tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post3861862176519861751..comments2024-03-28T23:53:16.262-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Juanita WildebushMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-35010674152191473102021-11-07T07:39:51.118-05:002021-11-07T07:39:51.118-05:00DieselEstate said...
Ms. Wildebush in The New Rep... DieselEstate said...<br /><br /><b>Ms. Wildebush in The New Republic which tells the story of her initial meeting with Manson & his minions very differently. I cannot see why Wildebush would lie so, it really puts Watkins in a dubious light. Anyway. Read for yourself<br /> https://newrepublic.com/article/154556/manson-girl-got-away-interview</b><br /><br />This is that interview from 1984-5 that I linked to earlier, from ColScott's blog.<br /><br /><b>Many of the youth involved in The Family were from prominent/wealthy/well connected parents who definitely did not want their kids involvement with Manson publicised. Investigating authorities certainly did 'follow the money' and then discreetly shielded the embarrassed parents, who then had their offspring deprogrammed or, lost them to further cults and/or criminality</b><br /><br />Which ones did you have in mind ?grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-7558858952381293712021-01-06T19:30:49.543-05:002021-01-06T19:30:49.543-05:00Many of the youth involved in The Family were from...Many of the youth involved in The Family were from prominent/wealthy/well connected parents who definitely did not want their kids involvement with Manson publicised. Investigating authorities certainly did 'follow the money' and then discreetly shielded the embarrassed parents, who then had their offspring deprogrammed or, lost them to further cults and/or criminality. You just have to do a bit of In depth reading to uncover the links and names. DieselEstatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04685622047236324129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-11576177477651540692021-01-06T17:39:54.634-05:002021-01-06T17:39:54.634-05:00Many of the youth involved in The Family were from...Many of the youth involved in The Family were from prominent/wealthy/well connected parents who definitely did not want their kids involvement with Manson publicised. Investigating authorities certainly did 'follow the money' and then discreetly shielded the embarrassed parents, who then had their offspring deprogrammed or, lost them to further cults and/or criminality. You just have to do a bit of In depth reading to uncover the links and names. DieselEstatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04685622047236324129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-67396979191929913192021-01-06T17:24:25.578-05:002021-01-06T17:24:25.578-05:00I have to agree with everyone else: Both photos sh...I have to agree with everyone else: Both photos show an attractive, pretty woman. In neither image does she appear 'corpulent'just normal. I suppose if everybody else has the bodily appearance of anorexia then, adequately fed normal people may well seem to be overweight. I have always thought of 'Juanita' as an ugly name, though. There is an interesting interview with<br />Ms. Wildebush in The New Republic which tells the story of her initial meeting with Manson & his minions very differently. I cannot see why Wildebush would lie so, it really puts Watkins in a dubious light. Anyway. Read for yourself<br />https://newrepublic.com/article/154556/manson-girl-got-away-interviewDieselEstatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04685622047236324129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-87927393776350180102020-09-09T17:05:28.454-04:002020-09-09T17:05:28.454-04:00David said...
Now to change the subject, again... David said...<br /><br /> <b>Now to change the subject, again: The Epix Helter Skelter and American Myth I found, actually to be the best TV version of the story to date. A couple images/video bits I had not seen or not seen in their entirety and they interviewed Allen Swerdoff (even if they only used 2 minutes of it). Very Share, Lake, Guinn but not bad for the masses. IMO</b><br /><br />I've seen the 2 that Doug linked to and I'm inclined to agree.<br />Incidentally, there's a journalist here in England called Alan Clayson ~ he's written a few books on The Beatles and used to turn up on all kinds of programmes pertaining to them. Anyway, in his mannerisms and laconic, sarcastic delivery, he's like the English Jeff Guinn. I wouldn't be surprised if they have a common ancestor somewhere in the dim and murky past.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-36094898727090520882020-09-05T12:38:53.403-04:002020-09-05T12:38:53.403-04:00Grim I went on You Tube to remind myself of the pa...Grim I went on You Tube to remind myself of the parts on Highway Star you're talking about and was pleased to see the whole concert was video'd and is on You Tube. The one with the whole concert was out of sync between audio and video but the Highway star I saw by itself was synced up fine. It is an amazing live album-the sound is so alive compared to the studio versions.<br />It seems like we had some of this conversation before a few years ago, but I was in Japan in '85 traveling around and got to go to Okinawa where a friend lived and we just happened upon a free outdoor concert with a Japanese band called Okinawa who did Deep Purple covers and was actually very good. :)Mr. Humphrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18206702171683458150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-20593240367436363022020-09-05T04:51:35.307-04:002020-09-05T04:51:35.307-04:00Mr. Humphrat said:
