tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post4922818170397374847..comments2024-03-18T15:40:57.986-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Programmed Horrors: Charlie Manson, Orange Sunshine LSD and more MKULTRAMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-32879394440935487982021-04-27T09:43:38.592-04:002021-04-27T09:43:38.592-04:00Long before Bugliosi got involved with the case, p...Long before Bugliosi got involved with the case, people were talking about Manson's obsession with Helter Skelter. That being said, I don't think HS was the motive for the TLB murders. That went much higher as part of an MHChaos and COINTELPRO operation to discredit the counterculture.<br />Manson admitted this during the trial in his closed-court testimony by blaming the murders on counterculture's music and voices against the war.PaulHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02965666446497527968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-29149437453122224512014-07-29T21:11:35.497-04:002014-07-29T21:11:35.497-04:00Hi, all...
Pausing in my usual occupation of &quo...Hi, all...<br /><br />Pausing in my usual occupation of "lurker" to note something that was news to me (maybe not to everyone else here)...Hope this isn't too o.t. or isn't old news to y'all...<br /><br />In the post it's mentioned that Manson was a fan of Heinlein's "Stranger in a Strange Land"...but has anyone made the connection between the whole "Helter Skelter" thing and another of Heinlein's works: "Farnham's Freehold" (you can read a plot synopsis here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farnham's_Freehold)? <br /><br />Maybe a stretch, but the elements are pretty close: white family (with black servant) descend into a hole (a bomb shelter) and end up in a society where Africans now rule the world and keep whites as slaves...<br /><br />Ok not an exact match...but either a. maybe the basis for the whole HS idea (if you believe it really was the motive)...or b. the basis for a great misunderstanding (Manson tells a stolen, bastardized version of the story as a "fairy tale/bedtime story" for the group...and it's taken a bit too seriously by the clan or co-opted as a "motive" by the Bug when it's related to him.)<br /><br />I don't buy the whole HS motive...but it seemed odd to me.<br /><br />Is my tin foil hat too tight again? Or has anyone else made this connection?<br /><br />-Nefaereti (being too lazy to log out of google and into my other account :P)V.A. Serviceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00426821663620185911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-81300357075837042362014-07-29T09:51:21.701-04:002014-07-29T09:51:21.701-04:00AND he ORDERED the St. Valentine Day MASSACRE. Ho...AND he ORDERED the St. Valentine Day MASSACRE. How else would guys remember to get their sweethearts flowers ,at least, one day a year ? <br /><br />OOPS - MASSACRE - another clue ?<br /><br />Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-26156711650062789542014-07-29T03:51:36.884-04:002014-07-29T03:51:36.884-04:00Tax evasion AND introducing white guys to jazz - t...Tax evasion AND introducing white guys to jazz - that Al Capone really was a nasty piece of work.MHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765688604319832245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-9926043894952361182014-07-29T03:47:00.494-04:002014-07-29T03:47:00.494-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.MHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765688604319832245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-17441694171682790132014-07-28T09:59:57.098-04:002014-07-28T09:59:57.098-04:00BOTH is fine. THE DIFFERENCE: - one is the 1973 &...BOTH is fine. THE DIFFERENCE: - one is the 1973 "Establishment" type doc and "Inside the MANSON Gang" is a reflection of my personal journey while filming the Manson Family - made 40 years later.<br /><br />I just saw a great doc on PBS about Al Capone and WOW, the similarities between Big Al and Charlie are striking. Capone became the FIRST "Celebrity Gangster" and Charlie became the FIRST "Celebrated Gangster Entertainer." Both were created by the MEDIA and the public fell in love with their ATTENTION.<br /><br />Of course, Jesse James of the James Gang (also a by-product of the media) broke the ice between the public and "Celebrity" criminals. <br /><br />Did YOU know that Al Capone also had another side ? He actually introduced black "JAZZ" to the "white" public via his Chicago "Speak-easys ? All the greats played his clubs, while still being barred from performing in other "White Only" establishments.<br /><br />Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-6763296382788760142014-07-27T17:09:30.808-04:002014-07-27T17:09:30.808-04:00Owh forgot about the Leary&Manson prison Chat....Owh forgot about the Leary&Manson prison Chat...<br /><br /> When I first read this years ago it was on a webpage which described it as fictional, i.e. Leary had been in the same prison as Manson (and knew it) so made up an account of how things would have gone down if they'd actually "rapped" (as the kidz say these days, amirite?). HellzBellzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17922649120979516836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-83577907485618808642014-07-27T16:19:29.647-04:002014-07-27T16:19:29.647-04:00Charles Manson: Stranger in a Strange Land. Dont h...Charles Manson: Stranger in a Strange Land. Dont have to write more here.....HellzBellzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17922649120979516836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-49415390674267214122014-07-27T13:49:33.064-04:002014-07-27T13:49:33.064-04:00They were both part of one experience so I would a...They were both part of one experience so I would assume they could both be covered in one Q&A.<br /><br />Yay, Robert?Max Frosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06931165830559683001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-63015891161416085632014-07-27T10:56:12.118-04:002014-07-27T10:56:12.118-04:00Nice!
