05:00Sorry, my point being that I find the lawyer's...Sorry, my point being that I find the lawyer's death hugely suspicious.Milly Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03612495681178122993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-85490042722206907612019-02-21T20:54:35.304-05:002019-02-21T20:54:35.304-05:00I accept that from his point of view it would be g...I accept that from his point of view it would be great to 'hang out with the kids' but as a young menber of a couple I would detest having an 'owd git' crashing my weekend.Milly Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03612495681178122993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-57598050589820613272019-02-21T14:43:46.601-05:002019-02-21T14:43:46.601-05:00Being familiar with Father Yod, I recognized the S...Being familiar with Father Yod, I recognized the Source connection when I first read that Mark Ross was Aesop Aquarian some time ago. As a collector of rare garage and psychedelia records/CDs, I've always been intrigued by the Father Yod saga. Back in 1983, at a Thousand Oaks, CA garage sale, I bought a box of around 150 records for 200 bucks. Included in the bunch were a half dozen rare Father Yod/Ya Ho Wha 13 records, which I later found out, after I sold them on EBay 20 years later, were worth an arm & a leg to collectors. They were trippy records with chants and free form instrumental jams that had somewhat limited appeal, but I liked them. The records were originally sold out of the Source health food restaurant on Sunset Blvd. and were very limited pressings. Apparently the restaurant was a gold mine, bringing in 10K a week, which was a fortune back then, and enabled them to rent the Chandler mansion and allow other indulgences. It was probably all very attractive to a young man of Aesop/Mark's age back then, just as Manson's Family was...the old "guru with a harem" trip. Here is Aesop's web page : <br /><a href="http://haveguitar-willtravel.com/HAVEGUITAR-WILLTRAVEL.COM/Home.html" rel="nofollow">Aesop T.Aquarian-Have Guitar Will Travel</a><br />It contains a lot of interesting pics of him. He definitely has gotten around, and has had a bunch of small parts to his credentials. I also saw that Djin Aquarian, one of the original three Ya Ho Wha musicians, has a public FB page, and Aesop is a follower of the page, so apparently the pariah thing isn't shared by all ex-Source members.Gorodishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16554015159612108936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-58399077339718141932019-02-21T11:35:17.109-05:002019-02-21T11:35:17.109-05:00Doug, that's an interesting story. Looking at...Doug, that's an interesting story. Looking at Aesop's bio at IMDb, he is credited for appearing on an episode of a TV series using the stage name of Aesop Aquarian back in 1976. Though, I don't know when he first joined the Source Family. I understand that they did not come into being until 1972, pretty much after the Manson saga trials were over.<br /><br />I do know that he legally changed his name from Mark Ross to Aesop Aquarian and has used the Aesop name for decades now. His filmography list is quite long.<br /><br />https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0032592/<br /><br />So, I guess one could say he was a senior member of the Source Family. While Isis and Electricity Aquarian may not want Aesop to be associated with the Source, I doubt that there is anything meaningful that they can do about it at this point. That's the problem of everyone taking the same last name, a name that defines one as being a part of the Source Family.<br /><br />DebShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093893870315262396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-24002083502583559972019-02-19T21:57:23.199-05:002019-02-19T21:57:23.199-05:00Deb - Around Dec 2017 I briefly dated a woman livi...Deb - Around Dec 2017 I briefly dated a woman living in Washington State named Rose. She - like Ross/Aesop - "did time" in two "cult" organizations. She was a childhood member of The Children of God (The FAMILY International no less) in Thurber Texas and, after her parents fled and parted ways...with both , one another AND TFI, she and her mother and 2 sisters joined The Source.<br /><br />Rose and her sisters left in the late 80s when Rose was around 20-ish. Their mother stayed.<br /><br />The stories she told me (I never pushed her - she was doing well but quite messed up over the sexual and mental abuse at the direction of David Berg and, Karen Zerby - was horrifying at best). Possibly far, far more heinous than what the members of the MF faced/endured at the Ranches. It made me angry hearing it. It also made me physically ill.<br /><br />The Source Family experience was not as heinous IMO and, in Rose's BUT...she spent a bit of time crowded in that Hollywood 3br with 150 people just before moving to Hawaii. She said that Hawaii was awesome at first but as she hit her teens, she really began to hate it. Even the music no longer united the people of The Source as it had. (Djin Aquariun has confirmed this in private conversations since Rose and I split up. He and I spoke about music around 97% of the time we spoke).<br /><br />Mark/Aesop got off super freaking easy. However - one wonders how immersed he was to be largely "written out" of the Source Family historical data. One would believe he may have been a senior or important member for them to put energies into dissociation.<br />If he was somewhat important...then, how deep was his own personal ugliness?Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17388908256992077315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-80997217108049858902019-02-19T20:13:21.797-05:002019-02-19T20:13:21.797-05:00DebS said...
