tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post4322886896635307749..comments2024-03-27T21:24:06.590-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: The Death Penalty and the Fairness of California's Parole SystemMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-42455187617589584672014-09-10T12:18:46.801-04:002014-09-10T12:18:46.801-04:00One half of the human brain deals with emotion and...One half of the human brain deals with emotion and the other half intellectual / analytical thinking.<br /><br />So where does the "spirit" thought (soul) dwell ? Is it merely an individual's mixture of emotional and intellectual thinking ? The "intermixing" of types of thought is what gets us ALL into trouble OR provides US with a path to good FORTUNE. Cookies does it for some - religion or politics for others, BUT in the end, ALL roads lead to a DEAD end.<br /><br />IF you don't know how to drive, it's probably best to get OFF the highway.<br /><br />Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-11353640207244745422014-09-10T00:52:16.437-04:002014-09-10T00:52:16.437-04:00Col Sanders, your cranky, insultive, holier than t...Col Sanders, your cranky, insultive, holier than thou, opinionated, grumpy scribblings never cease to make me laugh At you(Never laughing WITH you..sorry). You are good for a laugh. Now be a good Grandpa and go eat your bucket of chicken at Spawn Ranch, followed by a Geritol tablet and some BenGay cream.. Finger lickin' good. mmm mmm good.John Segerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13870704063219582222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-54427322058544053542014-09-10T00:05:40.434-04:002014-09-10T00:05:40.434-04:00I do believe that Bruce Davis and Van Houten would...I do believe that Bruce Davis and Van Houten would definitely have been out of prison years ago if not for their connection to the Manson family. So yes I also agree that the term political prisoner applies to them. Personally I think they need to stay where they are and I'm glad to see them doing just that. I feel all people who murder when it isn't self defense or with some kind of sane reasoning behind it deserve to stay in prison. One other difference I see between the " Manson" murders and the others being discussed here is that the others were done by people towards other people that they knew. There was a connection. That takes away the fear factor for a lot of people. Whether it was a case of jealousy with one woman killing another over a man, or the second case mentioned when it was teenage kids killing parents. Both were very heinous crimes and seemingly needing the harshest punishments possible. IMO they should still be locked up. However, another difference between these crimes and the Manson murders ( besides the "notoriety" of the victims in Tate/LaBianca case) is that these others killed people they knew and for a reason. A messed up reason to be sure but that doesn't make the general public afraid of them in the way the Manson Murderers did. Rightly or wrongly to this day many people still think these were random killings ordered by a madman and carried out by a bunch of bloodthirsty people who seemed to have no problem slaughtering people, quite the opposite they talked about enjoying it. So, I do see the difference in the cases. It's not just the notoriety of the victims, it's that the TLB crimes made people feel that they could be vulnerable...when the woman killed her "love interest" or the young kid killed parents it's as horrible as any other crimes you read about but it doesn't make you afraid for yourself. The Manson murders did do that, and it's just my opinion but I feel like that is another factor as to why the Manson killers are still in prison and will probably stay there. People felt vulnerable and that it could be them next. Letting these murderers free would be a lot more upsetting to the public than letting the lady free who killed her lovers spouse all those years ago. JMO anyway, and something that came to mind earlier.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-7312469478010768162014-09-09T22:10:41.532-04:002014-09-09T22:10:41.532-04:00Another notorious California criminal formally sen...Another notorious California criminal formally sentenced to death, Charles "Chuck" Riley may soon see freedom.<br /><br />In June of 1975 Chuck and his sixteen year old girlfriend Marlene Olive brutally beat and shot her parents to death then burned the bodies in a remote area of Marin County.<br />The crime shocked California to its core.<br /><br />Marlene escaped harsh punishment because of her age.<br />California had soft laws on the books for juvenile offenders.....she did a few years in CYA.<br />Chuck on the other hand was nineteen......he was sentenced to death.<br />His sentence was overturned because of technicalities....like the Manson crew.<br /><br />Chuck has been a model prisoner for nearly forty years.<br />Fourteen failed parole attempts.<br />Now......a California appeals court has ruled that Chuck has "gained maturity and insight during his decades in prison, poses little risk of violence and should be paroled".<br /><br />California certainly does have a broken system.<br /><br />I have followed this case for years.