tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post5899578913763363340..comments2024-03-28T23:53:16.262-04:00Comments on The Manson Family Blog: Gary Hinman was murdered for money!Matthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06766282574442161929noreply@blogger.comBlogger86125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-10669239368760878012019-12-25T01:26:55.266-05:002019-12-25T01:26:55.266-05:00Don't want to go into details, I'm done wi...Don't want to go into details, I'm done with this but do not believe ANYTHING Beausoleil says, he's been a liar since '67 and hasn't changed. Bobby was the sole murderer of Gary. Yes, Charlie showed up with Bruce. Charlie did whack Gary with the machete, took off half of his left ear. I know that there were only 5 people involved in this. Bruce, Charlie, Sadie, Mary & Bobby. Bobby was (at that time, along with Paul) serious mentors of Charlie, basically robots. It was Bobby and Bobby alone who ultimately killed Gary. You know Bobby is lying anytime he opens his mouth. God bless.Mystery Tramphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00836102068438934985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-52253307484782002922018-02-13T14:10:36.985-05:002018-02-13T14:10:36.985-05:00I know this post is an older one, but I recently r...<br />I know this post is an older one, but I recently read an article by a man who claims he saw BB, Susan, and Mary at Gary's house harassing Gary 5 months before the murder. If this is truth (which I realize it may not be), then it leads me to believe the drug burn story is a lie. This man also explains why CM and the "Family" were upset with Gary Hinman. I do not know this man, nor do I claim his writing as truth. I just thought I'd share it for those who may not have seen this. It's an interesting read.<br /><br /><br /><br />https://buddhajim.wordpress.com/tag/gary-hinman/Smillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15265553980589830283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-12980103769967691412018-01-27T19:34:15.171-05:002018-01-27T19:34:15.171-05:00Wonderful post. This blog has some sweet writers. ...Wonderful post. This blog has some sweet writers. Great point, Starviego. I never considered that before. G. Greene-Whytehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16687404262559321867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-72888235401804164662016-12-04T13:44:34.222-05:002016-12-04T13:44:34.222-05:00Years later, Manson claims Hinman was an informant...Years later, Manson claims Hinman was an informant. Of course Charlie is hardly credible, but that doesn't mean it is untrue. If so, who was Hinman snitching on? The doped-up hippies, or maybe those radicals over at UCLA?<br /><br />https://youtu.be/w5FvQFgA2H8<br />Charles Manson BBC Interview Part 4 8:30 mark<br />(re Hinman) "He was an informant for the government. He was playing all kinds of treacherous games that he shouldn't have been playing. See when you're in the underworld you got to be truthful. If you lie and you're faking and you're snitching and it catches up with you, it's bites you... "<br /><br />Police noticed Hinman's stolen red VW van at Spahns when they did their July 27, 1969 raid.<br /><br />Sanders' The Family, pg250<br />"When they called in the license number and it came back as belonging to Hinman, one of the officers said: "Hey, I know Hinman; he must be out here visiting." "<br /><br />Familiarity implies prior contact--did the cops know Hinman precisely because he was an informant? Is that the real reason he was targeted? But who told Manson that Gary was an informant?<br /><br /><br /><br />/<br />starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-27663776059422331142016-12-03T16:55:28.210-05:002016-12-03T16:55:28.210-05:00Hinman was killed because Charlie wanted him dead....Hinman was killed because Charlie wanted him dead. Getting the money was a secondary consideration.<br /><br /><br />http://www.cielodrive.com/updates/coming-january-13th-14th-audio-archives-danny-decarlo-interviewed-by-the-los-angeles-county-sheriffs-department/<br />Danny DeCarlo:<br />So him and Bruce, went up to Gary’s house. ...And so he walked in the house. And uh, right away Gary ran out to Charlie, “Charlie,” said “I don’t want no trouble. I just want you to leave and take everybody with you. And get out of my house. I’m not gonna tell the police about nothing. Just get out of here.” Charlie didn’t say a word. Smack, cut his ear off. ... Gary hit the ground.<br />Charlie says, “Listen here little partner, I ain’t bullshitting with you, I’ll kill you. I want your money. I want your house, I want everything.”<br />And that was the idea. Get everything he owned. ‘Cause they talked about him before, as being a Political Piggy. See, a political fuck up. “Gary’s fucked up in his head, he’s a pig, he’s gotta go. He’s just like society, part of society, so let’s get rid of him. First lets get his money.”<br /><br />http://web.archive.org/web/20140209204015/http://truthontatelabianca.com/threads/true-detective-1970.2881/<br />DeCarlo said that for several days before the death of Hinman he had overheard conversation between Beausoleil and Manson in which they referred to Hinman as a "political pig who should die."<br /><br /><br />Investigators were thinking along the same lines in this interview with Ella Jo:<br /><br />http://www.cielodrive.com/People-V-Manson-Vol-33.pdf<br />"Miss Bailey, directing your attention to this occasion when you were at the campsite in Devil's Canyon, in the latter part of July, 1969, during that conversation--during the one in which you suggested Gary Hinman's name as somebody who might come with the Family...