tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post5230733891020577567..comments2024-03-27T21:24:06.590-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Screams from Tate murders: Who was it?Matthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger66125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-40729589762490556282020-10-31T03:15:49.307-04:002020-10-31T03:15:49.307-04:00It is quite possible that this voice was from Voyt...It is quite possible that this voice was from Voytek despite the distortion factors that blocked any easy identification from a sound. At one point he was the only man in a situation of extreme adrenaline and out of the house. He probably absorbed a few basic English words in his time with Abigail on Cielo Drive and this in-and-out thing with different people he and Polanski-Tate had contact with. <br /><br />And I believe his body being close to Folger's was a coincidence, he just as Folger was trying to escape blindly and both ran in different directions. You can't even know if he could hear clearly or pay attention to the fight his girlfriend was fighting with other attackers considering his mental state, in a moment between the chaotic thoughts he realized that none of them would come out of that place alive and that those killers would guarantee this. As Tex himself said, he was there to be the executioner just like the rest of the group determined to achieve the perfect scenario of human sacrifice, none of them were there to grant mercy. Frykowski screamed as much as he could in that isolated place until he was too weak for even a whisper.Maria Jons-Kristkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12978682878454796830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-57228194786196670642019-07-27T22:40:44.062-04:002019-07-27T22:40:44.062-04:00Woytek Frykowski at the time of his death still re...Woytek Frykowski at the time of his death still relied on Abigail Folger to translate for him. If he was screaming in English there would have been a heavy Polish/Eastern European accent. Idk, Steven Parent? I thought Frykowski and Sebring had the same blood type, so could it have been Woytek's blood and then Sharon Tate's blood on the porch? The timeline doesn't make sense. Could the killer's have left after killing Parent then returned? Did the killers take time to try and hang Sharon Tate and Jay Sebring's bodies inside? I also don't understand why Watson and Krenwinkel won't tell what really happened that night.deborahz75https://www.blogger.com/profile/13045171724474900508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-58400605117720978002014-12-14T18:08:29.797-05:002014-12-14T18:08:29.797-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02236566945304977023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-61323319528986118712014-12-14T18:08:28.639-05:002014-12-14T18:08:28.639-05:00Frykowski was brave but he made a huge mistake in ...Frykowski was brave but he made a huge mistake in trying to escape out the front door, if he had kept his head for a moment he would have realised that this was a kill or be killed situation, his first action taken should have been to shake off that irritant called Susan Atkins and gone on to stun the Devil in a surprise all out screaming top of his voice attack on his throat and a do or die 100 % bid to put him out of the game, if he managed it Sharon, Abigail and himself would surely have livedTonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02236566945304977023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-66768490446984365202014-12-14T13:29:46.589-05:002014-12-14T13:29:46.589-05:00In Less Than Zero, one of the most frightening boo...In Less Than Zero, one of the most frightening books I have ever read, Bret Easton Ellis describes his affectless teenagers as hearing screams in the hills every night. Sometimes turning off the music to listen. But always just listing 'screams in the night' as an ordinary happening. <br /><br />It's brilliant, that book. It leaves me with a constricted awful hollow scared feeiingfiona1933https://www.blogger.com/profile/00041216158548547908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-35950515093581311352014-12-14T13:25:04.680-05:002014-12-14T13:25:04.680-05:00Mind you, the girls were able to hear Parent plead...Mind you, the girls were able to hear Parent pleading, and canyons play tricks. Never mind canyons, the fact I live in a courtyard with buildings facing in, in a semi-circle which means even low conversation late at night wakes me up. I seem to be right at the centre point of it. fiona1933https://www.blogger.com/profile/00041216158548547908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-23566492865543424282014-12-14T13:22:08.475-05:002014-12-14T13:22:08.475-05:00Yeah, I dont think you need to have much English t...Yeah, I dont think you need to have much English to scream "Oh no, Oh God, don't". He would have been able to access that much English...also the killers were speaking English, not much use pleading in Polish or French, and its amazing how sharp the brain becomes under serious stress, under killing conditions. It doesnt get cloudy or confused, quite the reverse, and reasons much faster. <br /><br />The only other man in the house was Jay and all accounts agree he was killed right off. fiona1933https://www.blogger.com/profile/00041216158548547908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-15688291775604718542014-12-10T17:00:24.897-05:002014-12-10T17:00:24.897-05:00Austin Ann's comment about how Linda could hav...Austin Ann's comment about how Linda could have saved the LaBianca's reminded me of the fact that my favorite Manson gal, Ella Jo Bailey, could have saved them all if she had dropped a dime after she realized they killed her friend Gary and it was HER INFO given to Manson that probably initiated the attack.<br /><br />It sure would be a helluva treat to learn what Ella Jo has been thinking all these years - if she has had guilt or any sense of responsibility. She fled quickly enough when she realized what happened at Hinman's and later came back to testify but the fact remains she did not drop the dime when it could have prevented Cielo and Waverly et all. Gotta be a bitch to live with.leary7https://www.blogger.com/profile/16573687537798248297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-12216229024729238612014-12-09T19:12:43.250-05:002014-12-09T19:12:43.250-05:00HellzBellz,