Then Bugliosi, in his book, opin...DebS said...<br /><br /> <b>Then Bugliosi, in his book, opined that James Forsher and Lauren Elder who drove Hughes to Sespe could have been James and Lauren Willett due to the same first names, thus giving the impression that the Family may have has something to do with Hughes death.....This speculation by Bugliosi was flawed in a couple of different ways......It was probably Bugliosi's speculation that fueled the idea that the Family had something to do with Hughes death and that speculation has continued to this day</b><br /><br />The interesting thing here is that in the same book, in the same section, Bugliosi notes:<br /><i>"It appears unlikely that James Forsher and James Willett were the same person: Willett would have been 24 in 1970, not 17. But Lauren is a decidedly uncommon name. And 19 in 1972, she would have been 17 in 1970.<br />Coincidence ? There had been far stranger ones in this case."</i><br />{As a quick aside, since 1978, I have always read that sentence of Bugliosi's as "There <b><i>have</i></b> been far stranger ones in this case." I've only just now for the first time noticed that it says 'had.'}<br />What really appears to have stoked the speculation beyond that initial "woah, James and Lauren ?" moment was when Laurence Merrick said that Sandy had claimed that Hughes' death was the first of the retaliation murders. The supposed witness to the statement {it was off camera} wasn't identified and as far as I'm aware, has never come forward to say "Yeah, she said it." Sandy is on record denying it utterly. Of course, statements about people's deaths weren't foreign to Sandy at the time that Robert Hendrickson was filming the Family so I wouldn't be surprised if she said it. She has stated other wild things in her time. <br />Funnily enough, James Forsher sued Bugliosi some time later, saying that the impression was left that he was somehow connected to either the Family or the death of Ronald Hughes or both.<br />It got thrown out and I can see why it got thrown out. Although I didn't always have this view, I can see why Forsher tried to sue although I do think it was a daft move. <br /><br /> Milly James said...<br /><br /> <b>I also find it a bit odd that Mr Hughes was on a weekend with such a young couple in the first place</b><br /><br />Not when you consider Ron's affinity with the counterculture and the fact that though it was 1970, many people were still living the 60s.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-29698934296878296562019-02-19T18:27:41.818-05:002019-02-19T18:27:41.818-05:00I understand that sniffer dogs have alerted in the...I understand that sniffer dogs have alerted in the Barker Ranch area. Of course, the poor lawyer has been accounted for but there are a shocking amount of missing people in this world. I also find it a bit odd that Mr Hughes was on a weekend with such a young couple in the first place.Milly Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03612495681178122993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-42975503897231951432019-02-19T14:57:06.671-05:002019-02-19T14:57:06.671-05:00Thanks, DebS. Lots of speculation and loose thinki...Thanks, DebS. Lots of speculation and loose thinking in this case :-) Proteushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15876956793409494986noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-36800612707715434792019-02-19T13:00:57.234-05:002019-02-19T13:00:57.234-05:00Of course, the combined death toll attributed to M...Of course, the combined death toll attributed to Manson and his Family was much higher than seven, and included [...] lawyer Ronald Hughes ...<br /><br />Er, is there any evidence to support that?<br />-----------<br /><br />The first hint that I could find which implicated the Family in Hughes death was in a March 24 1971 LA Times article. The article stated an anonymous call was made to LA County saying that Ron Hughes was buried in an area behind the barn at Barker Ranch. LA County contacted Inyo County who sent two deputies and an assistant district attorney to Barker to survey the area and dig behind the barn. No body was found, obviously.<br /><br />Then Bugliosi, in his book, opined that James Forsher and Lauren Elder who drove Hughes to Sespe could have been James and Lauren Willett due to the same first names, thus giving the impression that the Family may have has something to do with Hughes death.<br /><br />This speculation by Bugliosi was flawed in a couple of different ways. The Willett's did not meet any Family members until 1972. James was in the military at the time Hughes went missing. Also, the ages of Forsher and Elder did not match the Willett's ages. Forsher and Elder were from the LA area, their parents lived there and they went to school there. They were both 17 years old at the time.<br /><br />The Willett's were from back east, James from Kentucky and Lauren from Connecticut where their respective parents lived. They were older than Forsher and Elder. They were two separate couples with the same first names.<br /><br />It was probably Bugliosi's speculation that fueled the idea that the Family had something to do with Hughes death and that speculation has continued to this day.DebShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17093893870315262396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-17738114430896647862019-02-19T12:21:32.641-05:002019-02-19T12:21:32.641-05:00Clearly Diabolique's knowledge of TV and film ...Clearly Diabolique's knowledge of TV and film are its strengths, and knowledge of the TLB case is not.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-51832288836946063402019-02-19T12:01:43.644-05:002019-02-19T12:01:43.644-05:00Of course, the combined death toll attributed to M...<b> Of course, the combined death toll attributed to Manson and his Family was much higher than seven, and included [...] lawyer Ronald Hughes ...</b><br /><br />Er, is there any evidence to support that?Proteushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15876956793409494986noreply@blogger.com