<br />...was there any conversation or any statements made during that conversation at the campsite .. in which someone said.. that Gary Hinman was to be killed?"<br />(Ella Jo denied it, but clearly the investigators had received info that such a conversation had occurred.)<br /><br /><br />So, if it wasn't the money, what was the motive? Because he was a "Political Piggy?" What does that mean? Most likely it had something to do with Hinman's activities while at UCLA:<br /><br />http://www.mansonblog.com/search/label/Mary%20Brunner<br />...during Bobby's 2010 parole hearing he told the board that the reason he put blame on black people is because he wanted to blame the murder on some of the "radical" people that Gary Hinman was involved with at UCLA. He also told the board that Gary was involved with black people that were radicals, and that he (Gary) was into radical philosophies, etc.<br /><br />http://www.bardachreports.com/articles/oa_19811100.htm<br />Gary Hinman, had been a hippie renaissance figure in the '60s: a Ph.D. candidate in Sociology at U.C.L.A., a political activist...<br /><br />But how did Charlie know of this, and why would he care? How well did Charlie know Gary? There is a whole 'nuther dimension to this thing we don't know about....starviegohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11256800799989566468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-53933906393885564062015-03-21T22:42:13.864-04:002015-03-21T22:42:13.864-04:00Hmmm.Hmmm.AustinAnn74https://www.blogger.com/profile/06342503212454947554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-87501658303261667292015-03-17T14:19:03.819-04:002015-03-17T14:19:03.819-04:00Quite. You could imagine him being the classic Stu...Quite. You could imagine him being the classic Studio 54 groupie, being the alternate plaything of Bianca Jagger and Steve Rubell.bucpaul2812https://www.blogger.com/profile/07919220894312658760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-22283684968772890642015-03-16T21:10:40.197-04:002015-03-16T21:10:40.197-04:00interesting observations BucPaul. He would have be...interesting observations BucPaul. He would have been good during disco.Mr. Humphrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02574243483977353223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-46799304896249089762015-03-16T13:52:51.874-04:002015-03-16T13:52:51.874-04:00Looking at that photo of Bobby, he really looked &...Looking at that photo of Bobby, he really looked "prototype-AB pledge" at the time. One thing I've noticed surrounding Bobby is that whatever environment he was in at the time, he seemed to completely absorb the "template look". When in the Haight, he could have easily passed as one of the entourage of Big Brother. When he hooked up with Anger, he looked like the poster boy of the dark arts and by the time he got to Spahn he appeared to have that "transient chic/satin shirt" look beloved of Charlie and Bruce down to a "T". Had he not been waylaid with murdering Gary Hinman I bet it wouldn't have been long before he started assimilating the de-constructed denim and leather machismo of the Straight Satans. You then have Bobby in his "prison-issue" tattooed glory. The general impression I get surrounding Bobby is that he is, and will remain a dilettante - he latches wholesale onto whatever he thinks is the most beneficial coping mechanism going at the moment, which may go some way towards explaining why his version(s) surrounding his participation in the events of that summer seem to change with each telling.bucpaul2812https://www.blogger.com/profile/07919220894312658760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-58884312797734641082015-03-16T09:02:08.057-04:002015-03-16T09:02:08.057-04:00Of course. Blame the victim. Of course. Blame the victim. AustinAnn74https://www.blogger.com/profile/06342503212454947554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-22496589311929940992015-03-14T23:44:14.354-04:002015-03-14T23:44:14.354-04:00"It should be clear to you by now that both G..."It should be clear to you by now that both Gary and I were into some things we would have been wiser to avoid, not least of which was befriending someone as deluded and unscrupulous as Charles Manson." He said the story was put in his head by "others". Not another or Charlie.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-72662529256169845132015-03-14T09:32:41.335-04:002015-03-14T09:32:41.335-04:00Again, BB is distracting from the obvious. He'...Again, BB is distracting from the obvious. He's trying to place blame on someone else. There was no magical hand that forced him to stab Gary. None of that is relevant anymore, because the end result is always the same: Gary Hinman lies dead & buried in a lonely, country cemetery in Colorado. AustinAnn74https://www.blogger.com/profile/06342503212454947554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-47773447282671877672015-03-13T21:08:09.663-04:002015-03-13T21:08:09.663-04:00Pope yes there is a distinction, but he's sayi...Pope yes there is a distinction, but he's saying there was no drug burn. I would like to try to make out some of those redacted words and see if that clarifies anything. Also makes me wonder what he will say at his next parole hearing. Also, yes it's significant whether he's hinting someone put the idea in his head before or after the murder.Mr. Humphrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02574243483977353223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-85746710308532546342015-03-13T15:29:30.535-04:002015-03-13T15:29:30.535-04:00All he says in that letter is Gary wasn't a dr...All he says in that letter is Gary wasn't a drug dealer. He says the idea was put into his head. Before or after the murder? He talks about trade and barter of drugs, so he isn't saying he lied and it was a straight up robbery. Just because he says Gary wasn't a dealer doesn't mean there wasn't some kind of deal. Dig it, if somebody is have some function and asks me to bake some toll house cookies or make cup cakes and I bring them and sell them. Does that make me a baker? If I visit Rome every so often, does make me an Italian? No. So making a little home brew mescaline for friends or selling a little weed on the side doesn't make you a dealer. People got it in their mind that "dealer" means full time and living like Tony Montana.