tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post5652990429333610904..comments2024-03-18T15:40:57.986-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Reflexion by Lynette Fromme; Part One: pp. 1 thru 97Matthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger97125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-20736721073911911892021-02-24T09:20:40.595-05:002021-02-24T09:20:40.595-05:00jerseydevil....my Boston Acoustic surrounds rotted...jerseydevil....my Boston Acoustic surrounds rotted while my early Advents soar on.sillywormhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07600907744181011399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-24501610913998482402021-02-24T08:58:51.380-05:002021-02-24T08:58:51.380-05:00LSD and a payback mentality associated with his fe...LSD and a payback mentality associated with his feelings of being ignored by the music industry.sillywormhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07600907744181011399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-67682835467840475752019-05-27T05:31:51.530-04:002019-05-27T05:31:51.530-04:00After reading this, I realized that Spahn Ranch wa...After reading this, I realized that Spahn Ranch was really a Boy Scout camp where everything was peaches and roses. They traveled up and down the coast helping little old ladies across streets and taking in stray dogs and fixing up houses, grocery shopping for the elderly. Those Manson people were absolute angels and stellar humanitarians. There’s no mention of murders and pointing guns at presidents, drug deals and acid trips, (that never happened) just living a good clean life for the rest of us to follow as an example. all hippy chick peace and love for Squeaky. No mention of her video loading a shotgun calling for violent revolution. No mention of Manson Family murders which she knew about before, during and after. No mention of her attempt to assassinate President Ford. A total whitewash cop out! There are many other better and honest books on this topic.Beatle Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01197273766999042919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-66760365295807666942018-08-29T20:32:43.858-04:002018-08-29T20:32:43.858-04:00bucpaul2812 said...
It still intrigues my why ... bucpaul2812 said...<br /><br /> <b>It still intrigues my why Gypsy's memoirs haven't been made for public consumption yet</b><br /><br />In Jess Bravin's biog of Squeaky, he makes plenty of mention of the book Squeaky was writing and this, during the early 70s.<br />If Gypsy's is indeed out there in the ether, a long wait is par for the course !<br /><br /> brownrice said...<br /><br /> <b>Personally, I've always found Lynette's loyalty a very admirable quality. To stick by your friends is (to me) far more honourable than throwing 'em under the bus when the going gets tough</b><br /><br />That might depend on whether or not the "friend" is seen as being the major reason your life is a wreck. Squeaky has no reason, on a life scale, to be angry or bitter at Charlie. She ended up where she did largely under her own steam. That's not the case with a number of others and once they woke up, under the bus was probably the place they felt it was appropriate to consign that part of their lives. Sometimes people just look back in anger and think "shit, I was sold a pup there !"<br /><br /> AstroCreep said...<br /><br /> <b>Admiring her for her loyalty to Manson, to me, is like admiring ISIS members for their loyalty when they saw heads off of children or throw people off roofs</b><br /><br />But there's a difference between loyalty to a cause and some of the actions taken to further that cause. <br />It doesn't come across in the section that Matt is speaking of but as the book rolls on, there's some interesting examples of what could be seen to be selective blindness on Lyn's part. Comparing some of her stance in the book with some of the stuff she was saying in that period when Robert Hendrickson was doing all that filming and which ends up in "Death To Pigs" is, to say the least, eye opening and confusing at the same time.<br /><br /> Carlos said...<br /><br /> <b>The mainstream press has spent half a century telling a very one-sided and one-dimensional view of the Family, because the motivation is solely about the TLB murders</b><br /><br />True. But most of the sound information doesn't come from the mainstream press and there has been, for those that want to dig and find some balance, for quite a long time a fairly good balance of information. I use that word guardedly because on all sides of the fence there is major bias. But at least it's pretty even.<br />In Squeaky's book, up to page 97, we learn a few new things but nothing particularly earth shattering. That naturally follows as the book develops. One thing that I did notice in these early pages though, was how parts of the Emmons book are corroborated, for example the scenario with Darlene and the guns in the bay episode. Things like that tend to make one wonder and perhaps review opinions of some of the other books/articles/testimony/interviews that have come down over the years, because this is a feature that turns up all over the book. <br /><br /> grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-75786594727285512322018-08-29T19:30:12.038-04:002018-08-29T19:30:12.038-04:00jerseydevil said...