I also prefer the Made In ... Mr. Humphrat said:<br /><br /> <b>I also prefer the Made In Japan versions of Highway Star and Smoke on the Water</b><br /><br />That version of Highway Star is the epitome of excitement. The way Ian Gillan screams just before the outrageously glorious organ solo is one of the funniest things I've heard on a record, I never get tired of hearing it and still laugh 40 years on. Glover's bass playing is rarely finer and when the song has ended, such is the hypermania that Ian Paice gives these two thwacks on the drums. It's almost as though he just can't contain himself after playing to such a high level of intensity.<br /><br /> David said:<br /><br /> <b>I of course fell into that album/band due to Smoke On the Water</b><br /><br />From 1973 to 74 someone that used to live opposite us {ie, their garden backed onto ours ~ it would take a 10 minute walk to actually get to the front of their house} was obviously learning to play guitar and for almost 2 years at the weekend would crank out the same piece of music. I was ignorant of such matters then and didn't know about electric guitars and amps, but one could hear it clearly and it was loud. It used to drive me up the wall. I neither disliked nor liked the piece of music, it just <i>was</i>. Never anything else. Fast forward to the end of '80 and by now I'm into Purple for 13 months and one day I notice that my Dad's shirts are soaking in a bucket of soapy water and the front pocket is stuffed with money notes so I rescued them, grilled them dry {it was a small fortune} and figured I should use one of the notes to see if it still could be counted as legal tender because they were kind of faint. <br />So I went and bought "Made in Japan" !<br />I was digging it when I put one side on and I burst out laughing when "Smoke on the water" came on. I immediately recognized it as that tune that person learning the guitar all those years ago used to play.<br />Deep Purple's version was much better. I still love it now.<br /><br /> ColScott said:<br /><br /> <b>Grim lives in the UK where privacy is no longer a thing</b><br /><br />It certainly is with <i>me</i> but you're right in a way. Among kids, teens, young people and {at the risk of probably deserved ire} females, it seems to be way less of a concern than to some of us older folk that grew up in perhaps more, paranoid times. I mean, I still marvel at people that don't have curtains in their flats & houses.<br /><br /> Gorodish said:<br /><br /> <b>Wow, just read that Irving Kanarek passed away Sept. 2nd, age 100!!</b><br /><br />To quote David, <i>"Why does this not surprise me in the slightest."</i><br /><br /><br />grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-71838818480403708542020-09-04T22:05:39.171-04:002020-09-04T22:05:39.171-04:00I also prefer the Made In Japan versions of Highwa...I also prefer the Made In Japan versions of Highway Star and Smoke on the Water.Mr. Humphrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18206702171683458150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-87501270437101511582020-09-04T13:57:14.145-04:002020-09-04T13:57:14.145-04:00David, I agree about the Epix documentary. It was ...David, I agree about the Epix documentary. It was really well done. They are all streaming on Epix. You can get a seven day free trial to watch. Very thorough and interesting. Monicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01571929710287716239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-4846736475277670092020-09-04T04:25:14.468-04:002020-09-04T04:25:14.468-04:00Wow, just read that Irving Kanarek passed away Sep...Wow, just read that Irving Kanarek passed away Sept. 2nd, age 100!!Gorodishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16554015159612108936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-40254910233831099302020-09-04T04:11:35.297-04:002020-09-04T04:11:35.297-04:00Episodes 01 & 03 are on YouTube
Episode 02 i...Episodes 01 & 03 are on YouTube <br /><br />Episode 02 is not...yet<br /><br />Episode 01<br /><br />https://youtu.be/m7a6TqM_qpE<br /><br /><br />Episode 03<br /><br />https://youtu.be/dwO7rpRJ4KA<br /><br />Hard to watch the Oxygen and Epix programs here in CanaduhDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17388908256992077315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-36539044499292070262020-09-04T02:53:32.882-04:002020-09-04T02:53:32.882-04:00Grim said: "So by the time I actually heard M...Grim said: "So by the time I actually heard MH, the live versions had already insinuated themselves into my consciousness and with the exception of "Space Trucking," never stood a chance with me."<br /><br />Why does this not surprise me in the slightest. <br /><br />Now to change the subject, again: The Epix Helter Skelter and American Myth I found, actually to be the best TV version of the story to date. A couple images/video bits I had not seen or not seen in their entirety and they interviewed Allen Swerdoff (even if they only used 2 minutes of it). Very Share, Lake, Guinn but not bad for the masses. IMODavidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-56311890073838667212020-09-04T02:19:25.492-04:002020-09-04T02:19:25.492-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Gorodishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16554015159612108936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-77662348591936828342020-09-04T02:10:46.308-04:002020-09-04T02:10:46.308-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Gorodishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16554015159612108936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-80827719414107028812020-09-03T23:04:25.901-04:002020-09-03T23:04:25.901-04:00I of course fell into that album/band due to Smoke...I of course fell into that album/band due to Smoke On the Water. I bought it and immediately played side 2. Then I flipped it over and played side one: Highway Star: <br /><br />Nobody gonna take my car<br />I'm gonna race it to the ground<br />Nobody gonna beat my car<br />It's gonna break the speed of sound<br />Oooh it's a killing machine<br />It's got everything<br />Like a driving power big fat tires<br />And everything<br /><br />After that I was all about: I want to play like that. Never did. <br /><br />It was probably the sixth or seventh album I ever bought. Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-40458517458875557462020-09-03T20:48:42.399-04:002020-09-03T20:48:42.399-04:00Grim- Machine Head is one of the few albums that I...Grim- Machine Head is one of the few albums that I can listen to in total without skipping a track. I love all the songs on it. AstroCreephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14400828131305289484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-56084620672623598462020-09-03T20:43:19.558-04:002020-09-03T20:43:19.558-04:00David- Machine Head is one of my faves too. As a k...David- Machine Head is one of my faves too. As a kid, my first chance to see them was Perfect Strangers Tour in 84. DP and early Sabbath built the foundation of the music I love and play. AstroCreephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14400828131305289484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-87538053177456097452020-09-03T03:41:13.560-04:002020-09-03T03:41:13.560-04:00Matt said:
Not a big deal Grim. Anyone can fi... Matt said:<br /><br /> <b>Not a big deal Grim. Anyone can figure it out if they want, I’d just rather it not be on the blog</b><br /><br />Cool, point taken. 👨⚖️<br />Ironically, I didn't actually know that was her name as in that Brooks interview, he uses some names that were either aliases {eg Dianne Bluestein} or names that the person hasn't been commonly known by {the present subject]. <br /><br /> David said...<br /><br /><b>Machine Head is one of the best albums ever-IMO</b><br /><br />I have a funny relationship with Machine Head. I was already in love with "Shades of...," "In rock," "Fireball" and "Come taste the band" by the time I came to hear "Made in Japan" and I loved the Machine Head versions on that live album {at the time I didn't know they were from MH}. So by the time I actually heard MH, the live versions had already insinuated themselves into my consciousness and with the exception of "Space Trucking," never stood a chance with me. But "Maybe I'm a Leo," "Pictures of home," and "Never before" are 3 of my favourite Purple tracks and criminally underrated, in my opinion. My actual personal "Machine Head" is actually a combo of songs from the album and "Made in Japan."<br />Richie Blackmore remains one of my favourite guitarists from that period.<br /><br /> DebS said...<br /><br /> <b>My guess is that it was Charlie who dubbed her Juanita, she was on her way to Mexico when she encountered the Family. It sounds like a connection he would make</b><br /><br />That sounds plausible, given her real name and maybe by then Juan Flynn was on the scene......of course, that means that Paul Watkins is talking bullshit {ie, lying to impress} in his autobiography seeing as though in his account, he introduces her to Charlie and she already has told Paul her name 🙃; the fact that they laugh about the 'Wildebush' part is the hook to the story he tells.<br />grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-661865754807020372020-09-02T23:10:47.770-04:002020-09-02T23:10:47.770-04:00Milly James said: "That was a spelling joke B...Milly James said: "That was a spelling joke BTW. Ritchie Blackmore. No offence meant."<br /><br />Machine Head is one of the best albums ever-IMO. It inspired me to pick up a guitar back then.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-64356866911075542572020-09-02T19:30:40.112-04:002020-09-02T19:30:40.112-04:00Not a big deal Grim. Anyone can figure it out if t...Not a big deal Grim. Anyone can figure it out if they want, I’d just rather it not be on the blog.<br /><br /><br />Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-30149933232168324062020-09-02T18:26:46.874-04:002020-09-02T18:26:46.874-04:00Gorodish said...
grim typed:
What was in... Gorodish said...<br /><br /> <b>grim typed:<br /><br /> <i>What was in it that was deletable ?</i><br /><br /> Most likely Juanita's real name</b><br /><br />Well, that was something of a guess; I was just boxing clever. If the name I gave as her first name actually <i>is</i> her first name, well, it's been in the public domain since at least 2012 on Cielo's site. And her surname has been in the public domain since at least 1974 in "Helter Skelter." We know the name of the guy she married. I've known it since 1978. So it wasn't rocket science to work out from all this stuff what her name might be. <br />The other thing I said was that I found it novel that the Family had a Juan and a Juanita.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-44529794729035803142020-09-02T18:07:28.049-04:002020-09-02T18:07:28.049-04:00That was a spelling joke BTW. Ritchie Blackmore. ...That was a spelling joke BTW. Ritchie Blackmore. No offence meant. Milly Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03612495681178122993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-28573900963981828012020-09-02T18:00:58.198-04:002020-09-02T18:00:58.198-04:00Broadmoor. Apologies. If I get any 'more'...Broadmoor. Apologies. If I get any 'more' tied up I'll end up with the 'black' bloke from Rainbow.Milly Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03612495681178122993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-54214683610731930272020-09-02T17:53:48.175-04:002020-09-02T17:53:48.175-04:00For folks in the UK, there is a very good document...For folks in the UK, there is a very good documentary on about Broadmore right now. Milly Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03612495681178122993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-14853603529562136652020-09-02T07:59:14.351-04:002020-09-02T07:59:14.351-04:00Taborfresca posed a good question: is this intervi...Taborfresca posed a good question: is this interview for real with the real JW? Very illuminating if so ....Dan Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17058602981660065969noreply@blogger.com