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-42347062009455495192015-03-13T10:41:07.764-04:002015-03-13T10:41:07.764-04:00OK Ann and aMy, I found what I was thinking of: it...OK Ann and aMy, I found what I was thinking of: it was actually on Mansonblog Dec. 10, 2012, a recreation of a letter Bobby sent to one of Gary's family members.<br />The link is http://www.mansonblog.com/2012/12/letter-from-bobby-beausoliel.html<br />In the bottom paragraph he states that the idea that it was a drug burn was put into his head by others. I don't know if this is his current position.<br />Also, I noticed in his 2010 parole hearing there is a paragraph in which stated the reasons he had switched his story over the years. Of course at that hearing he was still sticking to the drug burn story.Mr. Humphrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02574243483977353223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-46208605279164183562015-03-13T09:45:43.206-04:002015-03-13T09:45:43.206-04:00Leary, I didn't know you were from here? Cool!...Leary, I didn't know you were from here? Cool! Happy SXSWing.....me, I'm not getting involved in that stew of tourists, even if they paid me. It's gotten way out of hand. Then, half the people that attend will then want to move here. They need to put a halt on all the loads of people moving here. AustinAnn74https://www.blogger.com/profile/06342503212454947554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-5801183388140607322015-03-13T09:40:40.439-04:002015-03-13T09:40:40.439-04:00That's strange if he did admit that, because h...That's strange if he did admit that, because he keeps sticking by that story again & again at parole hearings. Although, I think it's too late for him, at least at the hearing he'll have in the summer. AustinAnn74https://www.blogger.com/profile/06342503212454947554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-39270574552994893162015-03-12T21:02:36.293-04:002015-03-12T21:02:36.293-04:00No probs Humphrat! I'll have a good root aroun...No probs Humphrat! I'll have a good root around in the morning and hopefully track statement of his ; )aMyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13178623418931485976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-15512946935626874722015-03-12T20:32:34.945-04:002015-03-12T20:32:34.945-04:00Thanks aMy I thought it would be easier to find an...Thanks aMy I thought it would be easier to find and I assumed others had seen it too. I'm glad to know I'm not alone.Mr. Humphrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02574243483977353223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-88663216149945423622015-03-12T19:46:29.529-04:002015-03-12T19:46:29.529-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.aMyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13178623418931485976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-91943139328645595962015-03-12T13:45:22.410-04:002015-03-12T13:45:22.410-04:00Thanks, Humphrat! That would be great to read!!Thanks, Humphrat! That would be great to read!!AustinAnn74https://www.blogger.com/profile/06342503212454947554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-90735170050246529742015-03-12T11:37:28.391-04:002015-03-12T11:37:28.391-04:00Ann I have looked this morning and it's going ...Ann I have looked this morning and it's going to be hard to find but I definitely read it probably in the last year. I will try more later.Mr. Humphrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02574243483977353223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-42910616034896659052015-03-12T10:15:48.445-04:002015-03-12T10:15:48.445-04:00I"ll look for itI"ll look for itMr. Humphrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02574243483977353223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-33820426046329180232015-03-12T08:32:25.460-04:002015-03-12T08:32:25.460-04:00Mr. Humphrat, are you serious about that interview...Mr. Humphrat, are you serious about that interview he did admitting that? If you could let us know where you saw it, I would love to read it. AustinAnn74https://www.blogger.com/profile/06342503212454947554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8171370990642927748.post-10910428666039979982015-03-11T23:38:02.334-04:002015-03-11T23:38:02.334-04:00thanks Cielo.
Also re: things Beausoleil has said,...thanks Cielo.<br />Also re: things Beausoleil has said, there was an interview from recent times in which expressed regret for saying for so long Gary was a drug dealer, that it wasn't true and he had caused pain to his family by saying it. I can't remember if he said he had contacted them to apologize. So I don't know if this is a position he is settled on or has already gone back on it.Mr. Humphrathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02574243483977353223noreply@blogger.com