tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post5081279547300888725..comments2024-03-27T21:24:06.590-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Easton Drive / Rudy WeberMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger46125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-14814029175265911812023-07-01T17:43:44.430-04:002023-07-01T17:43:44.430-04:00Agree 100%Agree 100%Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11695652617882327558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-37195351509439490122023-07-01T17:22:01.244-04:002023-07-01T17:22:01.244-04:00Absolutely agree 💯 %Absolutely agree 💯 %Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11695652617882327558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-59754425701085139372021-07-19T15:21:39.276-04:002021-07-19T15:21:39.276-04:00It would if it implicated him as a drug dealer who...It would if it implicated him as a drug dealer who knew the victims rather than it having been a random slaying commanded by Manson to start a race war. Charles Manson didn’t “rule” Tex to kill anyone and he only told the girls to do what Tex told them to do.<br /><br />Tex had his own agenda with Linda, but it’s not in their best interests to disclose that now as it conflicts with the official narrative. HellNoKittyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15391828956810714958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-85748628605730396942021-07-19T15:15:53.240-04:002021-07-19T15:15:53.240-04:00It would if it implicated him as a drug dealer who...It would if it implicated him as a drug dealer who knew the victims rather than it having been a random slaying commanded by Manson to start a race war. Charles Manson didn’t “rule” Tex to kill anyone and he only told the girls to do what Tex told them to do.<br /><br />Tex had his own agenda with Linda, but it’s not in their best interests to disclose that now as it conflicts with the official narrative. HellNoKittyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15391828956810714958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-440520676484306852021-07-19T15:06:45.128-04:002021-07-19T15:06:45.128-04:00I believe that the girls all are pathological liar...I believe that the girls all are pathological liars and Linda’s dishonesty surpasses even Susan Atkins’ lies. Linda is hardly as innocent as she was made out to be, and also had frequent dealings with Law enforcement in later years and always managed to get a golden ticket out. It is highly probable that the gang was headed over to Sebring’s to get his stash (later Steve McQueen and a few other people went over to get rid of it) , but got spooked and thwarted after encountering Weber.<br /><br /> Drugs played a much bigger role in the murderous rampage at Cielo (both Frykowski and Sebring dealt with and knew Tex through drug channels) . So—It would not have been prudent for Kasabian to discuss a trip to Sebring’s place to get drugs since she was even more involved with Tex and dealing drugs than she ever could feasibly admit as a witness for the prosecution.<br /><br /> Bugliosi seriously downplayed how drugs were integral in both the perpetrators and the victims lives as a key motive for the murders (Sharon wasn’t supposed to be there). Therefore, he was careful to paint Kasabian out to be an innocent little hippie chick who merely had fallen in with the wrong crowd and was pliable enough to not have been thoroughly brainwashed. She played her role very well, but that’s all it was. Don’t forget that she stole $5000 from her husband. That $5000 likely went to purchase a large quantity of illegal substances which inevitably Tex (and not Charlie) brokered the deals for. It’s also significant that at the time of the murders, Tex and Linda were romantically involved, and cohorts in crime. <br /><br />So yes—she was a pathological liar then and still is, and it wouldn’t be conducive for her to ever tell the truth, nor did Bugliosi want to hear it if it conflicted with his “Helter Skelter” race war nonsense. HellNoKittyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15391828956810714958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-11546957725966057492019-06-30T02:37:35.711-04:002019-06-30T02:37:35.711-04:00Who are the only 2 who knew about the drug motive?...Who are the only 2 who knew about the drug motive? LK and stabby....just a possibility as for why no one else blabbed about going to Jay's.Dan Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17058602981660065969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-88732144597991582372013-06-27T02:52:48.534-04:002013-06-27T02:52:48.534-04:00Just an update on David Oman's movie "The...Just an update on David Oman's movie "The House at the End of the Drive". There will be a one night sneak peek in Westwood on August 7th, 2013. He is also hosting a private tour and ghost hunt at this home. For mor info:<br />http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/l-a-sneak-peak-house-at-the-end-of-the-drive-inspired-by-the-manson-murdersCoffeeAddict1969https://www.blogger.com/profile/05617468061384468018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-77500370688449544952013-06-01T19:37:22.132-04:002013-06-01T19:37:22.132-04:00Coffee, that's my understanding but I'm no...Coffee, that's my understanding but I'm no expert on the Cielo Dr. construction. The off-blog reader you refer to is - so I'm going with that.