tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post5635277561851107579..comments2024-03-27T21:24:06.590-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Charles "Tex" Watson's TexasMatthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger120125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-48617338854458097052021-05-14T11:06:35.546-04:002021-05-14T11:06:35.546-04:00He lived in a rooming house at the corner of Panha...He lived in a rooming house at the corner of Panhandle & Ponder in Denton. It's still there --southwest quadrant. Still very much looks to be a rooming house.Donn Coburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05488177323544059887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-37261921553752526572020-11-30T00:33:57.398-05:002020-11-30T00:33:57.398-05:00So you knocked on our doorSo you knocked on our doorAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02119507396398506608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-26008039754234483702020-07-10T23:32:22.891-04:002020-07-10T23:32:22.891-04:00Does anyone know what happened to his siblings, he...Does anyone know what happened to his siblings, he was the youngest of three children. I just came across this blog, so interesting and informative.Rhonda Forbeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00965676348028413645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-71637232437191319552018-09-26T18:12:20.716-04:002018-09-26T18:12:20.716-04:00When that hideous monster dies behind bars I hope...When that hideous monster dies behind bars I hope they throw his corpse to the dogs. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05242506647346283081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-75171644894263777402018-09-07T23:48:03.449-04:002018-09-07T23:48:03.449-04:00The old people who will talk about Tex said he was...The old people who will talk about Tex said he was a great kid.Taught Sunday school at the Methodist church track star at Farmersville High.I grew up in Dallas so I'm kind of a city guy I grew up with drugs ,conartist and criminals you seen the pics of Copeville now think of it in the 60s.i think Tex went to California got on drugs and meet a conartist Charles Manson being from a small Texas town he was easy to intice.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03662539061382619772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-73844616294242064452018-09-07T23:36:36.092-04:002018-09-07T23:36:36.092-04:00I moved to Copeville in 2000
I never meet the Wats...I moved to Copeville in 2000<br />I never meet the Watson family but the old timers say they where great people.<br />Here’s kind of a funny store I think I threw away the Watson family store accounting books.I didn’t know anything about Tex Watson when I moved to Copeville my house belong to the first teacher in Copeville Ms Cameron I was cleaning out my attics found old log books for a store and threw them away.latter I found out about Watson and the store and Miss Cameron did accounting work.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03662539061382619772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-45459910335924165382018-09-07T23:27:56.070-04:002018-09-07T23:27:56.070-04:00It’s not a cement plant it’s a gravel yard.It’s not a cement plant it’s a gravel yard.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03662539061382619772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-49669822890112491222018-09-07T23:24:22.618-04:002018-09-07T23:24:22.618-04:00Dewey Hargrove owns store and homeDewey Hargrove owns store and homeAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03662539061382619772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-25636562733872716812018-07-17T21:11:01.884-04:002018-07-17T21:11:01.884-04:00I'm from Farmersville went to school there eve...I'm from Farmersville went to school there even graduated from there.Although i attended high school in the early 80's a few teachers were still there from when he went to school there.They said he was a great student never caused any problems very smart.He even holds one or two school records in football and maybe track.I even have a friend who says his father was Mr. Watson's roommate in college.He said every time Tex came back to town he claimed to be a model in California. Just goes to show that even in the smallest of towns a monster can be lurking.He has a ministry now and i pray he has really turned his life around and it isn't just for show.