tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post4597904992887813314..comments2024-03-27T21:24:06.590-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: MansonBlog Tour 2018: Heartbreak and Change of Heart about the Manson GirlsMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger159125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-81891745075317299582018-06-10T21:34:31.715-04:002018-06-10T21:34:31.715-04:00Coming out of lurker mode again. I actually don...Coming out of lurker mode again. I actually don't see Tec as much different than the girls: wanting to be accepted, & I believe Charlie played him too. This is not any sympathy for him: he killed. But I do think meth had to do with that, among other issues.tinkse7enhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17760596928189633017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-80404054734276123502018-06-08T09:51:27.241-04:002018-06-08T09:51:27.241-04:00Dan,
I should have said ‘supposed’ to be the bait...Dan,<br /><br />I should have said ‘supposed’ to be the bait.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-65787523568793055332018-06-08T03:31:49.332-04:002018-06-08T03:31:49.332-04:00David, why would they think Hinman would join the ...David, why would they think Hinman would join the family? If EJB was the bait why didn't they put her on the hook? Plus family testimony, even with dates (maybe particularly with dates) is not credible. It is interesting, though, and our only portals to any clues sometimes (and thanks for summing it up for me).<br /><br />Maybe the thinking was the musical connection. Just how much family jamming did GH do? If he was a teacher i doubt he'd be blown away by them. Brooks and Paul sound amazing in Hendrickson's Manson and Clem and Gypsy were talented and BB had some talent and charisma. There could have been some special totally liberating jamming GH partook in and maybe that's why they thought he'd come on board.<br /><br />Anyway, how could EJB be the bait if she didn't go to persuade him? Dan Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17058602981660065969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-46279608665498356482018-06-07T22:52:39.225-04:002018-06-07T22:52:39.225-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04826377117003059915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-58967143984222284982018-06-07T22:52:26.858-04:002018-06-07T22:52:26.858-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04826377117003059915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-72682831665363638922018-06-07T22:52:08.344-04:002018-06-07T22:52:08.344-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04826377117003059915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-77150463400346737032018-06-07T22:50:49.262-04:002018-06-07T22:50:49.262-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04826377117003059915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-36443268215030628062018-06-07T22:35:04.471-04:002018-06-07T22:35:04.471-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04826377117003059915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-64601840958492726532018-06-07T22:10:39.950-04:002018-06-07T22:10:39.950-04:00Thank you for your serviceThank you for your serviceAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04826377117003059915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-92162488383975502862018-06-07T21:18:27.123-04:002018-06-07T21:18:27.123-04:00Peter,
I suspect that book is about a different Sh...Peter,<br />I suspect that book is about a different Shorty and Clem.Orwhuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00872103754747037178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-75157233338531133942018-06-07T19:47:51.878-04:002018-06-07T19:47:51.878-04:00This is the book you want
https://www.amazon.co...This is the book you want <br /><br />https://www.amazon.com/Shorty-Clem-Michael-Slack/dp/0062421581Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08760641498649508874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-45509389862106717652018-06-07T19:43:51.726-04:002018-06-07T19:43:51.726-04:00It's not the worst of the books to turn into a...It's not the worst of the books to turn into a movie. It's manageable because it's a first person narrative. But Snake wasn't the most interesting and too much of the book is her early life and that's just not that interesting either. <br /><br />I would pass Colonel.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08760641498649508874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-79923342313959620372018-06-07T17:52:18.833-04:002018-06-07T17:52:18.833-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.ColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-60300271906597527082018-06-07T17:18:14.573-04:002018-06-07T17:18:14.573-04:00comment reconstituted
starship- true knowledge co...comment reconstituted<br /><br />starship- true knowledge comes from within<br /><br /><br />Fun Fact- a book agent last night offered me the Snake Lake book to option for film /tv. He did not know that I ran the ONLY Official TLB Blog. I almost choked on my tacosColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-19418698174693024622018-06-07T16:08:27.989-04:002018-06-07T16:08:27.989-04:00Col: Mais je suis innocent!!Col: Mais je suis innocent!!AustinAnn74https://www.blogger.com/profile/06342503212454947554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-30630543217285833542018-06-07T15:56:36.131-04:002018-06-07T15:56:36.131-04:00Patty's real name is Anne Colonel.Patty's real name is Anne Colonel.Patty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-40124764570879784442018-06-07T15:19:00.206-04:002018-06-07T15:19:00.206-04:00Dan,
Ella Jo Bailey was the ‘bait’.