<br />A tragic story and great book "Bad Blood, A Family Murder In Marin County".sbuch113https://www.blogger.com/profile/01794368422535955408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-75392569221929843692014-09-09T17:18:03.747-04:002014-09-09T17:18:03.747-04:00♪ ♫ Wooly Bully ♪ ♫♪ ♫ Wooly Bully ♪ ♫Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-87571176954235173042014-09-09T15:47:15.407-04:002014-09-09T15:47:15.407-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Dilligafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07052411066646010067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-51434439983861459942014-09-09T15:46:55.134-04:002014-09-09T15:46:55.134-04:00I thought a L7 was a machine gun.I thought a L7 was a machine gun.beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-29972486384773538732014-09-09T15:19:38.947-04:002014-09-09T15:19:38.947-04:00Patty's best friend got good and drunk once an...Patty's best friend got good and drunk once and was sitting on the toilet. She looked down at the tag on her panties and it said "L-7." That's what she and Patty always thought it meant...Matt yours makes more sense...lolPatty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-12922395611595842482014-09-09T14:45:12.846-04:002014-09-09T14:45:12.846-04:00When I was a kid L7 was code for someone being a s...When I was a kid L7 was code for someone being a square.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-19704140837422166582014-09-09T14:28:34.941-04:002014-09-09T14:28:34.941-04:00I didnt say she was eloquent. Not like Pizza Fold...I didnt say she was eloquent. Not like Pizza Folding Matt!ColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-4618102219715800242014-09-09T14:21:18.439-04:002014-09-09T14:21:18.439-04:00Oops, that's Isla, not Islandd. HI STONEY!Oops, that's Isla, not Islandd. HI STONEY!Patty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-77440203805120877492014-09-09T14:20:16.318-04:002014-09-09T14:20:16.318-04:00Patty met Danita once...well sort of...she was sit...Patty met Danita once...well sort of...she was sitting on a sofa in Island Vista. Patty's friend who wrote for the school paper (who went on to blog for the LA Times and is now head of social media for The Academy) said, "Patty, this is Danita." Patty said, "Hi! I love your music!" Danita said, "uh."Patty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-20507780035589786392014-09-09T14:06:47.704-04:002014-09-09T14:06:47.704-04:00Matt- no problem The Col can always answer for you...Matt- no problem The Col can always answer for you. Do you really need the opinions of anonymous posters of the internet? What are you, twelve?<br /><br />Patty- we used L7 in a film - Danita is awesomeness.<br /><br />M. Hendrickson- do you spend your nights filling in fortune cookies or something?ColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-71103952609496084892014-09-09T13:52:49.090-04:002014-09-09T13:52:49.090-04:00hey robert....i havent found any turds yet..LMAO!!...hey robert....i havent found any turds yet..LMAO!!!..BUT I WILL KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR THEM...i did find some ''coors'' beer cans..maybe craigs beer?.lol...''its already 9am and craigs already crack a coors beer''..(inside the manson gang)...if you could just remember how he opened it that would be interesting.?..i have found a lot of pull-tabs and 2 church keys for opening a beer can...did craig ever carry a key to open beer..??...if your showing up at the ranch and you say craigs cracking a beer..im guessing it was a pull-tab beer can..it would have been easier..right.??..im just guessing here....lol..i know its just a beer can i dug up,but i try to find a story to why its there.??..sounds meaningless,but to me it's fun and history....lol..stoner van houtenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18383669843933025765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-36122205273868580922014-09-09T13:51:51.962-04:002014-09-09T13:51:51.962-04:00Well thanks for clearing that up for us, Col. No n...Well thanks for clearing that up for us, Col. No need for anyone else to offer their opinion or knowledge - the difference is the notoriety. Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-3537959853930555122014-09-09T13:48:53.056-04:002014-09-09T13:48:53.056-04:00Oh Look that self righteous L and O Buffoon Dillig...Oh Look that self righteous L and O Buffoon Dilligaf migrated to the big leagues over here at MISTER MATTS TLB FROLICS.<br /><br /><br />The crimes are the same. The difference is the notoriety. Life ain't fair. If Bobby or Leslie were just killers, they'd be out. But so be it. The best solution is THOU SHALT NOT KILL.ColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-81716002270423301412014-09-09T13:11:49.963-04:002014-09-09T13:11:49.963-04:00YEH ! Patty, that's what I'm talking about...YEH ! Patty, that's what I'm talking about: Lead singer pulls used tampon out of HER vagina and tosses it to the crowd. Young'ns eat that stuff up.<br /><br />Reminds me when stopped by Sheriff Ward and Highwayman Pursell in Death Valley. I start filming (see Inside the MANSON Gang) and Kevin gets out of the truck - pulls his pants down - and takes a shit right there by the side of the road. As if none of this shit is going to bother him, Craig calmly lights up one of his trademark Camels. Even the two cops pay NO attention, but after we left I bet they went and got the turds for evidence they did some work that day.