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-91835355999834581612013-06-01T12:19:10.946-04:002013-06-01T12:19:10.946-04:00Thank you Matt and your off-blog reader for clarif...Thank you Matt and your off-blog reader for clarifying my previous comment about the new construction next to David Oman's house. Correct me if I'm wrong but in the older pictures, the only two houses were the Kotts (closest to the gate) and the Asins. New construction was built between the two and next to the Asin's. CoffeeAddict1969https://www.blogger.com/profile/05617468061384468018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-20833357206559277572013-05-23T03:17:25.367-04:002013-05-23T03:17:25.367-04:00http://laurenxlondon.blogspot.com/2011/03/my-visit...http://laurenxlondon.blogspot.com/2011/03/my-visit-to-cielo-drive.html?m=1Max Frosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06931165830559683001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-30281834417029874272013-05-23T01:39:56.742-04:002013-05-23T01:39:56.742-04:00That's probably true. I haven't been up th...That's probably true. I haven't been up there since 2007, the last time I showed someone the place. We happened to be slowly driving by Oman's house just as he was coming out of his front door. He had a bright happy look on his face until the second he saw us and knew why we were up there. The look on his face IMMEDIATELY changed. It was bizarre. It was as though he was suddenly enveloped by a huge dark cloud and lived in a state of perpetual bitterness. He didn't come out. He backed up right away and closed the door.<br /><br />This was surprising to me. I'd seen him on Ghost Hunters and other shows. For a guy who is as eager as he is to be on TV telling his ghost stories, you'd think he'd be a lot more receptive to people visiting the hill. Like, c'mon man, at least invite us in for a Foster's on tap. The dude is a trip.Max Frosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06931165830559683001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-3986997055588192072013-05-22T20:10:01.798-04:002013-05-22T20:10:01.798-04:00I think there should be tours every 6 months lol ...I think there should be tours every 6 months lol the site, the conversation and the peeps who show up to say hello are always at a peak in my opinion when you guys do this...<br /><br />I cant tell you all enough how totally cool this is for all of us and...<br /><br />I cant imagine how cool it must have been for you ;)St. Circumstancehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15415891591944887206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-18535216436668655142013-05-22T20:02:03.706-04:002013-05-22T20:02:03.706-04:00Wow, Jenn, that is interesting info. Watson makes ...Wow, Jenn, that is interesting info. Watson makes my blood run cold. There is something incredibly scary (to me, anyway) in his eyes. There's a pic of him in one of Bill Nelson's books, from high school, running down the football field - & the look in his eyes scares the hell out of me... For some other pics of him from high school http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?index=0&sbk=1&nav=SEARCH&itemId=300907505343 . He's got scary eyes in two of them, too.Trilbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01441933071553215934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-13103771038021067662013-05-22T19:33:55.006-04:002013-05-22T19:33:55.006-04:00I sure am enjoying this discussion; thanks, everyo...I sure am enjoying this discussion; thanks, everyone!<br /><br />Like everyone, I have huge questions about the motive. I tend toward the perfect storm sceanario. I also question why Linda was on the "mission". Because she had a CDL? Yeah..."We're going out to commit murder, we're dressed in black in the middle of the night, the car is filled with knives and at least one gun, and later we'll be covered with blood, but we sure need someone with a valid driver's license in case we're pulled over." lol<br /><br />I work about 2 miles from the San Luis Obispo Men's Colony, where Bruce Davis "lives" and where Watson used to be. I drive by there every day. I didn't live in the area when Watson was there, but I've talked with several people who worked there at the time. When I ask about Davis and Watson, to a person they say, "Davis is no problem and he's nice enough, but there's something about Watson. No one turns their back on him." <br /><br />I'm in L.A. Quite often and this Saturday is one of those days. A few times a year I go around to the Manson sites, and will do so this weekend. I've never been to Waverly. Perhaps I'll get there this weekend. I'll go to Spahn and Cielo for sure, like always. <br /><br />Best wishes to everyone,<br />JennJennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16318651628897411177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-4208395364186988492013-05-22T19:19:03.159-04:002013-05-22T19:19:03.159-04:00you're right of course, Trilby, why is the onl...you're right of course, Trilby, why is the only question. And IT IS a good one. I just have never had any problem whatsoever accepting Charlie's complete assholeness and evilness. And Tex's mindlessness. and the girl's zombieness.