<br /><br /><br />Billy Jack BaiseAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08997358122651228888noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-82399832275172911842018-02-13T22:42:57.757-05:002018-02-13T22:42:57.757-05:00The photo of Watson with his parents while he was ...The photo of Watson with his parents while he was in the Men's Colony in San Luis Obispo is so telling. His father just looks sick....in utter agony. Yet Watson's mother all smiles. I remember reading that Mr. Watson painted over the family name on his small store. And Watson's mother just would not believe her son murdered, even when he screamed at her that he did it. It just amazes me. he is all smiles with his parents, and yet look at his eyes. Still something dead in them. I always felt sorry for his father.60's galhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10483879060581582759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-43518353257667055732017-01-29T07:23:55.938-05:002017-01-29T07:23:55.938-05:00Its amazing the effect environment has on people. ...Its amazing the effect environment has on people. I noticed when I went back to the UK at Xmas something: all the single or divorced men of my acquaintance were doing really badly, and three were dead, far too young. Only one is doing well and so are all the women. In fact lots of the women have chosen singlehood and they are all doing great: they look good, they have jobs and hobbies, friends and travel.<br /><br /> So what's the difference? Environment. The one guy doing well is such a good housekeeper people think he is gay, but he isnt. He doesnt look down on women, he doesnt think proper cleaning is 'woman's work' and to be, like women, despised. In fact, he's expressed disgust with the macho man behaviour. His flat is charming, relaxing, with attractive things to rest your eye on and its thoroughly clean. The other guys: well, their homes are dusty, with unwashed dishes and empty cans and dust in the corners and that's the best of it, some of them, their homes are unspeakable. And my friend admitted that when his wife goes away each year, the house goes to ruin and the sight of it depresses him and he starts drinking. In two weeks, he's a mess without her.<br /><br />And look at Tex. Take him out of Spahn, he's a different person. Reconnecting with old girlfriends becoming ordinary again...the environment of Spahn must have been special indeed.It must have been so strange, so unreal, so weird...must have felt weird to be close to the city but feel a million miles away, with all your enlightened friends and your magical leader. Its the same with the others. Unless they were in prison, where they had to make themselves a little Charlie bubble to psychologically survive. ..even then, it didnt last. <br /><br />Environment matters. Should start teaching boys to look after a home and stop despising good housekeeping...it only promotes misogyny, anyway. fiona1933https://www.blogger.com/profile/00041216158548547908noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-52852754411596728682017-01-27T11:52:19.959-05:002017-01-27T11:52:19.959-05:00
Not enough photos, Matt.
<br />Not enough photos, Matt.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-25231991072396543252017-01-25T12:38:42.776-05:002017-01-25T12:38:42.776-05:00If Tex is in a relationship with Christ, he may be...If Tex is in a relationship with Christ, he may be in the clink and may die there but he's freer than Trump, Putin and many more that have a freedom of movement that he lost way back when.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-533381568126609142017-01-25T12:36:08.450-05:002017-01-25T12:36:08.450-05:00penny lane said...
from reading that it seems to ... penny lane said...<br /><br /><b>from reading that it seems to me u always believed on some level ,the seed was planted early</b><br /><br />I didn't. While I wholeheartedly agree that the seed may have been planted early, tons of seeds never germinate and amount to a grown plant.<br />When I was atheist, I was <i>atheist !</i><br />It was, ironically, after a year in Catholic school that I became atheist. Loads of people that are atheist may "believe" at some point beforehand. But there's a difference between believing in the sense of mental assent to something and actually giving your whole being to someone and proceeding in that vein. Believing in God for the Christian isn't merely mental assent, it's a relationship that is very real with a very real person, but not easy. Certainly keeps one on one's toes. grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-63294549073622203782017-01-25T05:09:06.124-05:002017-01-25T05:09:06.124-05:00Thanks Grim...from reading that it seems to me u a...Thanks Grim...from reading that it seems to me u always believed on some level ,the seed was planted early ...the fact u attended a school that had bible studies would suggest u had some religious exposure from a young a age..I however have a mother who filled me (from a very young age) with horror stories about pedophile priests and pulled me out of school because it had bible studies ...and a father who was raised a Catholic..went to Catholic school in Edinburgh. He told me all he learnt was the fear of God....and how brutal the nuns where ..So god didnt really stand a chance with me when I think about it ...lol.. Penny lanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10401896105440499937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-35235724484791393062017-01-24T15:47:04.534-05:002017-01-24T15:47:04.534-05:00penny lane said...