Matt and or RH.....are questions RE:"In...Nice!<br />Matt and or RH.....are questions RE:"Inside The Manson Gang" accepted as well?<br /> That's really where most of my questions aRISE from anyhow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-80062973890361019772014-07-27T10:23:24.838-04:002014-07-27T10:23:24.838-04:00Since Mr. H has agreed to the Q & A, we'll...<b>Since Mr. H has agreed to the Q & A, we'll make that our post for Wednesday. In the mean time, please don't start posting questions yet. Jot them down and keep them handy for then.<br /><br />Thanks, RH!<br /><br /><br /></b>Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-60435070558121140452014-07-27T10:13:44.678-04:002014-07-27T10:13:44.678-04:00Thanks for clarification Max. SEE how most anythi...Thanks for clarification Max. SEE how most anything can be interpreted two or more ways. Q & A ok with me.<br /><br />POST comments made me think: Maybe all Bugliosi wanted was to - at least- get CM into the courtroom where the fireworks would fly. Maybe the "BOOK" deal was already in the works and "IT" needed something UNUSUAL & SPECIAL to make the Manson CASE the "Crime of the Century." Cause without Charles Manson as the STAR and without a MOTIVE like HS "the $$$$ glove doesn't fit." <br /><br />"ROBBERY gone BAD" does NOT get it ! DRUG connection - blah !<br /><br />Remember, Book $$$ deals were already buzzing, before the pretrial hearings even began. Bugliosi had to of - at least- been approached by a publisher. AND if you read Helter Skelter carefully, it is rather obvious that articulate NOTES were taken ALL through the progress of the MANSON case. These NOTES made it easy for a professional writer like Curt Gentry to assemble a great story-line.<br /><br />OH, and Helter Skelter sure worked as an important element for MANSON - the movie !<br /><br />Robert Hendricksonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02880909248364077567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-26258835501672355762014-07-27T09:15:28.666-04:002014-07-27T09:15:28.666-04:00Hey equinox, Bobby's Powerwagon is well docume...Hey equinox, Bobby's Powerwagon is well documented. This was when we visited it a couple of years ago:<br /><br /><b><a href="http://www.mansonblog.com/2012/04/eviliz-tour-2012-day-3.html" rel="nofollow">2012 Tour, Day 3</a></b><br /><br /><br />Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-15934087499379141772014-07-27T09:01:42.791-04:002014-07-27T09:01:42.791-04:00Matt,
this is totally off topic for the thread, b...Matt,<br /><br />this is totally off topic for the thread, but I wanted to bring it to the attention of the readers here. Bobby B has more than one FB page. On one of the pages, on 14 July, a contributor called Nicholas Syracuse posted that he had been out to find Bobby's old power wagon. He did indeed locate it, and contacted Bobby who has confirmed from the photos that it was indeed the vehicle and gives the back story about the vehicle. The text of the email from Bobby is there, together with photos from Mr Syracuse.<br /><br />This is the link:-<br /><br />https://www.facebook.com/realbobbybeausoleil?fref=ts<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-27508201016532689412014-07-27T06:01:03.129-04:002014-07-27T06:01:03.129-04:00It's an expensive book and an entertaining rea...It's an expensive book and an entertaining read, but once you begin checking the facts it all falls apart vey quickly. Don't waste your money...Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-60601231270250676522014-07-27T05:40:48.778-04:002014-07-27T05:40:48.778-04:00Matt,
Thanks for that - I'll read these blog ...Matt,<br /><br />Thanks for that - I'll read these blog entries later today (currently 10.38am UK). It looks like you have saved me quite a bit of money!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-54478885889175713532014-07-27T05:15:44.357-04:002014-07-27T05:15:44.357-04:00equinox234 said...