<br /><br />I am old. I spent several years arguing with my ex-father-in-law who was 1,000% convinced it was OJ's son from his first marriage, the chubby chef, who actually did the Nicole and Goldman killings.<br /><br />Movie night.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-35512395963203219552013-05-22T19:15:14.638-04:002013-05-22T19:15:14.638-04:00And it's all just my opinion, Leary. I'm i...And it's all just my opinion, Leary. I'm interested in everyone's opinion. Just because I go in one direction with my beliefs doesn't mean I discount anyone else's. There's actually alot of conflicting evidence in this case. I'd love to see a forensic expert analyze the blood evidence. I take with a grain of salt ANYTHING DeCarlo says - where did the alliances lie between the Straights, the Slaves, & the HAs; & who was trafficking for whom? There is a huge amount of conflicting evidence and testimony in this case. I think it's all worth questioning. And I try not to put value judgements on any of the questions. I'm not attached to my opinions because I can't prove them. They're just thoughts. The only time I get annoyed is when anyone insists someone HAS to be wrong - because if anything was certain about this case, we wouldn't still be here asking all these questions, right? Anyhow, Peace :).Trilbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01441933071553215934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-65334257778903475572013-05-22T19:01:21.101-04:002013-05-22T19:01:21.101-04:00And that's the million-dollar question, Leary,...And that's the million-dollar question, Leary, WHY?... Hopefully we'll all split a million when we answer it. Or go crazy trying. Tex reminds me (I loathe the guy, & I can't believe I'm going to use this analogy, b/c I'm nuts about animals, active in rescue and all my furbabies are rescue adoptions) - but, Tex reminds me of a sheepdog whose job is specifically to guard or herd sheep. But one day the dog nips the sheep by mistake, gets a taste of blood, & starts killing sheep. In the dog's case, I'd advocate rehoming him to a Sanctuary with no sheep to live out his natural life. In Tex's case, not so much...). Atkins said in her Grand Jury testimony that they had disposed of the weapons before getting to Weber's. I agree with Matt's assessment of their escape route. They go all the way up BCynDr then turn around and go back to Weber's... Huh?! The killers can never agree on even the slightest details in their re-tellings over the years. Like a liar - or liars- who can't remember their lies. And I think of the protection Tex has had in prison over the years - it's been documented he and Bruce were not subject to the same searches, rules, etc. AND they were in that easy-time prison for years. Doris Tate alleged he was protected by a man named Voit, I forget the first name. A wealthy, powerful guy out of Orange County. What if they stick to the story because they figure their slim-to-none parole chances are better if they stick to the "I was brainwashed" story. Or if they fear what would happen to them if they told the truth. Life in prison is better than being killed in prison. And what is the significance of Kasabian's second husband (whether they were actually married, I've not yet ascertained)? - the guy she was with before Bob Kasabian. This guy was said to be a big-time L.A. drug dealer. I've never understood why Kasabian was along that night. See, one question begats a hundred others until your temples begin throbbing. The only thing I'm certain of is that I'm certain of nothing. But I'd really like to flesh some of the tangential details out. Oh, & here's something I find significant by its absence in all the killers' stories - why does noone EVER mention searching the area above the Cielo garage? You come in the gate, kill Parent, garage is there with bug light on and stairs leading to a second-floor and a door, & you just skip over it and proceed to the main house? Huh?! Trilbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01441933071553215934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-89887548970021386262013-05-22T18:53:54.972-04:002013-05-22T18:53:54.972-04:00I apologize - I really am going to turn the comput...I apologize - I really am going to turn the computer off and go to the movies after this one last vent.<br /><br />Trilby writes "if the overall story is woven of fairydust and entirely deceitful"....<br /><br />What am I missing here?<br /><br />Do we not know with 100% certainty who went to Cielo Drive that night and who killed (putting aside Sadie's claims for the moment)?<br /><br />Do we not know for certain who butchered the LaBiancas?<br /><br />Was there not blood evidence, fingerprint evidence, and weapons, clothing etc etc.?<br /><br />Was there not corroborating testimony from a dozen folk from Watkins to Kitty to Al Springer etc etc?<br /><br />Have not the participants in TLB - save Manson of course - fully admitted to their roles and openly discussed what they believe was the motive for their actions?<br /><br />So tell me please, with all due respect, where the fuck is the fairy dust?<br />Oh yes, motive.<br />I think there may be three people on these boards who believe Helter Skelter was the sole or even primary motive. Most of us accept that is was a "perfect storm" of Charlie's anger and paranoia and such.<br />Were there mob figures behind it all? Canadians? Drug hit squads? the CIA? The Chamber of Commerce?<br />Show me one, just one piece of solid evidence.