A while back someone, on this forum, I...HellzBellz,<br />A while back someone, on this forum, I think, stated that Charley might have put the murder weapon in the car, so Bobby would be caught. Whether this is the case or not, he must have been out of his mind to drive Gary's car.orwhuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17724866498802431665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-48009637075152695112014-12-09T18:26:14.575-05:002014-12-09T18:26:14.575-05:00I agree with Chatsworth Charlie on this one. I thi...I agree with Chatsworth Charlie on this one. I think it was Jay, screaming as he saw Sharon being stabbed in the back, outside on the porch and I think Jay was on the walk when it happened. He then was stabbed when he ran to her, hence the scream at the end. I've always thought the official narrative and sequence of events was bullsh*t. Just my opinion, though.<br />As far as Frykowski, he had a fairly notorious reputation as a brawler, according to Roman Polanski and others. I might think of alot of adjectives by which to describe him, but "wimp" would never be one of them (or whatever term it was that was used in one of the above comments.).Trilbyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12310843050495075993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-64983929721801346472014-12-09T08:56:34.052-05:002014-12-09T08:56:34.052-05:00Hellz, yes i thought about the checking thing but ...Hellz, yes i thought about the checking thing but how that didn't matter afterwards? I mean you need valid license to murder but not after that? ;)CrisPOAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09295095196597816876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-76814364015821382472014-12-08T17:07:46.406-05:002014-12-08T17:07:46.406-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.CrisPOAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09295095196597816876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-28458533681626147902014-12-08T13:16:50.360-05:002014-12-08T13:16:50.360-05:00@ CrisPOA, about the ,Licence thing, thats quite o...@ CrisPOA, about the ,Licence thing, thats quite obvious. If you get stopped by cops in lets say just a routine control, then you wont go anny further without a licence,and the cops will check out everything. If you get stopped with having a licence then the possibility you can follow your way is much bigger. And the chance cops digging and checking is much less. You know what I still do not get is this.... Bobby B. caught sleeping in Hinmans car , WITH the Murder weapon,bloody clothes and all. HOW STUPID can one be ???HellzBellzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17922649120979516836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-29233532894146578362014-12-08T11:58:01.747-05:002014-12-08T11:58:01.747-05:00Sorry, "license"Sorry, "license"CrisPOAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09295095196597816876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-31457609936108610992014-12-08T11:55:56.133-05:002014-12-08T11:55:56.133-05:00That thing about the valid licence is funny...so y...That thing about the valid licence is funny...so you are living an outlaw life - auto theft, doing/dealing drugs, stealing....and you worry about a licence? Anyway the girl goes along and after a while some other people take the wheel and the licence doesn't matter anymore. no sense make sense. CrisPOAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09295095196597816876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-48647750162525323032014-12-08T11:14:23.123-05:002014-12-08T11:14:23.123-05:00speaking of no sense making sense I wonder about t...speaking of no sense making sense I wonder about telling Linda to go because she has a license and then there all sorts of accounts on who's doing the driving and then Charlie driving the second night and her along for the same reason.Mr. Humphrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02574243483977353223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-42328516616645428992014-12-08T03:55:52.044-05:002014-12-08T03:55:52.044-05:00Robert:
'It could have even been the result o...Robert:<br /><br />'It could have even been the result of some wild sex act taking place "anywhere" in the hills.'<br /><br />Thank you Robert, for that beautiful window into your world. Can I live one day as Robert Hendrickson please?<br />MHNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04765688604319832245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-10931061421862765842014-12-07T23:09:43.034-05:002014-12-07T23:09:43.034-05:00I always think that Linda could of saved the LaBia...I always think that Linda could of saved the LaBiancas from being slaughtered. If she would of ran off early morning from Spahn ranch, she could of caught a ride to a police station, and sung. They did have her daughter, though. She ended up running away anyway, and leaving her daughter with those scuz ball. No sense makes sense, I guess. AustinAnn74https://www.blogger.com/profile/06342503212454947554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-75335820487957260872014-12-07T22:29:02.997-05:002014-12-07T22:29:02.997-05:00Oh I dont know if she pushed him into the bushes. ...Oh I dont know if she pushed him into the bushes. Not a big stretch to get there though. We only have her word. If he wanted to get away he turned the wrong way and abigail wasnt outside yet. He was in a panic though. Linda said he came out the door, staggered to the post, looked at her, she apologized(what a sweetie) and then he fell in. (helter skelter pg 349) So nobody knows but her and it depends on how credible you think she is. She also said "a man moaned NO NO NO then screamed very loudly from the house", could be the screams that were heard.<br /> Linda didnt have to change, susan said because she didnt have blood on her, but she did get out of the car at webers where they washed. Doesnt mean much but if she was clean it would be better she stayed with the car in case someone came. They almost got pinched there. After all, she was one of the drivers and they did just slaughter a house full of people just down a ways. Maybe she wanted a drink or just some air. The weapons got chucked out after washing up at webers. If weber did reach in and grab at the keys, the bloody clothes and weapons were still in the car so if he spotted that stuff it was likely game over, for either them or rudolph and his wife vixen. At least he got the plate.<br /> I still would have liked to see a defence attorney ask her what she was washing off at the hose if she had no blood on her, just to hear her answer. I know it doesnt mean much at all, but I would have liked to hear it.<br /> I guess i just dont trust much she says so I like to keep all possibilities open. I dont know if she pushed him, but I think she is the reason he turned that way.<br /> I have no doubt she minimized her involvement, so I question almost everything she says and look at all possibilities. Some of its laughable but so is helter skelter.crashhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00624403521546828497noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-26344490310456789972014-12-07T21:32:02.901-05:002014-12-07T21:32:02.901-05:00I've never heard of Linda putting her hands on...I've never heard of Linda putting her hands on anyone there. AustinAnn74https://www.blogger.com/profile/06342503212454947554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-72983179077886919112014-12-07T21:00:22.497-05:002014-12-07T21:00:22.497-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.hippiekillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06411566271142843758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-38439647760462419672014-12-07T20:58:51.532-05:002014-12-07T20:58:51.532-05:00crash said: "He probably screamed it right af...crash said: "He probably screamed it right after linda pushed him into the bushes."<br /><br />Did she really do that or are you just making a joke?hippiekillerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06411566271142843758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-15112493859018786382014-12-07T19:42:47.669-05:002014-12-07T19:42:47.669-05:00@ Cuntry Trash: You know, sometimes I wonder and ...@ Cuntry Trash: You know, sometimes I wonder and ask myself if you actualy did knew/do know some of these people in this Story/Saga.<br />And my thoughts on the screaming ... That almost could not be Garretson. He would have got the killers attention,and then would be envolved, Tex would have finished him off for sure, The orders were to kill EVERYONE there. And sure they could not leave any eye witnesses. Who it was screaming in the carnage..?? I think it was Frykowsky too, because he was the only Male envolved outside, Jay Sebring was shot first,when Tex told them to lay down on the floor,and Sebring protests by saying ,Cant you see She is pregnant ! After that All Hell broke loose,because now they DID REALIZE Tex and Girls were seriously crazy and out to KILL. Panic follows and running scared both ran outside. Sharon was in shoque and hold by Atkins. Sebring was dead at this point. in my opinion they never moved the bodys of Sharon Tate and Sebring to the porch. The blood found there could be from the Towel soaked in both their blood, and Atkins walked on the bloody carpet,to soak the Towel & wrote Pig on the front door.<br />But then again, this is all based on what I did read/seen in Docus and so on. and just as Orwhut sayd ,,We only have the word of the hit squad for this, so, it might be incorrect,,HellzBellzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17922649120979516836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-17556264063398972492014-12-07T19:20:56.399-05:002014-12-07T19:20:56.399-05:00A wuss or not, my guess is that VF screamed as he ...A wuss or not, my guess is that VF screamed as he was wounded and as he was running out of the house either because he saw Tex coming in for him again or for Abigail.<br />I didn't know that in their first encounter he and Abigail spoke in French, so he was that bad in english.<br />But that doesn't mean he couldn't plead for his life in englishCrisPOAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09295095196597816876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-13941047193393332672014-12-07T18:09:05.809-05:002014-12-07T18:09:05.809-05:00Word up, Candy!Word up, Candy!Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.com