i guess what interests me is h... penny lane said...<br /><br /><b>i guess what interests me is how u where even able to entertain the existance of god</b><br /><br />I was 14 when I decided that God didn't exist. Just after I'd asked God to see to it that I wasn't expelled from school when I was looking expulsion in the face.<br />I didn't get expelled !<br />Truth be told, I didn't want to believe in God. I could see no reason to support the existence of such a being and those that seemed to be the biggest supporters just happened to be among the perpetrators of some of history's worst acts. I remember at school when I declared I was atheist. Talk about the cat among the pigeons...back in the late 70s, that was an unusual stance to take and I used to argue with anyone and everyone about it. I got an O level, grade A in Bible knowledge and always considered it the supreme irony. It meant no more to me than any other O level and I did it because it was easier than geography and physics. But the road to change was really gradual and if I've got it right, began long before I even decided there was no God.<br />I got into the Manson saga long before I was a believer but since being one, there's so much from the whole shebang that I feel I have a useful insight into because of what I see as God's reality, not least Helter Skelter itself. To the "religious" and acid enhanced mind, it makes pretty near perfect sense.<br /><br /><b>It seems like such nonsense to me</b><br /><br />Well, that's natural. If someone says to you "I'm in a personal relationship with God who made and sustains the world" it throws up so many questions and objections and it does seem like utter horseshit. It can be both a good and a bad thing to be around a believer, depending on that person. It was certainly useful for me to have a couple of friends that were Christians because without realizing it, I was watching them like a rat, looking for any signs of truth, hypocrisy or falsehood. It was also useful to be able to ask all manner of questions and have the chance to process things in my own mind.<br /><br /><b>If i came home one day sprouting jesus talk...my family would have me committed</b><br /><br />I was always seen as the rebel and maverick in the family, the one that stole, took drugs, refused to go to university, ran away from home, skipping one country to another and never returned etc.....there were varied reactions. My younger sister was shocked. So shocked in fact that she began looking into Christ and just over a year later became a Christian herself. I once asked her what made her go through the change and she said it was what happened to me; that if God could get through to me that whole thing must be worth at least looking into. My older sister was very resistant and angry but went that way herself some years later. My Mum, in totally unrelated circumstances {in fact she was living in a different country to me} became a Christian the same year I did. My little brother was uncomfortable with it and my Dad the engineer, having spent all those years berating me for lying {I was a right thief} found my then newfound honesty a lot harder to handle. That 72 page letter I mentioned earlier was originally a 22 pager which I'd asked my Dad to deliver as he was in the same country as my friend. But he read it and thought "I'm not giving anyone this !" and destroyed it. I was livid. It was a long time before I found out but when I did, I'd had some time to process the events of the years leading up to it, hence the longer letter. That first one was, I guess, full of the type of details one wouldn't want known about their child. He wouldn't have been very happy with the second one ! We did make it up eventually and had many spritely discussions/arguments down the years.<br />I can really sympathize with the parents of Tex, Pat, Clem and Leslie and also Charlie's Mum {once she was older} with the things they had to endure hearing about their children. But I feel that way about the parents and family members of almost anyone in the public eye.<br />grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-55311545059994479772017-01-23T22:45:22.884-05:002017-01-23T22:45:22.884-05:00Thanks Grim...so eloquent ...i guess what intetest...Thanks Grim...so eloquent ...i guess what intetests me is how u where even able to entertain the existance of god..It seems like such nonsense to me..If i came home one day sprouting jesus talk...my family would have me committed..:)Penny lanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10401896105440499937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-36350534269113238532017-01-23T15:31:40.175-05:002017-01-23T15:31:40.175-05:00penny lane said...
Lol..ministerial cramps
Actua... penny lane said...<br /><br /><b>Lol..ministerial cramps</b><br /><br />Actually, in the current political climate in both the UK and US of A, that seems strangely appropriate.....<br /><br /><br /><b>did u see the light gradually or did it happen in an instant</b><br /><br />It was very gradual. It was almost imperceptible and it's only because I'm a sucker for history and my own history that I gave it any thought as to how things came together. It's as accurate as I can make it but things that I thought were parts of the process or significant may not have been.<br />Interestingly, I'd heard from friends about both theirs and other fantastic conversions and what had happened to them during it so the day I decided to give Christ a spin, I was waiting for all this wonderful mystical stuff to happen that would be better than an acid trip......and not a bean happened. I didn't even feel different initially. But in retrospect, I'm glad it happened that way for though everyone goes through different things initially, for me I had to learn trust with no accompanying phenomena. That has stood me in pretty good stead through many difficult times and taught me some serious major league patience.