What I liked most about t... jerseydevil said...<br /><br /> <b>What I liked most about this book is it had nothing to do with the crimes</b><br /><br />There's a certain irony about that. A bit like if Nelson Mandela never mentioned apartheid in his autobiography !<br />Mind you, it's not strictly true to say that it has nothing to do with the crimes. Squeaky does say things regarding the crimes, but very obliquely and in such a way that <i>more</i> or <i>less</i> could be read into it. It's actually very clever writing and unlike Charlie, never gobbledygook.<br /><br /><b>Anyone else feel that the cover photo looks nothing like her at all</b><br /><br />I thought that the first time I saw it. It's a striking cover though.<br /><br /> AustinAnn74 said...<br /><br /> <b>I find it repulsive that this woman still embraces Manson, as if it was such a romantic, fun, free time. She doesn't see that she gave her heart & soul...her life to a man who couldn't give back the love she actually deserved</b><br /><br />Maybe for her it was such a romantic fun, free time, especially if you think of what went on to be her life from the end of '69 onwards. If she wasn't thrilled by life up till '67 and life after '69 was one long hassle {even if much of that was her choice and self inflicted} then the years '67~69 would represent that period she might feel fondest about.<br />I'd disagree with you on the last part of the quote too. Squeaky seems to be one of the few people that Charlie openly loved and only ever said positive things about. <br />I'm also curious about how anyone can quantify the love anyone <i>deserves</i>.<br /><br /> Carlos said...<br /><br /><b>We’ve had plenty of books about the crimes from insiders and outsiders; we haven’t had enough about how the Family formed and then fractured, especially from the perspective of an insider like Squeaky</b><br /><br />We don't ultimately get that here either, certainly not the fracturing. <br /><br /> bucpaul2812 said...<br /><br /> <b>I've read elsewhere that the dynamic in the Fromme household was so toxic that Lynette's father refused to speak to her directly and any attempts at communication with her were directed through other members of the family</b><br /><br />I guess because we only have one side of the story, our knowledge on this will always be somewhat incomplete. It would be interesting to hear what her Mum or brother thought of what was going on. In the same way that Lyn tends to see a specific side to Charlie rather than the sides that everyone else has been exposed to and become familiar with, maybe her Mum was similar.grimtravellerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00025774296829848608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-62010244047773977552018-08-27T15:25:14.905-04:002018-08-27T15:25:14.905-04:00Peter my current system consists of a Mcintosh Ma ...Peter my current system consists of a Mcintosh Ma 6300 intergrated amp a Rega planar 3 turntable a mid level Marantz CD player Kef reference 3 speakers & a Nakanichi CR 7a cassette deck for the 100 + dead shows back when I was still hooked up with tapers before that I had Carver & Adcom <br />Ran through Boston acoustic speakersjerseydevilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08170616957798785045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-7756264457562771612018-08-26T14:50:48.419-04:002018-08-26T14:50:48.419-04:00Totally agreedTotally agreedRudyWebersHosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06281984776301324237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-43295452344191025422018-08-26T13:48:17.287-04:002018-08-26T13:48:17.287-04:00RudyWebersHose said...
... theres also a freedom ...RudyWebersHose said...<br /><br /><b>... theres also a freedom in living that way</b><br /><br />On this we very much agree. Materialism driven by pure greed or to try to fill a lack of emotional or spiritual satisfaction can be a terrible thing. It often ends up as just increasing selfishness and loneliness and isolation. But there is a tremendous difference between living what Jerry Garcia once referred to as a simple, uncluttered life and living the life of a leech on society or a criminal.<br /><br />One theme running through these comments on how the book portrays the early months of the Family is that life at the start was largely about being simple and uncluttered and free. It involved the kindness of strangers and the kindness of friends and a great degree of simply sharing what was on hand at the moment. There was more idealism than naivety, and living off the grid did not have to mean living outside the law. <br /><br />The mainstream press has spent half a century telling a very one-sided and one-dimensional view of the Family, because the motivation is solely about the TLB murders and selling copies. It’s refreshing to have a book provide a multi-dimensional view, especially of the early months, and that includes being honest about certain realities of life.Carloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16229053220050517462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-2227922197877545352018-08-26T00:12:23.324-04:002018-08-26T00:12:23.324-04:00Like Manson said on occasion, your materialistic l...Like Manson said on occasion, your materialistic lifestyle has your thinking fucked up, theres also a freedom in living that way, now i dont condone credit card theft but theres nothing wrong with eating food supermarkets put in dumpsters because its a day or two past its exp date and most "medical care" these days is going to a robot in some medical mill being seen for 3 minutes and then given prescriptions for addictive medications that just create more problemsRudyWebersHosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06281984776301324237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-49547066989258775112018-08-25T19:44:25.981-04:002018-08-25T19:44:25.981-04:00Cat's, I agree it reads like there is another ...Cat's, I agree it reads like there is another volume coming, at least I'm hoping. I think Fromme saw that the Family was having a tough time finding places to stay and saw her attending to Spahn as the most important job in the Family. I wouldn't be surprised if Manson asked her to do it, explaining it just that way. Manson and Fromme may have been having sex with others, but that was just their lifestyle, I see them as being very committed to each other. Manson had even referred to Fromme as his "old lady." I don't think she ever fell out of love with him. beaudershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14223387983663922713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-6425280775841851812018-08-25T18:27:04.261-04:002018-08-25T18:27:04.261-04:00brown rice said...