<br /><br />Hey Stonner find any turds at Spahn Ranch - check the DNA with Manson's and you may have something valuable. Ohhhh - without need for DRAMA we all would be Republicans.<br /><br />Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-45810077614006188562014-09-09T12:08:27.029-04:002014-09-09T12:08:27.029-04:00When the drama gets to Patty she hops in the Jeep ...When the drama gets to Patty she hops in the Jeep and blasts some fucking L7:<br /><br />"one and one and one is two<br />We got a drama<br />I'm watching tv and I don't need you<br />Bring on the drama<br />I'll tell you something and you know it's true<br />You're full of drama<br />My piss is yellow and the sky is blue<br />We got a drama<br /><br />Spare me<br />You're draining me!!!!"<br /><br />Yeah baby...Music soothes the soul<br />Patty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-21849443211022858432014-09-09T10:40:02.812-04:002014-09-09T10:40:02.812-04:00I just found out the famous early American PAUL RE...I just found out the famous early American PAUL REVERE was an out-an-out PRINT "pirate."<br /><br />YES - he got a hold of another man's artwork and published it - even before the artist had a chance to publish his own work. That raises the question - How illegal was it three hundred years ago to steal another man's work ? <br />Remember - Squeaky was given a LIFE sentence for ATTEMPTING to KILL a US President. Most folks don't realize that our LAWS and supposed SYSTEM of Justice have evolved over time. <br />NEW laws are written and changed all the time. In fact - if Congress is NOT busy writing NEW laws - we think Congress is just a waste of taxpayer's money. <br />AND if Judges do not exercise arbitrary discretion in their decision making, what do we need a judge for ? A clerk could issue a correct sentence and CORRECT parole decision.<br /><br />BUT then, there would be NO drama - and without drama - there would be NO entertainment - and without entertainment - well, there wouldn't be much to talk about around the water cooler - and that could lead to the collapse of the great American empire.<br /><br />DRAMA is a drug. Look more carefully and see if you can identify the "drama addicts" in your circle of friends. Maybe JFK, LBJ and the Manson Family were simply a bunch of "drama queens" providing US all with some really far-out entertainment. Oh, what a TRIP.<br /><br />Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-30793349270603566632014-09-09T03:06:22.072-04:002014-09-09T03:06:22.072-04:00You're right Dilligaf - the crimes aren't ...You're right Dilligaf - the crimes aren't the same. <br /><br />But there's a big difference between a well known (internationally) case vs an unheard of case. <br /><br />Again, I'm not arguing for their release...but the fact is they carry a MAJOR disadvantage compared to the average murderer/criminal, regardless of the totality of the crime(s).Max Frosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06931165830559683001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-57774373996848805522014-09-09T03:04:26.900-04:002014-09-09T03:04:26.900-04:00Has anyone who has receive the sentence "life...Has anyone who has receive the sentence "life without the possibility of parole" (not available in Tate/Labianca era) been paroled? I think not. Therefore, life sentences do (now) exist. Jennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16318651628897411177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-5900134375440368892014-09-08T18:48:48.720-04:002014-09-08T18:48:48.720-04:00Word-up, Carol and Chris!Word-up, Carol and Chris!Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-75055341791880697262014-09-08T18:40:53.851-04:002014-09-08T18:40:53.851-04:00Hi, Matt. CrisPOA made a good point - that there ...Hi, Matt. CrisPOA made a good point - that there is no such thing as a life sentence anymore. Maybe there are three reasons why the TLB murderers are still in prison: 1. They killed multiple people 2. Their victims were famous and connected to Hollywood 3. The victims had an incredible advocate in Doris Tate.CarolMRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06357698369178272616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-22160253336940443772014-09-08T14:56:39.055-04:002014-09-08T14:56:39.055-04:00I don't know, Carol. Details on this case are ...I don't know, Carol. Details on this case are very hard to come by, but crimes of passion don't normally incur the death penalty. <br /><br />Also, given that she tampered with the crime scene evidence, moved the body, etc to make it look like an accident makes me think she planned it out.<br /><br />It's the progression from Death Row to Life to Parole that is the head scratcher for me.<br /><br />Dill, do you know of any way to get info on this case?<br /><br />Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-71153196405549881912014-09-08T14:53:01.985-04:002014-09-08T14:53:01.985-04:00It's just the same to me: parole in life sente...It's just the same to me: parole in life sentence? So there's no such thing as a life sentence.CrisPOAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09295095196597816876noreply@blogger.com