Have any of you read Nikolas Sc...<i>equinox234 said...<br />Have any of you read Nikolas Schreck's book (2nd Edition)?</i><br /><br /><b>equinox, don't waste your time with that pile of rubbish:</b><br /><br /><b><a href="http://www.mansonblog.com/2013/10/wer7-debunking-bunk-introduction.html" rel="nofollow">"WeR7" - DEBUNKING THE BUNK: An Introduction</a></b><br /><br /><b><a href="http://www.mansonblog.com/2013/10/debunking-bunk-part-1-look-at-joel.html" rel="nofollow">DEBUNKING THE BUNK PART 1: A Look at Joel Rostau</a></b><br /><br /><b><a href="http://www.mansonblog.com/2014/05/debunking-bunk-part-2-timeline.html" rel="nofollow">Debunking the Bunk Part 2: The Timeline</a></b><br />Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-88677998835777697192014-07-27T04:32:45.528-04:002014-07-27T04:32:45.528-04:00Have any of you read Nikolas Schreck's book (2...Have any of you read Nikolas Schreck's book (2nd Edition)? I was looking at an online review of it, and according to the review, NS contends that Abigail Folger and Voytek were murdered when CM returned to Cielo during the night to plant misleading clues. So, if that is true, CM would be fully complicit due to his presence at the time of murder. This is obviously subject to NS' source of information, and the difficulty of getting corroborative evidence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-53731577730737975812014-07-26T22:40:06.308-04:002014-07-26T22:40:06.308-04:00I think we all have questions and hope it happens....I think we all have questions and hope it happens.<br /><br />orwhut said..."I'll need advanced notice to remember the questions that I've had for years."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-73976929007986203162014-07-26T18:07:36.009-04:002014-07-26T18:07:36.009-04:00Robert and Matt,
I too, would enjoy a question sea...Robert and Matt,<br />I too, would enjoy a question seasion about the film. I'll need advanced notice to remember the questions that I've had for years.orwhuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17724866498802431665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-65012888991601652292014-07-26T16:31:10.108-04:002014-07-26T16:31:10.108-04:00Robert,
No I wasn't at all upset. I was addin...Robert,<br /><br />No I wasn't at all upset. I was adding to what Chatsworth Charlie was saying about the quotes on the book. <br /><br />I'm also suggesting a thread dedicated to a Q&A between you and the bloggers about all things MANSON docu.Max Frosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06931165830559683001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-43466432256613088672014-07-26T16:08:54.764-04:002014-07-26T16:08:54.764-04:00I feel if HS were the motive it would have been in...I feel if HS were the motive it would have been introduced at Leslie's retrial.<br />sbuch113https://www.blogger.com/profile/01794368422535955408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-46469017837024667112014-07-26T15:24:54.402-04:002014-07-26T15:24:54.402-04:00Robert H,
If Bugliosi had stuck with prosecuting ...Robert H,<br /><br />If Bugliosi had stuck with prosecuting the actual participants, it would have meant Linda Kasabian getting her just desserts for her part in both evenings' atrocities.<br /><br />I know that Stovitz was pulled off the case because he continued to defy the Judge's ruling on the media coverage. But that was like closing the stable door after the horse had bolted. This case was covered worldwide. In any event, the worst case of a lawyer talking about the case to the media had to be Richard M Nixon!<br /><br />I wonder if part of Stovitz' removal was due to his not pursuing Manson. Why was Bugliosi so hellbent on getting CM? Perhaps there were orders from higher up than the District Attorney's office?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-29792846158518060562014-07-26T15:08:32.067-04:002014-07-26T15:08:32.067-04:00Vermouth,
Thank you. Fortunately, I have no first...Vermouth,<br />Thank you. Fortunately, I have no first hand experience with prison life either.orwhuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17724866498802431665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-16735726147131585422014-07-26T13:15:36.536-04:002014-07-26T13:15:36.536-04:00"One of the first missions of Mind Control co..."One of the first missions of Mind Control conspirators was to kill the messenger who would tell you the truth and build resistance. And kill they have! The Kennedys, King, Lennon"<br /><br />Yeah, the Kennedys, those brave, innocent tellers of truth to power. I expect Oliver Stone and Michael Moore will be next on the hit list.MHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765688604319832245noreply@blogger.com