<br />Fairy dust and entirely deceitful??<br />Man, that is one helluva leap.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-78972678706937151382013-05-22T18:29:30.557-04:002013-05-22T18:29:30.557-04:00Awww, thanks, guys. :). Leary, I enjoy your posts....Awww, thanks, guys. :). Leary, I enjoy your posts. I've never been sure which house was the original 10170, rented by the Kotts - the first or second. Tanya Roberts ("Charlie's Angels", "That 70s Show") once owned it. Still sulking like a 5-year old (my normal mental age anyway) that I'm not on Tour! BTW, when you get to Topanga, stop at Bouboulina's - in front of Pine Tree Circle, across from the old Topanga Shopping Center and the turnoff for Old Topanga Cyn Rd. Bouboulina's is a funky-cool boutique that was an original Topanga cabin. I first went there in the year they opened, '80, when they were on the other side overlooking the creek. Multi-generational Topangans - started by Kathy and now run by her daughter Jess. The greatest original tye-dyes! Maybe they can share some Topanga lore, also. Across is the Topanga Shopping Center - where Neil Young's wife owned The Topanga Kitchen. The Market where Sadie walked to buy the soup, floss, etc. hasn't been remodeled since then, either. Abuelita's is tasty (better than El Coyote!!). Trilbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01441933071553215934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-9059620800034369842013-05-22T18:21:42.740-04:002013-05-22T18:21:42.740-04:00trilby rocks, yes. you too, leary.trilby rocks, yes. you too, leary.Patty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-6704668992902519632013-05-22T18:06:12.513-04:002013-05-22T18:06:12.513-04:00But to answer your question Trilby, as to why Tex ...But to answer your question Trilby, as to why Tex would pull at threads...<br />because he is not a moron, and if he really believes he has a chance at parole he HAS TO KNOW that getting ahead of all and any info/evidence is essential to his chances. He's gone to how many parole hearings claiming to have told all he knows? What happens to his credibility of rehab if suddenly Linda or Pat or the skies part and Charlie himself offers up testimony that they were after drugs and headed to Sebrings etc etc.<br />If you have admitted to butchering seven people why would you lie and deceive about non-criminal matters such as looking for more drugs etc.?<br />I just don't see Tex or Pat or Linda or any of the others being capable of omerta for half a century.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-58772601850182192792013-05-22T17:40:32.233-04:002013-05-22T17:40:32.233-04:00yes, Trilby does rock. And maybe I am just burnt o...yes, Trilby does rock. And maybe I am just burnt out from spending a couple of decades waist deep in the JFK muck.<br />I honestly do remain open to all possibilities with regards to TLB and motive...but at the end of the day I just always come back to Charlie lashing out, Tex going berserk and the girls being zombies.<br />I wish there were more. But 43 years later and all we got is supposition and speculation. Nothing to hang one's hat on.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-35782208540194662672013-05-22T17:31:45.701-04:002013-05-22T17:31:45.701-04:00What was reported in 1969…. 2009?
Here’s a report...What was reported in 1969…. 2009?<br /><br />Here’s a report about the blood drenched clothing found, which was so soaked in gore that the reporter and police instantly knew it must be associated with bloody, Satanic murder which involved blood:<br /><br /><a href="http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=6949052" rel="nofollow"> News Retrospective</a><br /><br />(1:11 – 1:18) Driveway that led to a ???<br /><br />(4:15 – 4:28) Bloody clothes… did they look bloody? Would they look bloody to Weber?<br /><br />(4:40 – 4:47) Covered in blood? Where does this come from? <br /><br />(5:10 – 5:33) Was it bloody clothes or a pile of clothing?<br /><br />The test and clothing change was a great idea, but it obviously discounts a visit to Weber’s house since the clock would still be running. The salient point was the spot afforded the offenders, which could reasonably be FIRST used, as a point to discard the clothing, AND he nailed it. The clothes weren’t mentioned as bloody and the timing was equally irrelevant, but does not detract from the analysis. It was the first opportunity on Benedict Canyon to pull over and toss a pile of clothing from a group of people. The handgun was disposed in a different area, presumably to disconnect it from the clothing and the sheer physics of tossing a small metal item versus a pile of garments.<br /><br />(6:19) Look at that ruthless, cold killer wearing an epic beard and paisley shirt; true human scum.<br /><br />Sometimes the news gets a few things out of whack, even forty years later.Farflunghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17723130825592879022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-20287176058994692942013-05-22T17:04:58.390-04:002013-05-22T17:04:58.390-04:00Trilby rocks, no?Trilby rocks, no?Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-68236546346129902892013-05-22T16:55:06.132-04:002013-05-22T16:55:06.132-04:00amen, trilby.amen, trilby.Patty is Deadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07717777500117142160noreply@blogger.com