<br /><br /><br /><b>was LSD involved?</b><br /><br />No, acid wasn't involved. About 7 weeks before I made the move, I stopped messing about with all drugs. I'd spent from the end of '81 to around April '85 in a chemically altered state ! It was great fun for the most part but I just got as far as I felt I was going without the risk of some heavy duty addiction and truth be told, much of the last 18 months I was getting little out of my travels. Just when I had the money too ! While I'm confident that God has helped lots of folk with drug issues, that wasn't the case for me. I made that move myself.<br /><br /><b>..again if im offensive ignore me as i no nothing about god etiquette</b><br /><br />The only etiquette I'm aware of is honesty. Mind you, that can actually be quite difficult sometimes, the longer one is in Christ. You'd think it gets easier but that's not the case always. But no Penny, I'm not offended. When you said it earlier, I had to stop and think about what I am offended by. The only thing I could think of is when people I think should know me act in ways that belie that. And that's more irritation than offence.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-69802991752235763732017-01-23T05:50:39.759-05:002017-01-23T05:50:39.759-05:00Thanks Grim ...So now can i ask ..did u see the li...Thanks Grim ...So now can i ask ..did u see the light gradually or did it happen in an instant...and was LSD involved.?..again if im offensive ignore me as i no nothing about god etiquette :)Penny lanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10401896105440499937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-12061477333339958932017-01-23T05:36:10.207-05:002017-01-23T05:36:10.207-05:00Lol..ministerial cramps...thanks for the typo just...Lol..ministerial cramps...thanks for the typo justice made me laugh ...Penny lanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10401896105440499937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-920166536035877102017-01-22T18:59:35.819-05:002017-01-22T18:59:35.819-05:00http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/21/journalist-ge...http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/21/journalist-george-krimsky-who-covered-manson-arrest-dies.htmljustice_4_all2010https://www.blogger.com/profile/18434997424896883146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-75383716778143513562017-01-22T18:46:10.289-05:002017-01-22T18:46:10.289-05:00Belladonna... Something to consider regarding Tex....Belladonna... Something to consider regarding Tex. <br />In France, in the old days, in certain areas and cultures(though called another name as I don't feel like researching it again now) It was used in small doses to ease ministerial cramps, especially amongst young girls experiencing puberty.<br /><br />Jone of Arc has her visions at this age, and this plant was used in her small community... She never has visions again...only hears voices that tell her things that Jone would know already...But it drives her.<br /><br />Jone was convinced her visions were real, how much would that Belladonna trip alter Tex's personality?? justice_4_all2010https://www.blogger.com/profile/18434997424896883146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-70302323853218920072017-01-22T18:04:45.068-05:002017-01-22T18:04:45.068-05:00Mr. Humphrat said...
Back to Tex's mental sta...Mr. Humphrat said...<br /><br /><b>Back to Tex's mental state, is the best source to turn to the 1971 psychiatric evaluation?</b><br /><br />I'd look at some of the ones that have been mentioned in some of his more recent parole hearings. The problem that I have with those 1971 ones is that in that period it was pre~trial and I think he was trying to come across as insane. He went on to try the old diminished responsibility gig which he more or less later admits was a crock.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-61872187552193342002017-01-22T18:04:05.619-05:002017-01-22T18:04:05.619-05:00Penny lane said...
I mean seriously if there was ...Penny lane said...<br /><br /><b>I mean seriously if there was a god there would be no President Trump</b><br /><br />Actually, I would, even jokingly, argue the opposite. If you look at the USA since say, 1960, it has been a country of political swings every 8 years with the exception of the 4 Carter years followed by the 12 years of Reagan and Bush Snr. The swings from Democrat to Republican since JFK in America are an interesting microcosm of modern humanity's general malaise and our general dissatisfaction with our state, the very thing God has been pointing at since, well, if one believes it, since the garden.<br />From my perspective, Donald Trump was the only logical winner.<br /><br /> Matt said...<br /><br /><b>God is make-believe</b><br /><br />Sometimes there is truth in that. Not overall, but there are tons of times when people may ascribe something to God that is not at all and can only really be described as make believe. I've seen that enough times myself. Sometimes, I've been involved in it. <br /><br /> St Circumstance said...<br /><br /><b>there are 3 things you just can't reason with people about.<br />religion<br />Politics<br />Love</b><br /><br />It really depends on what you mean by "reason with." What I suspect you really mean is "see it how you see it." And that's not reasoning.<br />If you and I met up in person, I could regale you with stories taken from the last 32 years of Christ's input into my life, real experiences, real happenings. I'm not sure there is much to reason about there, same way there wouldn't be much to reason about my experiences in the labour theatre because these are things that have actively happened. What would be your objective in reasoning ? To get me to accept they didn't happen or that they didn't at some level have God in them ?