A lot of people really don'...brown rice said...<br /><br /><b>A lot of people really don't understand what a grim, dysfunctional, black & white world it was in the 50s and early 60s... and how rapidly, excitingly & totally that all changed from about '65 onwards. Without grasping that, it's pretty hard to comprehend this whole saga</b><br /><br />Excellent point.<br /><br />But I can’t also help noticing how grim and dysfunctional it would be to be eating out of garbage cans, relying on stolen credit cards, and avoiding modern medical care because doctors are only good for curing the clap.<br /><br />A big part of what gives the book so much credibility and integrity is that it presents an honesty about things. such as Mary’s bank account while beautifully expressing the idealism and the hope that made many people seek a different way of life.Carloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16229053220050517462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-39867433217007862092018-08-25T12:21:55.066-04:002018-08-25T12:21:55.066-04:00Robert C said...
... I doubt they'll get into...Robert C said...<br /><br /><b>... I doubt they'll get into the violence and murder parts.</b><br /><br />Completely agree.<br /><br />The one possible memoir that seems to stir the most interest is Ms. Share’s. The only example of her writing that I am familiar with is a post at Dennis Rice’s defunct web site, though the wayback machine can still get it for you. Her post tells me that she absolutely has some skill as an author, and I’d certainly read her memoirs. If the post is any indication, she’ll be much, much more direct and unflinching in her contempt for Manson than most of what we’ve read elsewhere. And she’ll be very direct and very brief about not being involved with the murders at all. Not. involved. at. all.<br /><br />As for Cappy, I have often wondered if she and perhaps some others had decided not to publish anything while alive but left instructions to have some things published posthumously. If I was betting my own money, I’d say no. But it will be interesting to see what happens as the Family live out their golden years.Carloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16229053220050517462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-12483320307231449152018-08-25T12:13:31.318-04:002018-08-25T12:13:31.318-04:00Right now I’m in the part of the book where Sandy ...Right now I’m in the part of the book where Sandy describes her first week with Charlie and it is quite a read in itself. If she is writing her own book I would think she would have saved this part for her own It really is goodMr. Humphrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18206702171683458150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-5963054921165760762018-08-25T11:49:30.641-04:002018-08-25T11:49:30.641-04:00Peter said: " I am 100% sure that California ...Peter said: " I am 100% sure that California would and could nail her ass to the wall in a heartbeat if they thought she had some knowledge of what went down either before or after. "<br /><br />California let a lot of things slide back then regarding Manson Family member participation in and knowledge of murders. Moorehouse got out of attempted murder. Others escaped prosecution from the murders of Hinman, Zero, Hughes, Stubbs, Shorty and the Willets plus any others. Practically everyone in the core MF group knew about certain murders but didn't report. <br /><br />Squeaky would be in that last group but kept away from most of it by Manson until her pretend attempt on Ford. But nothing can be proven now unless someone breaks and blabs. If that were to happen, if several members began to point fingers, then we might see a wider accusation-fest happen. <br /><br />But I think they'll all go down like Gillies and say nothing. I'll guess several or more MF members may be encouraged to write their own memoirs like Fromme now to make some money but like her I doubt they'll get into the violence and murder parts.Robert Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11931071604173368606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-50435123229234869542018-08-25T11:17:45.739-04:002018-08-25T11:17:45.739-04:00David said...