As she tes...Dan, <br /><br />Ella Jo Bailey was the ‘bait’. <br /><br />As she testified, she was one of about a dozen people present when getting money and Hinman came up. She also placed the following in that discussion: Brunner, Atkins, Cooper, Bill Vance, DeCarlo, Grogan, Davis and Beau (she didn’t know his last name), Little Patty, Beausoleil, Morehouse, Krenwinkel, Van Houten, Watson, Kasabian and Manson.<br /><br />Two names came up in the conversation: Melcher and Hinman.<br /><br />She knew Hinman in her own words “quite well” and during the meeting she mentioned Hinman owning his house and having stocks and bonds. She does not mention anything about an inheritance. <br /><br />A few days later she said she was down at the dump at Spahn working with Bill Vance when Manson approached and told her to go with BB to Hinman’s. She was told to get Hinman to join the Family or get him to sign over what he owned. When Manson told her to go she says she shook her head. Then Vance interceded and told Manson she had better things to do on the ranch and that she wasn’t going.<br /><br />She and Vance left on the 28th of July and she never went back. <br /><br />As an aside, the Family’s lack of any concept of ‘time’ seems not to have aflicted Bailey. She recalls in her testimony dates (May 5th, July 26th, July 28th) days of the week (Monday and Friday)times (6:00 p.m., 10:00 p.m., 11:00p.m.) and she differentiates between week days and weekends.<br /><br />When the decision was made to go to Hinman's, Bailey was Manson's first choice because she was fairly close to him. She was ‘chosen’ (her words) to lure him into the Family. <br /><br />I had three takeaways from her testimony. <br /><br />1. Someone actually told Manson to pound sand- it seems he was a bit of a Georgie Porgie.<br />2. When she was asked she and Vance both suspected something bad was going to happen to Hinman.<br />3. She was the 'bait'.<br />Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-59311189610926186182018-06-07T15:10:33.385-04:002018-06-07T15:10:33.385-04:00Would make for one hell of an entertaining movie- ...Would make for one hell of an entertaining movie- did you read the book? AstroCreephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14400828131305289484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-36887938055200138492018-06-07T14:49:41.651-04:002018-06-07T14:49:41.651-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.ColScotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04198505620789173534noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-43131598494858732692018-06-07T11:51:35.259-04:002018-06-07T11:51:35.259-04:00Drug burn does seem like BS. Remember how Bobby s...Drug burn does seem like BS. Remember how Bobby says he didn't want his parents to find out he was a killer, (hence his initial stance of innocence); what about having them find out he was doing gay stuff with the family? <br />It fits the manson paradigm. Control through sex and GH was gay right? <br /><br /><br />Maybe GH was not so gay after all and it got really awkward, or BB couldn't go through with his instructions so he got strong arm... I realize the girls would have probably spilled the beans about that plan but they might not have been in on it and Charlie was always good at keeping secrets.Dan Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17058602981660065969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-22296658367369900522018-06-07T11:12:25.454-04:002018-06-07T11:12:25.454-04:00It's nice seeing it laid out like that, AA. I ...It's nice seeing it laid out like that, AA. I agree. G. Greene-Whytehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16687404262559321867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-82571809661932702322018-06-07T09:51:41.287-04:002018-06-07T09:51:41.287-04:00Dan, the truths/half truths is based on opinion: m...Dan, the truths/half truths is based on opinion: my own. Throughout BB's hearing transcripts, you'll notice some instances were he admits things the way they really happened, as an example, he gets asked by the DA in 2010 if he killed GH because CM told him to, and he said YES, but then he starts in on Danny DeCarlo, etc. He has an answer for everything, but they don't make sense. I read someone's comment on Cielodrive.com and they wrote that the timeline doesn't make sense with BB's version. Check it out:<br />What makes the story highly suspect are all the attendant details that, when put together, form a picture that strains credibility. Just one example of many; Bobby claims that the Straight Satans threatened him because Hinman's drugs were supposed to be bad. But if he delivered the drugs late on the Friday {he claims he picked them up from Gary on Friday night} and was at Gary’s by the Saturday afternoon demanding the money back, then the timeline is way too tight.<br />In trying to get away from the prosecution narrative of holding Hinman hostage from the Friday to the Sunday, Bobby claims they were only there for 30 something hours. So given that a mescaline trip lasted anything from 8-14 hours {and sometimes, even longer than that} and Bobby was supposedly at Gary’s by Saturday afternoon, at what point between the late hours of Friday and early on the Saturday afternoon did the Straight Satans and the other bikers at the party distribute and manage to ingest 1000 capsules of mescaline {Bobby says there were no drugs left over to verify whether or not they were bad}, get sick, determine all the takers were ill and the drugs were the cause, be fit enough to make their way across LA to Spahn after psychedelic bad tripping, find Bobby, threaten him with knives and violence and demand their money back and Bobby then find Charlie, ask him for advice, then locate Danny DeCarlo for advice on what to do then find Bruce to be given a gun and advice…….<br />It’s so lopsided. So much doesn’t fit but most telling of all, aside from Mary, Susan, Danny, Kitty Lutesinger, Ella Jo Bailey and Bruce not backing up Bobby’s tale, even Charlie, who is meant to be the one that corroborates his story, contradicts him at crucial points in the story. One cannot believe both of them because they cancel out each other.AustinAnn74https://www.blogger.com/profile/06342503212454947554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-37873333869464533632018-06-07T09:32:06.917-04:002018-06-07T09:32:06.917-04:00I don’t view Hinman as the kickoff to Helter Skelt...I don’t view Hinman as the kickoff to Helter Skelter but it’s one of the factors that lead to the kickoff- Lotsapoppa, Straight Satans, and Hinman all of equal importance. Those events lit the fuse and are all contributing factors. At the same time, they’re stealing cars left and right- have helicopters flying over the ranch- Dennis Wilson tells Charlie he can suck it- little coward finally snapped and had his minions go do his thing for him. AstroCreephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14400828131305289484noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-74974529952356711962018-06-07T04:08:03.964-04:002018-06-07T04:08:03.964-04:00Cupid was sent as the young bait. Could that be th...Cupid was sent as the young bait. Could that be the angle? <br /><br />Also i think the sheer immaturity of the group seems important. It's like Lord of the Flies up in there and Tex is Piggy, well not Piggy but some goon trying to fit in.<br /><br />Seriously tho about BB as a sex object for GH, then it all starts to make some sense. Dan Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17058602981660065969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-87111432187679110012018-06-06T21:12:06.040-04:002018-06-06T21:12:06.040-04:00Ah .... Cielo.... Kasabian. That would be four.
W...Ah .... Cielo.... Kasabian. That would be four.<br /><br />What is consistent at Cielo and Waverly is the ‘instructions’.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.com