<br />Can <i>you</i> reason about religion ?<br />Politics. People change their political views, maybe not all the time, but during their lifetimes or at least they do in the UK. Granted, people are often entrenched in their views while they hold them, but I see life as a continuum and many people alter according to circumstance or other things. If by reasoning you really mean "trying to change their mind to what you think" then most times, you're right. But I don't always find politics as black and white as it is sometimes presented. Personally, I'm left wing in some things, liberal in others, right wing in others and ignorant in others still.<br />Love. Hmmm...when we say 'love' are we even always talking about the same thing ?<br /><br /><b>Manson is another topic that really polarizes</b><br /><br />For sure. But is that a bad thing ? There's a difference between deliberately ignoring verifiable facts in order to make the point that one wants to make and drawing different conclusions from those facts. <br /><br /><b>People seem to be for or against without much willingness to compromise either way</b><br /><br />But again, what do you actually mean by that ? There are simply some things that aren't for compromise and some things are. But even with those things that may not be for compromise, new information or time can cause a modification of a current view. Since I started discussing on the blogs, that's happened to me loads of times. On the other hand, take a silly thing like Karlene Faith's book on Leslie. You think it's a shit book and that she kind of almost excuses Leslie. I think it's a great book and that she doesn't pull punches about Leslie's guilt. There's no reason why we can't share our views and discuss them without ever changing our minds on where we stand. To~ing and fro~ing in debate <i>is</i> sometimes part of the reasoning process.<br />grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-66765588853453277602017-01-22T17:05:54.384-05:002017-01-22T17:05:54.384-05:00penny lane said...
All this god talk bores the be...penny lane said...<br /><br /><b>All this god talk bores the bejesus out of me...</b><br /><br />Well, talk of motor racing or movie references that I have no idea about or a thousand other things bore me to tears. I have a simple rule that I follow ~ if I've got nothing of any use to contribute to a particular strand, I don't.<br />Where Tex is concerned, his conversion and its aftermath is always going to come up. It's a given because he's such a polarizing character. And as such, I know that there are things I can contribute to the discussion. I think I can see where he may be coming from on certain things and I think it's important to share that in the wider forum.<br /><br /><b>Hope i dont offend u Grim...but I see belief in god as a weakness..</b><br /><br />No, I'm not offended. It goes with the territory. The overwhelming majority of good and great friends I have or have had in the last 32 years haven't been interested in Christ or God. Most of them haven't or don't share any of my music tastes either.<br />As for weakness, yes. What's wrong with that ? Am I a sunshine superman ? Not in the slightest particular. I have deficiencies. I have weaknesses. I don't glory in them and I don't pretend they don't exist.<br /><br /><b>Tex uses it as a crutch</b><br /><br />Again, what's the problem with that ?<br />A crutch is actually a good analogy. Someone that uses a crutch uses it because they need to walk properly. That sums up the human dilemma, as far as God is concerned, pretty well. The interesting thing about a crutch is that it doesn't guarantee perfect mobility....but it gets you about and one gets better with the crutch.<br /><br /><b>If he truly was as devout as he claims he would never ask for parole...ever..how very DARE he...!!</b><br /><br />So many people on so many sites have made that argument and it never makes sense to me.<br />Firstly, the law, a law whose creators weren't interested in Jesus conversions by the way, made provision for the <i>possibility</i> of parole. Not the divine right to it or the guarantee of it. The possibility of it. To me, it's a bit like certain tax breaks. For example, over here in England, there's actually provision in the law for a person to claim back money that they've spent on washing their work uniform. I think that's daft but it's there and I couldn't criticize someone for claiming it. The law has opened that door and made provision.<br />He wouldn't ask for parole if the door to it was not open.<br />I'd be tempted to stake my life on this, that if you were in his shoes, you'd apply for parole.<br />Secondly, if one has erred in life the way someone like Tex has and they meet with Christ and all that entails and they <i>know</i> that they have undergone a change over a 40+ year period, then there will be a natural desire to live out one's life in the multifaceted arena of life on the outside ~ if it is at all possible. Especially if one has kids. The decision can never be Tex's. It's not down to him. All he can do is demonstrate within the confines of prison that he is not the guy that he was in that 1964~1974 period. He knows there is a more than good chance that he will be there till he breathes his last. But hope is a powerful motivator.<br /><br /><b>I just don't get the need to believe</b><br /><br />Well, neither did I once.<br />But you know, some things aren't about need. When I did my volte face, need didn't come into it. I was rather nervous about having to face all those people that I'd spent years decrying God to. There were an interesting array of reactions and no one acted in a way that I thought they might other than everyone was initially shocked.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.com