...but that may (or may not) explai...David said...<br /><br /><b>...but that may (or may not) explain why she stopped the chronology when she did.</b><br /><br />I’ve been wondering if the explanation isn’t much simpler. The book ends with the Barker Ranch raids, and in many key ways Family life as described so well by Ms. Fromme and others before her also ended at the same time. In terms of timeline, this is the point from which nothing would or could ever be the same again. And it took her almost 500 pages to get to this point. To me, for her to give any kind of treatment of ‘70 through mid ‘71 in the same manner she did through October, ‘69 would likely require another few hundred pages, which is a book in itself; and that doesn’t even get us to the Willets. It makes perfect sense to save that for volume two or to simply not go there at all.<br /><br />The fact that this approach may also make her attorney happy is perhaps a convenient coincidence.Carloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16229053220050517462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-29097431380250313422018-08-25T09:36:58.702-04:002018-08-25T09:36:58.702-04:00At least one author does think Fromme may be guilt...<br /><br />At least one author does think Fromme may be guilty of being involved in a homicide:<br /><br />www.leslievanhouten.com/1978-tex-article.html<br />March 1978 "Headquarters Detective" magazine, by a prison mate of Tex Watson's:<br />"The only ones I know who could have benefited from his(Ronald Hughes) death are two who were involved in other deaths. They're both in jail now. One's Bruce Davis and the other is that woman who tried to kill President Ford -- Squeaky Fromme."<br /><br /><br />starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-72658506925820391652018-08-24T23:45:33.461-04:002018-08-24T23:45:33.461-04:00Of course she knows but she's smart enough not...Of course she knows but she's smart enough not to say anything, im sure lawyers have told her the same thingRudyWebersHosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06281984776301324237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-85863607236478213092018-08-24T21:52:06.156-04:002018-08-24T21:52:06.156-04:00I am 100% sure that California would and could nai...I am 100% sure that California would and could nail her ass to the wall in a heartbeat if they thought she had some knowledge of what went down either before or after.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08760641498649508874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-54285576285336382592018-08-24T21:37:55.898-04:002018-08-24T21:37:55.898-04:00Hey bud, are you into high end 60s audio or just h...Hey bud, are you into high end 60s audio or just high end audio. I am too. I run a Bogen RF-35 tube receiver, a Dual 1019 with the original Hi-Track and a pair of beautiful Wharfdale W-90s that I completely rebuilt the crossovers for. And when you listen to the DAT's from the audio archive of that run of Fillmore shows from February 28- March 2, 1969 that they used for Live Dead, you can hear the electricity in the air.<br /><br />Or maybe it's ground loop. Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08760641498649508874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-76578361871947719502018-08-24T21:26:06.618-04:002018-08-24T21:26:06.618-04:00For someone from Jersey, you seem to have a pretty...For someone from Jersey, you seem to have a pretty high opinion of yourself. <br /><br />Baby Steps. <br /><br />"I'm sailing!"Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08760641498649508874noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-2340643123240064672018-08-24T21:03:11.086-04:002018-08-24T21:03:11.086-04:00Mr. Humphrat,
Murder has no statute of limitatio...Mr. Humphrat, <br /><br />Murder has no statute of limitations. Talking about any murder you may have known something about is perilous. I Have not managed to rad this yet for both time crunch issues and because of some personal feelings based upon some of the comments but that may (or may not) explain why she stopped the chronology when she did. Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06551377673977145628noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-663401525183194092018-08-24T19:55:19.670-04:002018-08-24T19:55:19.670-04:00To the lawyers in the group do you think if Lynnet...To the lawyers in the group do you think if Lynnette wrote anything pertaining to time frame of the Stockton murder she could put herself in possible legal jeopardy?Mr. Humphrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18206702171683458150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-48765590069993255702018-08-24T15:58:26.410-04:002018-08-24T15:58:26.410-04:00Yeah, the first part was so personal I almost felt...Yeah, the first part was so personal I almost felt like I was invading someone's privacy reading it. It was like she was telling the story of the early times in the same age mind frame that she would have been. As more girls came in to the group and she didn't get as much attention she seemed to draw back and was more on the inside looking out. Taking care of George seemed to give her solace and worth. She really needs to write a second part starting with the courthouse vigils to wherever she wants to stop. <br />Matthew https://www.blogger.com/profile/17147415819068597641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-87416413665568852272018-08-24T11:12:28.699-04:002018-08-24T11:12:28.699-04:00Peter you managed to put the bong down long enough...Peter you managed to put the bong down long enough to read & write Baby steps brother we knew you could do itjerseydevilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08170616957798785045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-23282534436392329862018-08-23T22:26:44.343-04:002018-08-23T22:26:44.343-04:00Peter said...
The first part of this book with ju...Peter said...<br /><br /><b>The first part of this book with just Mary and Lyn and Charlie is the best part. ... I think, as I hope we will discuss, that in later parts she has to start hedging and stretching for explanations in order to bring it into conformity with the idyllic part 1. </b><br /><br />Agreed.<br /><br />While the whole book has integrity and credibility to me, these early era pages have a certain freedom about them that stands out nicely.Carloshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16229053220050517462noreply@blogger.com